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| baby3 |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 09:51:35
 Hi I wish different beliefs would come for this one as I hear very different thoughts as to what happens.What is the way you learned and what do you believe? Thank You! Blessings and Peace!B3
PS Try if you could to prove this with scripture.Thanks:) |
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 17:23:36
Did Jesus not breath on His Apostles and give them the authority to forgive or retain sins? |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 12:20:09
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Jesus is not in Hell. He paid for our sins, but if we return to our sins, we will end up in Hell. This is true for all born again Christians.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Not just Pentecostals.
To go to Heaven, we must repent of our sins. The Bible says this. No more goats or bulls to be sacrificed. The once for all sacrifice replaces all that. But we still need to repent and be reconciled to Christ.
There is a "Repenting of sins" The Biblical way, And there is a,"Repenting of sins" the catholic way.
They catholic way leads to hell.
The Biblical way is repent and confess your sins TO GOD, And He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, And cleans us from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNES.
The catholic way is, NO..NO...The Bible isn't true, We shouldn't just repent and confess to God, We have to confess to a priest, Then do penance.
We [catholics] do this because we don't believe the Bible's way, And we don't believe that Jesus's sacrifice, shed blood and death, Is good enough, So we have to do our part. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 09:19:51
Jesus is not in Hell. He paid for our sins, but if we return to our sins, we will end up in Hell. This is true for all born again Christians.
Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Not just Pentecostals.
To go to Heaven, we must repent of our sins. The Bible says this. No more goats or bulls to be sacrificed. The once for all sacrifice replaces all that. But we still need to repent and be reconciled to Christ. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 22:51:20
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I would also point out that God is outside of time as we know it. When we die, we are no longer in this temporal realm. We face judgment right away, and know at that moment where we are going - Heaven or Hell.
The Final Four, Eschatology, Death Judgment Heaven Hell.
That simple.
Now consider that while we each have a personal judgment that we face at the moment of our death. There is a final Judgment on Jugdment Day. This is not our personal judgment, but the final public judgment. Nothing changes in terms of our individual fate, but here we see the end results of everything we did and how it affected others.
catholics, Along with other sinners will go to hell awaiting judgment day, Then they will be cast into the lake of fire.
But Jesus has already taken judgment for the Christian, And we go streight to heaven. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 22:47:35
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Originally posted by baby3
You mean their minds were effected by the sins they did? I thought that hell didn't come into the picture till the judgement seat of Christ that is the second death.Also if your body is not with you how can you suffer?You no longer have a body to suffer??B3
Sinners go streight to hell,[Hades] when they die, Until judgment day, They they are cast into hell,[Gehenna]which is the lake of fire. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 22:44:14
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
The pain of Hell and even of Purgatory is not so much physical pain but the absense of God. The absense of love.
This is something that affects us in our spirit, our very soul.
Acording to Jesus,The pain in hell is more then the absense of God and love, Lk 16: 23-25. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 22:35:26
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Sheol and Hades are not Gehenna, Hell. They are the Place of the Dead in two different languages.
It can get confusing as the English word "Hell" did not always mean the place of punishment that it does now. It too was a place where dead went.
This place can include the place of the damned, but not necessarily.
But otherwise, yes. It is appointed for a man to die once and then the judgement.
Our fleshly body dies, but our spirit does not, as G4 indicated. Our spirit is judged and at the Resurrection, all will be reunited with our bodies. Some to eternal life in Heaven and others to eternal damnation.
Between now and the Resurrection, some who are saved will experience a purging of any residual stain of sin before entering Heaven. Their sins would have already been forgiven before their death, but the effects of sin may remain. Revelation makes mention of some soiling their garments.
1)Sheol and hades aren't gehenna, I never said they were, I said Sheol, Hases, will be cast into the lake of fire, Which is gehenna.
2)The OT departed Righteous went into Abrahams Bosom/Paradise.
Lk 16: 22. Lk 23: 43.
And the departed un-righteous go to hell, Sheol/Hades, Until judgment day, They they are cast into gehenna, The lake of fire.
3)Your spirit will be judged at the resurrection, [You are right about that], With all the other sinners, But Jesus has already taken the Christians judgement, And we go streight to heaven, As I have proved in my previous post.
The departed saints will be united with their newly resurrected bodies at the rapture, And the living saints will be changed into their new bodies and go to heaven for the trib period.
Then after the trib, We come back to reign with Jesus.
The only thing Christians will be judged for is their works ,Where we will be rewarded. See 1 Cor 3:12--15, NOT FOR SIN, as the catholic say.
4)Where is "Purgatory" in the Bible???.
Purgatory does away with, And replaces the sacrifice, death and blood of Jesus Acording to the catholics.
I was listening to a catholic teaching on purgatory, And all of the scriptures he used wasn't talking abot purgatory at all.
One of the scriptures he used was, LK 16: 22--28. And the only reason he gave for HELL,V23, Was, The rich man was concerned about his family. Of cause people who are in torment will be concerned about their family going there, People will still have their emotions in hell..But that doesn't make hell purgatory.
But the Man overlooked the fact that people wont get out of hell into heaven, V26.
So, If the Hell, in lk 16: 22-28, is purgatory, Then the people who are ther, Will never get out.
5)Where does the Bible say the New Testamen Church still has the effects of sin, After we are forgiven??. |
| baby3 |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:50:33
We die we get judged an d then put up somewhere till the second resurrection right?Those who are good die get judged and wait for the return of Christ and go with him to paradise:) Right? |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:25:44
I would also point out that God is outside of time as we know it. When we die, we are no longer in this temporal realm. We face judgment right away, and know at that moment where we are going - Heaven or Hell.
The Final Four, Eschatology, Death Judgment Heaven Hell.
That simple.
Now consider that while we each have a personal judgment that we face at the moment of our death. There is a final Judgment on Jugdment Day. This is not our personal judgment, but the final public judgment. Nothing changes in terms of our individual fate, but here we see the end results of everything we did and how it affected others. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 20:20:58
The pain of Hell and even of Purgatory is not so much physical pain but the absense of God. The absense of love.
This is something that affects us in our spirit, our very soul. |
| baby3 |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 15:25:16
You mean their minds were effected by the sins they did? I thought that hell didn't come into the picture till the judgement seat of Christ that is the second death.Also if your body is not with you how can you suffer?You no longer have a body to suffer??B3 |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 13:57:07
Sheol and Hades are not Gehenna, Hell. They are the Place of the Dead in two different languages.
It can get confusing as the English word "Hell" did not always mean the place of punishment that it does now. It too was a place where dead went.
This place can include the place of the damned, but not necessarily.
But otherwise, yes. It is appointed for a man to die once and then the judgement.
Our fleshly body dies, but our spirit does not, as G4 indicated. Our spirit is judged and at the Resurrection, all will be reunited with our bodies. Some to eternal life in Heaven and others to eternal damnation.
Between now and the Resurrection, some who are saved will experience a purging of any residual stain of sin before entering Heaven. Their sins would have already been forgiven before their death, but the effects of sin may remain. Revelation makes mention of some soiling their garments. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/14/2012 : 11:46:22
quote:
Originally posted by baby3
Hi I wish different beliefs would come for this one as I hear very different thoughts as to what happens.What is the way you learned and what do you believe? Thank You! Blessings and Peace!B3
PS Try if you could to prove this with scripture.Thanks:)
When a person dies, Only their body dies, The Spirit/soul live on.
Those who are born again, go to heaven .
2 Cor 5: 1--8. Phil 1: 21--23. Rev 6: 9-11. Rev 7: 9--15.
Those who aren't born again, Go to hell, [Hades].
Lk 16: 19--28. Acts 2: 27, &v31. Ps 9: 17, [Sheol], It is the same place as hell,[Hades].
Then the people in hell will be judged on judgment day, And cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20: 11-15. |
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