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| ChristianMomma |
Posted - 11/30/2011 : 17:25:51
I recently was shocked by a claim from a Catholic. They claimed that ALL are children are children of God. I can find several passages that talk about believers becoming a child of God but I realize that that means nothing if it is a Catholic teaching. I am asking just in case this person is deciding for themselves to place this title on everyone or if the Roman Catholic church teaches it. Knowing will save me some grief. Thank you in advance. |
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/25/2012 : 16:59:17
To answer your question very quickly, yes the Catholic Church teaches that the entire human race are all children of God.
Why? Because it is spiritually and literally true.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is online and it's indexed:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/index/a.htm
On the website the numbers are hot keys, press the number and it will take you to the paragraphs.
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Children of God
adopted, 1, 52, 270, 294, 422, 654, 1709, 2009
aids to living the life of, 736, 1568, 1813, 1831, 1996, 2157, 2650, 2766
childlike abandonment of, 305, 2830
Church, mother and home of, 808, 1186
connection and unity of, 706, 831, 845, 855, 959, 1097, 1108
dignity of the, 2736
filial boldness in prayer, 2610, 2777
filial conversion to the Father, 2608
God's actions with respect to His children, 104, 239, 305
prayer of, 2565, 2673, 2712, 2766
presence of the Holy Spirit in, 742, 2639
reborn in the sacraments, 1213, 1243, 1250, 1692
sacraments as a meeting of children of God with the Father, 1153
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| mikejuli |
Posted - 12/04/2011 : 05:21:52
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by mikejuli
g4
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Doesn't that sound just like catholic and the pope's porkies.
It sounded like the bible to me. I guess the pope and catholics are right in line with the word then. Thanks for agreeing. 
I am so glad that you agree that the catholics and the pope are of the devil.
You and doubt_at_large must be seeing the light, ALTHOUGH IT IS TO LATE FOR YOU, Remember, Heb 6, And Heb 10?.
your the one who stated that catholics and the pope are right in line with the word.. somethine me and faith have always stated. not sure why your now comparing the word to the devil g4 but i think if thats the case it's you that should be remembering heb 6 and 10. i have absolutely no reason to as i haven't walked away from anything except a tradition of men called pentacostalism. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 09:35:33
I saw that. That's funny.
Another example: He's back to the "you need two Scriptures to form a doctrine" argument which was debunked with Scripture. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 09:21:15
G4 reads what he wants. He said that the quote from Jesus Christ sounded Catholics and something the Pope would say and I agreed. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 08:34:42
Haha. Yeah, I hate that!
I was wondering what being slain in the spirit was, so I googled it.
So, Christ gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers and catchers? I wonder if Paul had one of those when he fell off his horse and had a seizure.
Not only are some of the Pentecostal teachings and practices not Biblical, but they seems pretty demonic to me. Snake handling and self-inflicting poisoning? What's up with that? Jesus said, "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 05:23:49
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Originally posted by acumenCry
I typed in-depth apologetics against your questions but lost them. Oh well, you've heard it all before.
I hate when that happens. I do that on my ipad all the time... accidentally hit something on the screen and zipp.. AHHHHH! However, I wouldn't worry about it with g4. Until he can provide information about being slain in the spirit, which is a doctrine formed by their tradition, there is no point worrying about his complaints about the beliefs of the ancient church. All he will do is hide behind inconsistencies by saying we have to be biblical only while he allows himself to go beyond the bible only. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 02:28:35
Answer me - Trinity - where did it come from? The Bible? Yes, the concept did; however. the term did not. Tertullian coined it while he was still a Catholic, so why do you still use it?
Every time you say "Trinity", you are confirming a Catholic TRADITION. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 02:22:34
I typed in-depth apologetics against your questions but lost them. Oh well, you've heard it all before. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:54:54
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by acumenCry
As for Catholic teachings not being in the Bible, how do you expect someone who believes in both Scripture and Tradition to prove certain arguments to someone who believes in the Bible alone? That's like making someone who has traveled the world prove certain things to you using only a copy of the atlas they have compiled.
Also, how do you expect to disprove them using a Bible which supports Scripture and Tradition (their teaching) and disproves Sola Scriptura (your teaching)?
If you can show me where certain Catholic teachings are directly condemned by the Word, that's a different story. I will find the context of what is written and judge accordingly. Each time you have tried this, you have been wrong. While you are at it, can you show me where the term "Trinity" is found in the Bible? No? Well, I can tell you a Catholic first coined it. You're welcome.
I do not fully agree with and/or understand everything the Church teaches, but what I am primarily concerned with is whether or not Christ is her foundation, not what is built on top of it.
The catholic teachings aren't in the Bible, Even Doubt_at_large has admited that.
And the catholic so-called tradition certainly isn't in the Bible.
THESE ARE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM.
Ypu give me one catholic doctrine, And Show me where it is in the Bible.
Pick one of these doctrines.
Salvation by infant water baptism.
Mary a co-redeemer.
Mary our intercesor.
Penance for forgiveness of sins.
Purgatory.
They will do for a start.
Remember, You have to give at least two scriptures that clearly state those doctrines.
Seriously? Did you even read my post? |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:52:14
I love you, man. I hope we will laugh together over our petty differences in heaven one day. That would be nice. |
| God4me |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:50:01
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Originally posted by acumenCry
As for Catholic teachings not being in the Bible, how do you expect someone who believes in both Scripture and Tradition to prove certain arguments to someone who believes in the Bible alone? That's like making someone who has traveled the world prove certain things to you using only a copy of the atlas they have compiled.
Also, how do you expect to disprove them using a Bible which supports Scripture and Tradition (their teaching) and disproves Sola Scriptura (your teaching)?
If you can show me where certain Catholic teachings are directly condemned by the Word, that's a different story. I will find the context of what is written and judge accordingly. Each time you have tried this, you have been wrong. While you are at it, can you show me where the term "Trinity" is found in the Bible? No? Well, I can tell you a Catholic first coined it. You're welcome.
I do not fully agree with and/or understand everything the Church teaches, but what I am primarily concerned with is whether or not Christ is her foundation, not what is built on top of it.
The catholic teachings aren't in the Bible, Even Doubt_at_large has admited that.
And the catholic so-called tradition certainly isn't in the Bible.
THESE ARE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T GET AWAY FROM.
Ypu give me one catholic doctrine, And Show me where it is in the Bible.
Pick one of these doctrines.
Salvation by infant water baptism.
Mary a co-redeemer.
Mary our intercesor.
Penance for forgiveness of sins.
Purgatory.
They will do for a start.
Remember, You have to give at least two scriptures that clearly state those doctrines.
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| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:45:17
Jesus had love. Sorry to burst your self-righteous, intolerant bubble... but you are not like him.
Oh, so you warned Evan? Well, I don't see you warning Catholics. Nope. You just cast them in hell like Satan on God's throne claiming to be God.
YOU wake up. |
| God4me |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:41:45
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Oh, I have it right, g4, and you know it. Stop telling lies.
I haven't made any claims pertaining to Catholic teachings on this thread, have I? I don't think so.
What I have argued is that we are commanded to love one another. I believe that without love, one's claim to be a folower of Christ is false. Your behavior proves you do not love Catholic people. If you did, then you would treat them as such.
I hate the teaching that once a person is saved, that person can not lose their salvation. As someone who is so against a license to sin, why do I never see you condemning Evangelist to hell for teaching it?
Since when has telling the truth been a lack of love??? WAKE UP MAN.
Jesus told the truth, He told people they were of the devil, He told them they were going to hell, Does that mean He had no love??.
I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO WAKE UP.
I havd told Evangelist AND WARNED HIM About the dangers of the so-called grace message. STOP TELLING LIES. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:41:19
No, g4. Wrong again... anyone with half a brain would use it!
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| God4me |
Posted - 12/03/2011 : 00:36:00
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
And how is it love to tell me I am a liar everytime I post something.
If someone thought I was mistaken or wrong, it would be appropriate and loving to say so. But to call me a liar, that is not love, that is hate.
You have told me that I am going to Hell on numerous occasions and said it with such glee and rejoicing that there is no possible way to mistake it for "love" of any kind.
No Christian rejoices at the thought of anyone going to Hell. And it is not our place to even make such a judgment. That belongs to God alone.
We are to warn our brethren when they are in danger of Hell, but that is not the same thing as condemning them to Hell.
Good job that Jesus does not do things your way.
[1]There is a big difference between being mistaken and telling blatant lies like you do.
[2]When I say your going to hell, I tell the truth, DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL LIES LIKE YOU DO??.
I take you joy in telling you that you are going to hell, I say with the hope that you would come to your senses and leave the evil catholic church and go where the truth is taught.
If Jesus was here, He would tell you that you are children of the devil and are going to Hell, Does that mean He has no love?? WAKE UP.
You have admited that the catholic teachings aren't in the Bible, And that you believe the catholic church has more authority then the Bible does.
Anyone with half a brain would leave the catholic church knowing what you know about them. |
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