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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/23/2012 : 14:50:53
Does God ---- Do unto others?
There are many instances in scriptures where God does not follow the golden rule.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
In the sacrifice of Jesus, God demanded that Jesus bear the sins of the wicked who will repent.
This is hardly doing unto others or following the advice of scriptures.
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Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking): Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Hell can hardly be called a good thing. This again is hardly Jesus doing unto others or following the advice of scriptures.
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Does the God you know follow the golden rule?
How can he be doing so when a good God would find a good and moral way to convert instead the draconian methods he seems to use that go against the golden rule and his own good advice in his scriptures?
Regards
DL
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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/28/2012 : 07:57:32
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
And given that homosexuality is one of the more easily treated conditions, this is a very sad joke on humanity.
I now know more people who have successfully overcome homosexuality than people who remain in that condition.
What can I say to your lies.
Show the stats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related
Regards
DL |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 13:04:24
And given that homosexuality is one of the more easily treated conditions, this is a very sad joke on humanity.
I now know more people who have successfully overcome homosexuality than people who remain in that condition. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 13:02:48
GIAM2, marriage was never about sexual preference. Even in ancient cultures where homosexuality and other orientations were embraced and practiced without limit, everyone understood that if they wanted to get married and have a family, they had to find a partner of the opposite sex.
Love was never primary in marriage, although it is good for marriage. The idea that "love" must the primary aspect of marriage is part of what is destroying the institution.
Currently we are in a ridiculous situation. Because someone with knowledge of the law but zero understanding of biology and psychology has succeeded in legalizing "gay" marriage in many places and establishing this as a "right", we have a huge problem.
When "sexual orientation" (those exact words) are used to establish rights in our society to the level of being a human right, we have automatically established that this right belongs to every one of dozens of different sexual orientations.
Homosexuality is just one of many sexual orientations that have now been granted the right to marry according to their sexual preference.
One would hope that common sense would find a way rule many of them out before they try to test the law; however, past historical experience has shown that there is no level of depravity that won't be embraced by a culture if it is allowed to fester. |
| Theophilus |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 12:50:36
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Religion is supposed to be all about love;
False premise. In a sense, Religion is about love, but that's not all it is about. It is about truth--aligning ourselves with objective moral truth about the nature of God, the nature of man, and our destiny.
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and here you are, denying people the right to seek out loving partners and enjoying each others physical and sexual company. That same closeness that we all have a right to.
What we deny is the misuse of the sexual gift. Again, aligning ourselves to objective moral truths, we believe, objectively speaking, that the sexual gift is not about simply enjoying another's sexual company. It is about being both unitive and open to life, and this requires the biological complementarity of heterosexual couples within the context of marriage.
ANYTHING that violates that is considered objectively disordered. That's why we believe homosexual acts to be morally wrong--it is impossible for them, under any circumstances, to be open to life. That's why we believe IVF to be morally wrong--it is open to life, but not via the sexual gift. That's why we believe contraception is morally wrong--it is not open to life, though it is still, in a manner of speaking, unitive. That's why we believe masturbation to be morally wrong--it is neither unitive nor procreative. That's why we believe premarital sex and adultery to be wrong--they aren't within the context of marriage.
Can you not see how all of this proceeds from a first premise, and they all logically flow from it? That's why these things won't change within the Church.
We believe ALL of these things to be disordered uses of the sexual gift, because our religion is about aligning ourselves with what God has told us via Scripture and His Church. Of course you know that, because the only way you can try to convince us to accept your lifestyle is to try to convince us that our God doesn't exist or that He is wrong. Won't work.
True love isn't about letting another person do whatever they want, regardless of whether we believe it to be morally wrong. True love is about wanting what is truly best for the person, and that may not always be what that person wants for himself. I do not love my neighbor if I enable or encourage him to act self-destructively or sinfully. True love is calling him to something higher, even if it is difficult.
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You don't get it and likely will not thanks to your pathetic dogma and homophobia.
I am done with you here.
Funny thing is, you don't need my permission, bwellmysoul's, or anyone else's to do what you want. Why do you even care that we disagree with your lifestyle choices? Why do you seek external validation? Perhaps it's because somewhere deep down you are searching for something different. Perhaps somewhere your conscience is prompting you to reconsider the life you are living, and the bitterness with which you approach Christians belies a conflict in your soul.
In any event, you are in my prayers.
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 11:37:54
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Originally posted by Greatest I am 2
Religion is supposed to be all about love; and here you are, denying people the right to seek out loving partners and enjoying each others physical and sexual company. That same closeness that we all have a right to.
I'm sorry I offended you. Religion teaches us about who the Trinity is.
He created us so that we can learn to know His will for us and He hopes that we will reciprocate with our love back to Him, and become His lover.
We all learn how to love - ourselves, God and one another. The first step toward that process is learning about chaste agape love.
You don't get it and likely will not thanks to your pathetic dogma and homophobia.
The Catholic Church is not denying same sex attracted persons of loving relationships with other people. The practice of chastity ensures the building of close chaste relationships (with application toward how we "see" and how we treat men and women).
The practice of chastity brings "wholeness" to a person's heart, mind and soul. And it heals many wounds.
I am done with you here.
That's unfortuneate, but understandable.
Regards
DL
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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 11:15:04
Religion is supposed to be all about love; and here you are, denying people the right to seek out loving partners and enjoying each others physical and sexual company. That same closeness that we all have a right to.
You don't get it and likely will not thanks to your pathetic dogma and homophobia.
I am done with you here.
Regards
DL
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 10:37:21
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Originally posted by Greatest I am 2
God cannot die and does not accept bribes. Even those that you think he set.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs
Are your comments directed at me?
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As to your homophobia. You might want to hear what a good heart has to say to her bishop.
Again I ask you, what is a homophobic person, in your opinion?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/08/minnesota.catholic.gay.marriage/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29
Catholics oppose the normalization of homosexual acts. Marriage in the Catholic Church is the union of one man and one woman with the understanding that God has asked them to "be fruitful and multiply".
Homosexual acts are unnatural in that are incapable of either being fruitful or of multiplying.
Many people in the Catholic Church are asked to practice chastity:
Religious (priests, nuns, sisters, brothers, Bishops, Popes)
Young unmarried persons
Young couples seeking marriage
Divorced people
Widowed people
Single unmarried people
Same sex attracted people
Married couples practicing Natural Family Planning
All Catholics are to practice chastity with their own bodies (because we each are temples of the Holy Spirit)
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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 10:02:23
God cannot die and does not accept bribes. Even those that you think he set.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs
As to your homophobia. You might want to hear what a good heart has to say to her bishop.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/08/minnesota.catholic.gay.marriage/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29
Regards
DL |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 08:22:31
DL,
Are you questioning God the Father (Old Testament) due to the destruction of the homosexual community at Sodom and at Gomorrah?
God blesses all of His children. But He died so that we would not be left alone in our sins.
Same sex attraction isn't a sin, but homosexual acts are sinful and God does not bless those acts. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 08:15:08
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Apostles.
How can you give them authority when you do not even know who they were or what they stood for?
As to Gays and your own homophobia.
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
Regards
DL
DL,
You question the Apostles and yet take as fact that this iconic art (as revisioned by persons in our generation) to somehow prove that homosexual acts were blessed by Jesus?
What is your definition of homophobia?
I sympathize with all people who are same sex attracted and find it difficult to practice chastity in their relationships.
The group Courage assists same sex attracted persons to deal with that challenge in their relationships. They also assist same sex attracted persons to find freedom from the pain they experience in past relationships.
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| mikejuli |
Posted - 01/27/2012 : 04:22:08
i think dl is that classic case of a person who wont stand for something, and ends up falling for anything.
a youtube babe. |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 17:50:25
Apostles.
How can you give them authority when you do not even know who they were or what they stood for?
As to Gays and your own homophobia.
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
Regards
DL |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 14:50:27
As I stated in another thread, Christ's Church was built on 3 pillars:
Sacred Scripture
Sacred Tradition of the Apostles
Magisterium (papal authority and bishops)
Sacred Tradition of the Apostles can not oppose Sacred Scripture. The Magisterium can not oppose either Sacred Tradition of the Apostles or Sacred Scripture.
Women in the Catholic Church can not be priests. Why? Because there were neither female Jewish priests, Jesus didn't have a female Apostle, nor did the Apostles ordain a woman to the priesthood.
Homosexual sex is a mortal sin in Christ's Church. Why? Because it was a mortal sin in Sacred Scripture, Jesus didn't change that law and therefore the Apostles couldn't either.
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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 14:37:53
I do not care what the early church thought of the O T.
It is a fact that the church today uses it to maintain their suppression of women and Gays.
If the church did not want it in the cannon, then they could have purged it out any time past 360 ce.
Fact is, the N T refers to it and it's laws and therefore endorse it in that way.
Regards
DL
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 01/26/2012 : 14:29:58
DL,
Are you aware of an Early Church heresy called Marcionism:
"Marcionism (2nd Century)
This heresy rejected the entire Old Testament and taught that Christianity was something that was completely distinct from Judaism.
Marcionites had no love for the God of the Old Testament and they followed their leader’s cue by rejecting all Gospels but the Gospel of Luke, and even this Gospel had been redacted to omit any connection to Judaism.
Marcionites believed that the God of the Old Testament was a God of Wrath and judgment who could not be reconciled with the God of mercy described in the New Testament.
Leader(s) in the Heresy:
Marcion of Sinope at Rome (110 – 160AD)
Corrector(s) of the Heresy:
Tertullian wrote a five-book treatise against the heresy called, “Adversus Marcionem” "
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