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| baby3 |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 16:27:59
 PLEASE I WANT EVERYONE TO HELP WITH THIS THREAD. FOR THE SAKE OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO ARE SICK AND BLIND AND SCARED THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN BECAUSE SOMEONE PUT IT IN THEIR HEADS THEY WERE SICK BECAUSE OF THEIR SINS.THIS IS FANATICAL AN D IN VERY POOR TASTE. HOW CAN YOU BRING ANYONE TO THE LORD IF YOU SHUN THEM AND DON'T PRAY FOR THEM IF THEY ARE SICK AND ALL YOU DO IS CONDEM A SOUL THAT IS FAILING AND NEEDS COMFORT IN PASSING INTO THE AFTER LIFE???WHO CAN GO TO A PERSON THAT HAS THEIR ANSWERS FOR THEIR PROBLEMS ALL WRAPPED UP IN THEIR SIN? |
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| God4me |
Posted - 03/23/2012 : 11:54:44
quote:
Originally posted by kepha
quote:
But sickness is against the christian gospel!
Jesus called Peter Satan, not because of his teaching, but because he didn't understand. Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to suffer and die. Look what Jesus says:
Matthew 16
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, "he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." Jesus defines discipleship as one's willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings (and our joys) to the Father as He did.
Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.
Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, "whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple." If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.
John 12:24 - unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.
Rom. 5:2-3 - Paul says that more than rejoicing in our hope, we rejoice in our sufferings which produces endurance, character and hope. Through faith, suffering brings about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation.
Rom. 8:17 - Paul says that we are heirs with Christ, but only if we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Paul is teaching that suffering must be embraced in order to obtain the glory that the Father has bestowed upon Jesus.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ's sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord's suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
Some Protestants sadly ignore the BIBLE and redemptive suffering. I have been in churches where the unhealed are treated as unclean. They are second class Christians, sitting at the back or they stop coming all together, because "they have no faith". Catholics have the opportunity to join their sufferings with Christ. When we pick up our cross as Jesus tells us to the suffering becomes tolerable. Healing is a different topic. Most of us believe in healing, that is not the topic of discussion.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/suffering.html
You said.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ's sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord's suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
[End quote].
That is a catholic lie.
Pauls was talking about his suffering as a Christian and Minister for the Christians sake..Se Col 1: 23--29. And keep it in it's right context... Can't you see how evil the catholics are???. |
| God4me |
Posted - 03/23/2012 : 11:46:44
quote:
Originally posted by kepha
quote:
But sickness is against the christian gospel!
Jesus called Peter Satan, not because of his teaching, but because he didn't understand. Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to suffer and die. Look what Jesus says:
Matthew 16
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, "he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." Jesus defines discipleship as one's willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings (and our joys) to the Father as He did.
Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.
Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, "whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple." If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.
John 12:24 - unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.
Rom. 5:2-3 - Paul says that more than rejoicing in our hope, we rejoice in our sufferings which produces endurance, character and hope. Through faith, suffering brings about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation.
Rom. 8:17 - Paul says that we are heirs with Christ, but only if we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Paul is teaching that suffering must be embraced in order to obtain the glory that the Father has bestowed upon Jesus.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ's sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord's suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
Some Protestants sadly ignore the BIBLE and redemptive suffering. I have been in churches where the unhealed are treated as unclean. They are second class Christians, sitting at the back or they stop coming all together, because "they have no faith". Catholics have the opportunity to join their sufferings with Christ. When we pick up our cross as Jesus tells us to the suffering becomes tolerable. Healing is a different topic. Most of us believe in healing, that is not the topic of discussion.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/suffering.html
The suffering has nothing to do with sickness or self afficted punishmen as in penance.
It is that we will be persecuted.
Taking up our cross is a great joy, Because the more you live for Jesus the more of His joy you have.
You make serving Jesus sound like a hard thing to do. |
| kepha |
Posted - 03/23/2012 : 04:04:20
God's Image In the Mentally Ill Person
Cardinal Lozano Barragán's Address at World Day of the Sick
ADELAIDE, Australia, FEB. 18, 2006 Here is an excerpt of an address Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragán, president of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Workers, prepared for World Day of the Sick. The main events of the World Day were held Feb. 9-11 in Adelaide.
http://www.penitents.org/mentalillness.htm |
| kepha |
Posted - 03/23/2012 : 03:57:03
quote:
But sickness is against the christian gospel!
Jesus called Peter Satan, not because of his teaching, but because he didn't understand. Peter did not want Jesus to go to Jerusalem to suffer and die. Look what Jesus says:
Matthew 16
24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. 25“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.
Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, "he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me." Jesus defines discipleship as one's willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings (and our joys) to the Father as He did.
Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.
Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, "whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple." If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.
John 12:24 - unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone and bears no fruit. Jesus is teaching that suffering and death are part of every human life, and it is only through suffering and death that we obtain the glory of resurrection.
Rom. 5:2-3 - Paul says that more than rejoicing in our hope, we rejoice in our sufferings which produces endurance, character and hope. Through faith, suffering brings about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation.
Rom. 8:17 - Paul says that we are heirs with Christ, but only if we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Paul is teaching that suffering must be embraced in order to obtain the glory that the Father has bestowed upon Jesus.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ's sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord's suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
Some Protestants sadly ignore the BIBLE and redemptive suffering. I have been in churches where the unhealed are treated as unclean. They are second class Christians, sitting at the back or they stop coming all together, because "they have no faith". Catholics have the opportunity to join their sufferings with Christ. When we pick up our cross as Jesus tells us to the suffering becomes tolerable. Healing is a different topic. Most of us believe in healing, that is not the topic of discussion.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/suffering.html
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| God4me |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 11:22:00
quote:
Originally posted by baby3
quote:
Originally posted by mikejuli
prove it. show that no christians got sick in the new testament.. if they did, show that they were ridiculed by faith healers for not having enough faith to be healed. also explain how much faith a person needs. because frankly if a person has enough faith to go forward and be prayed for by a claimed healer and then doesn't get healed, i'm gonna blame it on the healer and not the person. i just don't see jesus not healing someone in that case, but that is always how it happens. and the healer person will always blame the sick instead of their false teachings. thats because they are greedy heretics.
Poor Paul's eyes were never healed and Tim had digestion problems even though Doctor Luke was there these people were still in their sick states.It keeps you humble and it also gives others a more prayerful life and insight to as why they are not as sick and for them to be very thankful they are not sick.B3
[1]Who said Paul had bad eyes???.
[2]Who said Timothy didn't get healed??.
[3]Wh said sickness keeps you humble??.
You have your religious glasses on.
And I thought you were more knowledgeable the the man made catholics. |
| baby3 |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 18:17:16
A Woman of a Giving Heart
by Kathryn Capoccia
Young Adults Sunday School Class
All Scripture references are taken from the HOLY BIBLE: NEW
INTERNATIONAL VERSION (C) 1978 by the New York Bible Society, used by
permission of Zondervan Bible Publishers.
© Copyright Kathy Capoccia 2000. This file may be freely copied, printed out,
and distributed as long as copyright and source statements remain intact,
and that it is not sold.
I. Introduction
A. Prayer Requests
B. Review of Last Week's Lesson/Verse
II. Character Profile: Dorcas, A Woman of a Giving Heart
A. WHO WAS SHE? (ACT 9:36-43)
"In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when
translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the
poor. About that time she became sick and died, and her body was
washed and placed in an upstairs room. Lydda was near Joppa; so when
the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to
him and urged him, 'Please come at once!' Peter went with them, and
when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows
stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other
clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter
sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and
prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, 'Tabitha, get up.'
She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the
hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and
the widows and presented her to them alive. This became known all
over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord."
1. WHERE DID SHE LIVE? In Joppa
a) A seaport 35 miles NW of Jerusalem on the Mediterranean Sea:
the only natural harbor in Israel between Egypt and Ptolemais.
b) It had been in the possession of Egypt until 197 BC, then
Greece tit 63 BC, then Rome- in 47 BC Julius Caesar returned
it to the Jews, but in 37 BC Herod the Great captured it
again.
c) It was one of the earliest cities to have a Christian
population. Philip, the evangelist, had preached the Gospel to
all the cities along the Mediterranean Sea from Ashdod
(Azotus) to Caesarea, which included Joppa. His message of
forgiveness recognized Gentile believers as equals with Jewish
believers (see Acts ch. 8), and since he had been a deacon in
the Jerusalem Church concerned with the care of the poor and
widows, he undoubtedly preached this concern as well.
2. WHAT WAS HER NAME? Her name was Tabitha, in Hebrew, or Dorcas, in
Greek. Both words mean "gazelle".
3. WAS SHE A BELIEVER? She is called "a disciple".
a) Mathetes = one who receives instruction, a learner
b) She was a follower of Christ and a member of the church at
Joppa (ACT 9:38).
B. WHAT DID SHE DO?
1. SHE DID "GOOD WORKS"-A BENEFACTRESS
a) She was always doing good - "always" means "full"; from a word
meaning to swell from a burn, i.e. bursting: she was bursting
with deeds that were generous and stemmed from feelings of
pity.
b) She helped the poor (ACT 9:36)
c) She sewed clothes (ACT 9:39)
1) robes=chiton or tunic
*A tunic was the inner garment of clothing, worn next to
the skin. Sewing was a difficult process; first the
material had to be made (or purchased, if one had the
money) then it had to be stitched together - all of which
had to be done laboriously by hand. The whole endeavor was
slow and tedious.
2) other clothing=himation or outer garment, a mantle, cloak
*Cloaks were difficult to make because they were made by
hand. They were made from animal skins, goat or camel hair,
or wool. If the cloak was made of animal hair the hairs had
to be spun into thread or yarn and then woven into cloth.
This cloth would have to be sown together by hand to form
the cloak. Because they took so long to make they were
considered to be valuable and a gift of one was an honor.
d) She helped widows (ACT 9:39)
*This continual service to the needy not only speaks of a
giving heart but of opportunity to do something about her
desire to help: she must have been a woman of some means or
she would not have been able to give so much, and she must
have had some sort of income or her time would have been spent
in making a living, not in helping others.
2. SHE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD
a) She died
1) she suffered an illness that resulted in her death (ACT
9:37)
ACT 9:37 "About that time she became sick and died."
2) her body was prepared for burial (ACT 9:37)
ACT 9:37 "About that time she became sick and died, and
her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room."
3) her friends mourned her death (ACT 9:39)
ACT 9:39 "All the widows stood around him [Peter]
crying..."
b) She was raised to life
1) the disciples sent for Peter
a] they had heard that he was nearby (ACT 9:38)
ACT 9:38 "Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples
heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him
and urged him, 'Please come at once!'"
b] they knew that God used him to perform miracles (ACT
9:32-35)
ACT 9:33-35 "There he found a man named Aeneas, a
paralytic who had been bedridden for eight years.
'Aeneas,' Peter said to him, 'Jesus Christ heals you.
Get up and take care of your mat.' Immediately Aeneas
got up. All those who lived in Lydda and Sharon saw him
and turned to the Lord."
2) Peter came and prayed for her (ACT 9:40)
ACT 9:39,40 "Peter went with them, and when he arrived he
was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around
him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing
that Dorcas had made while she was still with them. Peter
sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his
knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said,
'Tabitha, get up.' She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter
she sat up."
*Peter had witnessed several resuscitations before: the
widow's son at Nain, Jarius's daughter, Lazarus, and even
the Lord Himself, so he had the faith to believe that she
could come back if the LORD willed it.
3) Peter presented her to the disciples alive (ACT 9:41)
ACT 9:41 "He took her by the hand and helped her to her
feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and
presented her to them alive."
3. SHE WAS THE CAUSE OF AN EVANGELISTIC EXPLOSION
ACT 9:42 "This became known all over Joppa, and many people
believed in the Lord."
*Like Aeneas in Lydda, the Lord chose to use Dorcas to display
His power and cause many to come to faith. In the New Testament
we see miracles occurring when God wants to authenticate the
message of salvation- in Joppa we see Him using Dorcas to show
the world His truth about who He is, the All powerful One who
controls life.
4. HER EXAMPLE GENERATED A CHARITABLE SOCIETY-THE DORCAS SOCIETY
dedicated to doing acts of charitable service.
C. WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM HER?
1. God requires believers to do good to others, especially the poor
and widows.
GAL 6:10 "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to
all people, especially to those who belong to the family of
believers."
JAM 1:27 " Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and
faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their
distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
1TI 6:18 "Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and
to be generous and willing to share."
2. Our good works testify about our faith: they prove that we are
believers.
JAM 2:26 "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith
without deeds is dead."
3. God will use our good works to not only benefit others but to
bring glory to Himself.
MAT 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men,
that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in
heaven."
4. God can use our lives to draw men toward salvation.
III. What fruits of the Spirit can we see in her?
A. love
B. kindness
C. goodness
IV. Memory Verse: 1JO 3:18 "Dear children, let us not love with words or
tongue but with actions and in truth."
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| baby3 |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 18:07:22
quote:
Originally posted by mikejuli
prove it. show that no christians got sick in the new testament.. if they did, show that they were ridiculed by faith healers for not having enough faith to be healed. also explain how much faith a person needs. because frankly if a person has enough faith to go forward and be prayed for by a claimed healer and then doesn't get healed, i'm gonna blame it on the healer and not the person. i just don't see jesus not healing someone in that case, but that is always how it happens. and the healer person will always blame the sick instead of their false teachings. thats because they are greedy heretics.
Poor Paul's eyes were never healed and Tim had digestion problems even though Doctor Luke was there these people were still in their sick states.It keeps you humble and it also gives others a more prayerful life and insight to as why they are not as sick and for them to be very thankful they are not sick.B3 |
| God4me |
Posted - 03/01/2012 : 00:45:23
quote:
Originally posted by mikejuli
quote:
Either you are telling lies, Or Jesus is, But knowing your past record, I know it is you who is telling porkies.YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
nope.. not me or Jesus.. it's you dude... and you know it.
quote:
If a person knows what the Bible says about healing, And they are living right, And they have the faith to be healed, GUESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN??,TYHEY WILL GET HEALED....FACT.
not true. i have known too many pentacostals who were sick and were living much better lives than you.. at least they weren't whiney lying manipulative frauds like you...
[1]You said,
nope.. not me or Jesus.. it's you dude... and you know it.
There you go again..telling lies.
[2]How do you know what kinf of life I live??.
All you know about me is, I tell the truth from the Bible.
[3]You don't know one person who knew the Bible,was living right and had faith to be healed, Yet they weren't.
Either you are lying or God is.
But going by you past record, I know it is you, As God cannot lie. |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 12:23:03
quote:
Either you are telling lies, Or Jesus is, But knowing your past record, I know it is you who is telling porkies.YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
nope.. not me or Jesus.. it's you dude... and you know it.
quote:
If a person knows what the Bible says about healing, And they are living right, And they have the faith to be healed, GUESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN??,TYHEY WILL GET HEALED....FACT.
not true. i have known too many pentacostals who were sick and were living much better lives than you.. at least they weren't whiney lying manipulative frauds like you...
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| God4me |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 11:17:59
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
quote:
Why do you have to tell lies??? OH yes, Because you are a catholic, THEY TELL LIES, Ask missed heaven mike and Doubt_at_)large, They tell lies as well.
[2]The Human body does die, But God's plan is for them to die of old age, Not sicknesses.
We're all tired of your rudeness and the inappropriate ways in which you address other people. Children have more respect and common decency toward others.
I'm reporting your intolerant speech.
You big cry baby. |
| God4me |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 11:16:33
quote:
Originally posted by mikejuli
prove it. show that no christians got sick in the new testament.. if they did, show that they were ridiculed by faith healers for not having enough faith to be healed. also explain how much faith a person needs. because frankly if a person has enough faith to go forward and be prayed for by a claimed healer and then doesn't get healed, i'm gonna blame it on the healer and not the person. i just don't see jesus not healing someone in that case, but that is always how it happens. and the healer person will always blame the sick instead of their false teachings. thats because they are greedy heretics.
Either you are telling lies, Or Jesus is, But knowing your past record, I know it is you who is telling porkies.YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
If a person knows what the Bible says about healing, And they are living right, And they have the faith to be healed, GUESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN??,TYHEY WILL GET HEALED....FACT. |
| God4me |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 11:10:55
quote:
Originally posted by michael
In 1 Cor 11:29-30 People became weak & ill & some even died for not discerning the body & blood of the Lord when they ate & drank
1 Cor 11:29-30
[29] For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.
[30] That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
As I said, Ingnorance is one reason why people get sick,
YOU HAVE JUST PROVED MY POINT. |
| michael |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 09:45:22
In 1 Cor 11:29-30 People became weak & ill & some even died for not discerning the body & blood of the Lord when they ate & drank
1 Cor 11:29-30
[29] For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.
[30] That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 08:31:46
quote:
Why do you have to tell lies??? OH yes, Because you are a catholic, THEY TELL LIES, Ask missed heaven mike and Doubt_at_)large, They tell lies as well.
[2]The Human body does die, But God's plan is for them to die of old age, Not sicknesses.
We're all tired of your rudeness and the inappropriate ways in which you address other people. Children have more respect and common decency toward others.
I'm reporting your intolerant speech. |
| God4me |
Posted - 02/29/2012 : 01:05:15
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Sicknesses are not created by our lack of connection to Christ Jesus. By say, our lack of faith.
However, we can introduce our bodies to disease through acts that are sinful.
Venereal disease, HIV/AIDS does spread through unchastity.
Originally posted by God4me
Sicknesses can be because of lack of faith.
Lack of faith is one of the Failers to receive healing.
Lack of faith decreases the function of a person's soul.
Lack of faith doesn't cause disease.
Nor is a person's disease left uncured due to their lack of faith. (Only a buzzard of a faith healer would say such a thing).
We're human, our body's die.
[1]You said,
Lack of faith doesn't cause disease.
Nor is a person's disease left uncured due to their lack of faith. (Only a buzzard of a faith healer would say such a thing).
Why do you have to tell lies??? OH yes, Because you are a catholic, THEY TELL LIES, Ask missed heaven mike and Doubt_at_)large, They tell lies as well.
[2]The Human body does die, But God's plan is for them to die of old age, Not sicknesses. |
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