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| lacy-1 |
Posted - 12/25/2009 : 20:12:16
yep, i was wondering if you didn't to church, would you still go to heaven? lacy-1 |
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| michael |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 10:14:55
We are not saved as individuals but as part of Christ”s body. |
| rutomute |
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| lacy-1 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 12:37:13
 HHI Faith, You are right and i will go again, i really will, honest. I know you really do care about my eternal salvation and that their is good and bad in all kinds of people. Just today i finally had it with a person that has been tormenting me and telling every one about my childhood and it hurt me allot I did not give her permission to do these things, and to find out second hand is worst, so i blew up this morning and i better go for forgiveness to the Lord and i have confessed this to you also. I really did blow up and said a few things about her which made me just as bad. People judge you by what has happened to you in the past so i wing it. i don't let anyone know any more because i get judged and it was not my fault i was 11 years old. I almost hate her for this, it does hurt to know you were talked about behind your back and these people are catholic. And then i got had again by a catholic man and i really hurt because of hm, i did my best and gave what i could but he used me for gain right on the computer. What a jerk i feel like. lacy-1 |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 21:08:09
Lacy-1, it does not matter if the priest cares or not, it would be better if he did, but it doesn't. He is a servant to us and to Christ. He has a mandate to provide us with the sacraments. If he is a total jerk, and a complete and total misanthropic bastard, and an unrepentant sinner to boot - that affects him, not us.
If you truly believe that your priest is a jerk, think of him as one of those unruly servants that you keep around to get a particular job done. Your priest will stand before God just as we all will. But are you willing to throw away all the amazing gifts that Christ gave us to risk the deception that waits for those outside the Church?
Look around - how many people out there, well meaning and good intentioned, have used the Bible and come up with contradictory interpretations? Some of which may damage their immortal souls.
There are a large number of Christians who have never been baptized at all because their group believes that spiritual baptism is all that is left and that water baptism is a thing of the past. They may yet be saved, but it will be far more challenging that it needed to be.
The Body of Christ is His Sheep Fold. It is where His flock is protected. Outside of that Sheep Fold, we are fair game to the Evil One. |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 18:47:13
quote:
Originally posted by Theophilus
I don't know about Evan, but I'd sure like to know what was whispered in your ear! :-)
manipulation. "your missing what god has for you" "your fightin god" crap like that. what was funny was that some of the people that said those things were friends and should have known better. |
| lacy-1 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 15:12:10
quote:
Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Evangelist, the New Testament specifically states that we are to obey those who have rule over us. The New Testament specifically states that in matters of dispute we are to try to handle it peacably amongst ourselves (method is given) and if that does not work, to take it to the CHURCH as the final authority. The Bible clearly states that if any of us our sick we are to call the presbyters of our Church for healing, and spiritual healing with the forgiveness of sins is specifically mentioned.
The New Testament describes so much of how the Church is to be set up, and who does what, and how things should be, and yet you come along and tell us that you know "spiritual" people who might be just too much for us to handle?
A "spiritual" person who does not accept any authority other than his or her own, who refuses to follow the clear instructions in the Bible, and sits in judgement of others for not "raising the dead", is chasing the wrong spirit. And frankly is reprobate. A rebel with no use for Christ's Church because they prefer their own sweet yearnings and will follow who-ever or whatever preaches what they want to hear. That is not spiritual, that is delusional.
The Bible warns that there are spirits of error and it is the responsibility of the Church to keep Christ's flock safe from such false spirits.
 You can call then till the Cows come home they will not come to see if you are even alive and if they did come over here you would have had your funeral over and done with by then. I am telling you the truth and they can keep their old church, i am copping an attitude now because this priest does not care at all i know this, i truly know this!!! Hear me I know this to be a fact !!! He does not care!!!
lacy-1 Dam it! |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 12:35:07
Evangelist, the New Testament specifically states that we are to obey those who have rule over us. The New Testament specifically states that in matters of dispute we are to try to handle it peacably amongst ourselves (method is given) and if that does not work, to take it to the CHURCH as the final authority. The Bible clearly states that if any of us our sick we are to call the presbyters of our Church for healing, and spiritual healing with the forgiveness of sins is specifically mentioned.
The New Testament describes so much of how the Church is to be set up, and who does what, and how things should be, and yet you come along and tell us that you know "spiritual" people who might be just too much for us to handle?
A "spiritual" person who does not accept any authority other than his or her own, who refuses to follow the clear instructions in the Bible, and sits in judgement of others for not "raising the dead", is chasing the wrong spirit. And frankly is reprobate. A rebel with no use for Christ's Church because they prefer their own sweet yearnings and will follow who-ever or whatever preaches what they want to hear. That is not spiritual, that is delusional.
The Bible warns that there are spirits of error and it is the responsibility of the Church to keep Christ's flock safe from such false spirits. |
| Theophilus |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 11:58:31
I don't know about Evan, but I'd sure like to know what was whispered in your ear! :-) |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 05:59:11
oh i don't think that's the problem evan... remember i was a charismatic during the "anointing" fiasco... and i can tell some stories if you like... now you know how you like to use terms like alice in wonderland or magic... well this is where you should apply those terms because it actually does fit the heresy of "the anointing"
the old church understood all to be anointed... we are all confirmed/charismated... and didn't need to go to a rodney brown show to get the magic potion. further... we didn't need to pretent to be slain in the spirit, (which is one of those unbiblical things) to prove we actually were anointed, or pretend to be drunk in the spirit, or refer to the church as a bar, or pretend to have "holy laughter". i would say it's a lack of spiritual understanding that allowed so many charismatics and pentacostals to believe that crazy non sense. then there were the gold fillings, and personal prophecies, and all sorts of ear tickling going on, and everyone too afraid to question it, for fear of rejection... except me... the guy who refused to fall down. would you like to hear some of the things whispered in my ear during those altar calls? because i wanted god to cause me to fall and not some manipulative ****head pretending to have the holy spirit?
too deep and foolish indeed. i suggest hip waders. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 15:08:14
quote:
Originally posted by Patrick
This religious sounding gobbledygook gets soooo old, Evan.
There is NO definition that is common to any protestant/fundamentalist/evangelical (protfunlist) that knows what your terms even mean. Protfunlists use "Holy Spirit" to mean anything that they want, and the term "feel the anoiting" sounds like another man-made tradition designed to make one "feel" special. In other words, your version of Christianity sounds a lot like any cheap infomercial.
FYI, Evan. Christianity isn't a religion that people (like you and other protfunlists) just make up as you go along. You need to submit yourself to authority, otherwise you just blend in with the noise.
I know spiritual people are just to deep and maybe to foolish for you!
one love |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 01/10/2010 : 07:18:33
quote:
Mikejuli, i understand about celebrant's, OH! yes i do, but i think when you grow up God put man and woman together and that's why priests don't make out they are human and have feelings and they do react to them and then break their promise, that's worst then getting married.It was never stressed in the bible to be that way right from the beginning God made man and woman just except it! lacy-1
o.k. so being that there are more women then men, logically you must allow for polygamy. that is the only way to keep your plan consistent. if all are supposed to have sex, then all should have to be married and because there are not enough to couple all evenly, we should have multiple spouses, or what... allow gay marriage? you allowing modern concepts about sex and love to color an ancient discipline and faith. catholics don't have a problem with sex,,, they never did, but the discipline of celibacy is also a choice, a choice that some choose and they don't need people ridiculing them because they are virgins, or condemning them because some may have broken that vow. if sex is such a powerful force in you life, what will you do if your spouse ends up impotent? or paralyzed? will you then question your vows "in sickness and health"? if the whole point of life is sex then it's no surprise why so many marriages fall to pieces. they never knew real love was more than ejaculation. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 20:21:52
Lacy-1, a vow is a vow and my understanding is that far more people break the vow of marriage than the vow of celibacy, even by percentage.
And since breaking the vow of marriage by remarrying after divorce is just as serious as breaking the priestly vow, it might be a better chance for salvation for more people if they opted for celibacy. But of course, we must each answer our own calling.
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| lacy-1 |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 16:49:02
What Protestants have given- up? When did you hear this? Mikejuli, i understand about celebrant's, OH! yes i do, but i think when you grow up God put man and woman together and that's why priests don't make out they are human and have feelings and they do react to them and then break their promise, that's worst then getting married.It was never stressed in the bible to be that way right from the beginning God made man and woman just except it! lacy-1 |
| Astralis |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 13:12:43
Mike, nicely said.
The Catholic Church receives little love for sticking to Christian principles while Protestants have given up the fight on birth control. |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 01/09/2010 : 06:05:17
quote:
Originally posted by lacy-1
Mikejuli, you are saying by liscense, about marraige? That makes Marraige a dirty word saying this.
no, what i said was that celibacy was under attack by a society full of licence. meaning that people today don't even care about marriage, even many that do it's only all about the sex. marriage is a beautiful thing, i know first hand how wonderful this sacrament is... but the point i am making is that because people are so preoccupied with sex they cannot understand celibacy.... and so attack the idea.
quote:
Paul even said if your in heat go get married, you gunna say Paul is wrong to? I do not believe any of them are celibate, how would any of you ever know? do you have proof? Have you ever asked one? Have you herd of story's that they are not?
no i'm not disputing paul... who was unmarried, and also said that it was better to be unmarried if you were a minister and thought that marriage was the only pure way to have sexual relations... as for whether you believe any of them are celibate or not... well offer your proof and don't hide behind conspiracies lacy. you might as well say that you don't believe any married couples have remained pure but have all had affairs and then ask us to prove they haven't. i am sure there have been priests who have failed their vows but i think that it's probably not even remotely true that all of them have.
quote:
Well go figure! Why can't one come forward and tell the truth instead of buying people off like here in my state. They never went to court they just paid people to shut up, i am sorry if you cannot except this but the truth is what it rightfuly is weather you like it or not. Their are no people anywhere that are rightous, no not one, thus saith the Lord. Yes i do read my bible and believe all of it. lacy-1
that verse applies to you as well. we all know that and no one thinks that priests are above that claim... however that doesn't mean every priest has been an adulterer any more than you have. as for buying off people, i would bet that some of those people didn't mind being bought off. that's not an exuse for a priest sinning, especially if it were pederasty, but in all honesty a bigger problem than pederasty is greed. when people see an angle to sue and make their millions they take it. i see it all the time... if they were interested in justice then they wouldn't have asked for money but tried to reform the priest or have him removed...they would have dealt with the priest who sinned and not made the whole church pay.
anyway the issue here is celibacy... and non of this really changes the fact that celibacy is a beautiful discipline... my wife was in the hospital for several months with out second daughter and i practiced celibacy for that time. before i got married i practiced celibacy and was glad.. people would ask if we had sex yet and when i said no... they would then ask well how do you know she is good in bed.... well i wasn't concerned about a one night stand.. .i was looking for a wife, and a friend to share my life with... not just someone to f---. |
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