Posted on 04/19/2013 at 06:59:52  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  1

I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but thanks to a recent post by faith, I realized this may be the answer.. An actual thread for g4 to post all his erroneous teachings, propaganda, lies, manipulations and fantasies about things.

G4 please post your junk here and if there is something worth responding to that is actually based in fact and truth, we will respond. All other bland and false assertions will simply go in the "just ignore" portion of our brains.

Posted on 03/31/2013 at 05:00:06  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Made the Easter Vigil last night. Still my favorite mass, loaded with imagery and tradition. Hope everyone has a great day celebrating the Resurrection.

Posted on 11/10/2012 at 07:52:55  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  3

As with my last series of Questions which were posed to some of the non catholics here and were never answered, I am again offering a series of questions which I hope can at least muster up a reasonable response from some of the anti catholic people here like Con and G4.

Please guys, remember that ad hominem arguments don't prove a case. you can accuse me of anything and everything and it still will not prove you correct or me wrong. So please try to avoid the cop out responses and provide answers.

This first question has to do with the Bible

It is often asserted that catholics are not biblical or that they follow the pope instead of the bible. Some have claimed that you need to support every belief with the bible. And in all of this, we have a great many sects all claiming to have the right interpretation of the bible.

The issue here is about authority.. the church or the bible, or tradition and the bible. The classic understanding is that the bible is a part of our tradition and ultimately it is the church which must interpret it. In the ancient church which is apostolic, we have the pope and bishops who being led by the holy spirit "bind and loose" or determine what scripture is supposed to mean. It is in this manner and through many councils through the ages that all orthodox doctrine, including the canon of sacred scripture, was determined.

Skip forward to the reformation, and we see a sudden change in doctrine but not really a change in practice. Now the bible is said to be the ulitmate authority and there is no need for a pope or magisterium, and yet we see men like luther and calvin filling that role and explaining what scripture means to them and will be held by their followers.. note that the first reformers soon found fault among themselves and could not agree on what the bible meant even if they did agree that they only needed the bible alone.


This has filtered down to the modern sects who, still claiming the authority to privately interpret scripture, will criticize others who accept the interpretation of the ancient church. In fact a person with any amount of common sense will see this dilemma for what it is, a replacement papacy. "Don't listen to the pope, listen to me." is the result of such a flawed belief system and it is no wonder the amount of church splits which occur because of this...

Further even with this strange and fallacious belief it is not understood why so much of the infallible teaching of the church is still held by these people. Why accept the new testament canon if, as you claim the authority which made the claim, is false? why accept our christology or belief in the trinity?

A last question which has been asked many times and never answered is where does the bible explain the bible alone belief? If everything a person does must be explained in scripture then show me where the bible states this. And if it is stated why is most of the new testament an example of apostles teaching instead of christians just following sola scriptura.

So
Why do you accept the current canon of scriture? What scriptural proof supports the addition of the new testament? and Where does the bible teach Sola Scriptural.

Posted on 10/26/2012 at 05:53:13  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

In a recent post on why Catholics should pray the Our Father, one of the responses given by a non catholic was that "4]The canonical books written, aren't God inspired."

At first I was shocked to learn that a person professing to be a bible only or bible believing christian would make such a claim, but then I thought that maybe this is the one thing that makes sense of all the hypocrisy in the posters other responses.

Now, I do know that most of the other non catholics with which I have had the pleasure to dialogue with over the years would never make such a claim, which places the very canonicity of the Sacred Scriptures in question. But it seems that there are also many who, in their hatred of the true church will stop at nothing to try and debunk it. In the case of G4, he will even sacrifice the bible to do so.

Oh how sad to see that a person would stoop even that low to force their conspiracy and propaganda. But in the end it only demonstrates how untrustworthy and false this person is.

Let this be a warning to all. When you reject the truth you end up with only a pack of lies. G4 is a living testimony of this claim. His rejection of the ancient catholic faith which has been handed down from Jesus Christ, has in the end, left g4 with no choice but to believe a lie.

Posted on 10/24/2012 at 17:50:39  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  2

Since G4 couldn't give a valid reason for his claim and once again had to resort to silly ad hominem and repititions of that same vain accusation.... I thought it would be great to state some of the most obvious reasons why catholic should pray the our father.

1. Jesus said to, and gave this prayer as an example of how to pray.
2. It's a very simple prayer and avoids the pitfalls of pentacostal prayers which are basically self centered and selfish.
3. God is our Father, why wouldn't we pray to him?
4. No where is this prayer forbidden in scripture. As a matter of fact, the prayer is found in some of the last canonical books written. It would be strange to see these prayers inserted into the last inspired writing if they were rejected.
5. G4 doesn't want us to. This is actually a serious observation. After all G4 is so anti truth that all you need to do is flip anything he says around and you will probably find the truth.
6. The church has prayed this prayer for 2 millenia. Why would we stop now?
7. Not only should we pray it but it is even more beautiful when you pray it in tongues. Pater Noster.....
8. The prayer isn't only a prayer but it is also a sermon. In it's few short verses it says a thousand times more than any and everything g4 or evan have tried to shove down our throats.
9. The Holy Spirit leads me to pray it.
10. Sed libera nos a malo.

Posted on 09/22/2012 at 13:52:49  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

I had several experiences years ago at a pentacostal church and need a Scripture to back up what I saw happening. Because Pentacostals do claim to be a bible based church as opposed to the historical apostolic church I would like explanation for their practices.

This one has to do with a certain gift of prophecy. Scripture has many books attributed to prophets, and the gift is found in the Hebrew scriptures as well as the new testament. There are definitions of prophecy and rules that governed the use of prophecy, such as stoning a prophet whos prophecy did not come to pass.

In pentacostal churches, it is not uncommon to have a so called prophet come for a visit and at some point in the meeting begin to prophecy. But here is where it gets interesting. Instead of prophecying it looks more like fortune telling. Vague and lacking a solid accuracy, not to mention the test of time, like did God ever give Mr. And Mrs. Lunchbucket that baby girl the prophet told them they would have.

What I'm looking for is a scripture that supports this style of prophecty, the "personal" prophecy. And scripture that says its o.k. to be completely wrong about what was prophecied. Also what sort of investigation or testing is done to completion concerning prophecies to validate and make sure that the guy you just hosted is actually a prophet and not just some dweeb making a profit?

Posted on 09/22/2012 at 13:39:04  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  1

I had several experiences years ago at a pentacostal church and need a Scripture to back up what I saw happening. Because Pentacostals do claim to be a bible based church as opposed to the historical apostolic church I would like explanation for their practices.

This is the third question I have. Here it will actually apply to more people than just Pentecostals, but it has to do with the canon of scripture. As most people know already, the catholics and orthodox have a larger canon of scripture than the Protestants. Early protestant translations such as the KJV contained the larger canon but as new doctrines formed by reformers became popular, some books were easier to remove.

Anyway, what I would like a scripture for is to prove or disprove the removal or addition of a book in the canon. For instance, if everthing must be supported by scripture, please explain with scripture the removal of the apocrypha, the addition of the new testament, and as a bonus, explain why e book of Jude is in the canon, scripturally. What scriptures would those who formed canons used to support their canon.

If this cannot be demonstrated, then what alternative beside the catholic idea of sacred tradition, do you put forth to justify belief in the canon.

Note: we all believe God gave us the bible, and that it is not a mere invention of men. What I want to know is how can you scripturally know that the scriptures you believe in are actually the ones God gave us.

Posted on 09/22/2012 at 09:49:55  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

I had several experiences years ago at a pentacostal church and need a Scripture to back up what I saw happening. Because Pentacostals do claim to be a bible based church as opposed to the historical apostolic church I would like explanation for their practices.

The Second instalment in this series will focus on being slain in the spirit.

I have asked many times from every pentacostal that has ever been to spero and those without, to provide a scripture that uses such a term as "being slain in the spirit". One individual who couldn't provide the sciptural evidence tried to ask for biblical evidence for infant baptism. Clearly that person is only trying to hide the fact that their own claim of needing scriptural proof is not met by their own doctrines. Anyway I don't need beating around the bush here. I need a scripture verse that translates as "being slain in the spirit" and I would also like a scripture verse that describes an event at a gathering of the church where people walk to the front of the crown, have a minister approach them and lay on hands and repeatedly yell, make claims like "recieve", and nudge the person til they fall over and are caught by "catchers" behind them who will then place a towel over the person who is laying down on the grown so no one can see their bellies hangin out.

thanks.

Posted on 09/22/2012 at 09:40:25  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

I had several experiences years ago at a pentacostal church and need a Scripture to back up what I saw happening. Because Pentacostals do claim to be a bible based church as opposed to the historical apostolic church I would like explanation for their practices.

In this first thread of many, I would like to see a biblical verse which describes having a new member to the congregation come foreward to recieve the gift of tongues. The pastor will go up and lay hands on the person while babbling in a strange gibberish, and several or all of the congregation will sometimes also surround the newbie doing the same. Sometimes there will be intimidating remarks such as "your holding back" or "your missing out on what god has for you". But over all there will be a lot of babbling going on with absolutely no interpretation which can be substantiated.

Need a bible verse for that one. Thanks

Posted on 08/06/2012 at 17:46:31  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

I know that I've asked this on several occasions here before, but now I think it demands an actual thread..

What I want to know is how to prove a person is saved. It isn't worth the time going into whether they are always saved if it cannot even be proven that a person has been "once saved". So please provide the proof. Show me how I can tell that you are saved for real and not just faking it. How can I know that your not really a wolf in sheeps clothing? What proof you can offer that you won't just get bored and walk away from faith in a year or two?

If you cannot offer absolute proof of your salvation, then I will gladly point out that the catholic church has been right all along in it's approach to faith..