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| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/28/2012 : 08:01:13
How do you ABIDE in Jesus?
"John 15:4 ABIDE in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it ABIDE in the Vine; no more can ye, except ye ABIDE in me. 5 I AM THE VINE, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
So how do you ABIDE in Jesus?
John 6:56-69
56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever eats me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like that which your ancestors ate, and they died. But the one who eats this bread will live forever.” 59He said these things while he was teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.
How can we eat his flesh and drink his blood? Jesus tell's us 
(Matthew 26:27-29)
Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this FRUIT OF THE VINE from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom”
Did you miss it? Jesus said he is the VINE.He just called the cup at the last supper the fruit of the VINE. What is the VINE Jesus. John 6:56-69 56Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood ABIDE in me, and I in them.
This all links together to paint a bigger picture. Jesus is the fruit of the vine. He said himself ''I am the vine.''Why do you think Jesus refers to the cup as the fruit of the vine? He tells you eat his flesh and drink his blood to abide in him. He is in the cup at the last supper.
(Note: God4me I will not respond to anything you say until you link for me the definition. For the Aramaic word kepha and site it please. Also please don't deny Jesus spoke Aramaic. So Greek translations of the word kepha don't mean anything because Jesus didn't speak Greek when preaching. Everyone please don't respond to him until he does this.) |
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 07/23/2012 : 11:57:24
And I would point out that when I say "Christians don't sin", I don't mean that they don't sin in their spirits while their bodies wallow in sin. I do mean that Christians who truly believe in Jesus do not seek to commit sin, and avoid sinning in their bodies just as Paul kept his own body under subjection (1 Corinthians 9:27).
Just because we don't always succeed does not mean that we don't have to try. And the good news is that born again Christians can always repent and be reconciled to Christ. This is a wonderful gift for us. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 07/23/2012 : 11:50:29
There is another source of confusion that has been introduced in recent years that really causes a lot of problems among the Sola Scriptura crowd, and that is the KJV translation of 2 Timothy 2:15.
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
15 Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
The word translated as "rightly divide" is orthotomeo. If properly understood, "rightly divide" would have been taken as "to correctly apportion" not separate into what is acceptable and what can be ignored.
A far better understanding is to cut straight which means to hold a steady course or do right, or to handle correctly or teach rightly - they all mean basically the same thing.
But the modern understanding of the much older English wording "rightly dividing" is taken very differently and abused to carve up the scriptures into pieces to be accepted or ignored at WHIM. This makes it very easy for some to twist the scriptures to their own destruction.
The most horrific example of this "right division" doctrine of men is the idea that everything that Jesus taught before He died on the Cross was meant exclusively for the Old Covenant and does not apply to those under the New Covenant.
If that were true, then we don't have a New Covenant because this division removes the very testimony that was sealed in His Blood.
A testament cannot be sealed before it is given. NONE of what is given after Christ died is His Testament, only commentary and explanation for the Testament already given. A Seal can only be placed on a finished document or testament.
The Holy Spirit provided understanding of what was given at Pentecost, and Christ was able to provide some additional support after His Resurrection, but the Testamony was already given during His three year ministry on earth.
According to the Bible, and Jesus as recorded there, John the Baptist was the last of the Old Testament style prophets. John's mission was to herald the Messiah, to prepare the way for Him. John did what he was sent to do.
Jesus is the Messiah, and His mission was not to teach the Old Covenant that was passing away, but to bring in the NEW Covenant. To teach us by WORD and EXAMPLE. And in the end to provide us the means to be reconciled to the Father, through His Blood and through His Church. The ministers that He ordained had the ministry of Reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:18).
Jesus did not come down here to minister to the Old Covenant. What He came for was to fulfill it and perfect it so that we could have something better.
In Matthew 5, Jesus did show how it was under the Old Covenant, but then He explained how it is now. What Jesus explained was well beyond the mere letter of the Law - He showed us the Spirit of the Law. The Law of Love, though given in baby steps for those that were not ready for the meat of the Gospel.
Even in Paul's Epistles, Paul never once contradicted anything that Jesus ever said. In many places, Paul confirmed what Jesus said even before His death on the Cross. But one thing that is interesting to note is that Paul's tone changes when dealing with infants in Christ and those who are able to handle the meat.
In Paul's letters to the Corinthians (three in total, two preserved in the Bible), Paul is not writing to fully-mature Christians. His tone is harsh and full of warnings and condemnations. He warns of many losing their salvation, and speaks strongly against sexual sin. They need this because they don't understand the Gospel, they know that Jesus died for their sins, but they are not yet ready to give up their sins.
When Paul wrote to the Ephesians, this was a mature community that included both the Apostle John and the Blessed Virgin Mary in residence for a period of time, and many others who were passing through or teaching for a while. This was a community that did not need to be told that Christians don't sin, they already knew that and had moved on to the meat of the Gospel and fully embraced the Law of Love. For them the message was the Mystery of Christ's Church. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 07/23/2012 : 07:03:31
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Originally posted by God4me
[1]SO, What you are saying is, Unless you eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus, in the eucharist, Your not saved.
Why don't you grow up, stop being so silly and learn the Biblical truths.
That is a pity God4me spends his precious time shouting slogans instead of learning what the Bible says.
And here is what the Bible says:
“And as they were eating, Jesus took BREAD, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; THIS IS MY BODY. And he took the CUP, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For THIS IS MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:26-28, KJV).
And again:
“Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:54, KJV).
Now, Jesus says the bread and the wine is His body and blood and He also says whosoever eats His flesh and drinks His blood has eternal life – exactly what the Catholic Church teaches.
The alternative would be tantamount to saying that what the Bible says can not be trusted and that we should rather trust what God4me says the Bible says.
I short, God4me is actually appointing himself as a Bible-distorting Super Pope. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 10:43:22
As Christ Himself said, He is both the "cornerstone that the builders forgot" and also a "stumbling block".
As foretold of by many; here by Simeon:
"This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against...."
But God the Son also said, ""You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. And so I say to you, you are Kepha, and upon this Kepha, I will build My Church...."
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| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 22:49:22
P.S. God4me when you say Catholics aren't Christian. It's prity hateful and disgusting. I don't mind you calling me every bleep word you can imagine. But when you call a person not Christian. It's like saying they don't believe in or love Jesus. I wouldn't suggest continuing using such language. It might not be HIGHLY offensive to someone who doesn't care about their faith but to me it's disgusting. I'll try to ignore it but I would never call a Protestant not Christian. We are all God's children. So show some respect please thank you. <3 |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 18:25:43
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I checked out the word kepha in the Septuagint that is written in Greek. I looked at how it was used and there is no way that this could be a small stone that is easily moved. Unless you are Galactus eater of worlds.
Kepha was never used in the OT.
Kepha, Cephas and Petros, all mean a stone that is easily moved or shaken.
Remember, God can see you twisting His words, Don't you fear hell??.
LOL, my mistake. I got ahead of myself and put too few words in my explanation. There are multiple words for rock in Hebrew and Kephe is one of them. Petra is in the Septuagint and in two places translates into Kephe.
Petra translates into more than one Hebrew word for rock, but Kephe IS one of those words. I used the Septuagint to cross-reference the words to ensure that one could be the same as the other.
See Job 30:6 and Jeremiah 4:29. In these instances, the word keph appears in the Hebrew, but petra is in the Greek.
Sorry for any confusion. You are right in one respect, kephe does not appear in the Septuagint, but petra does. And where kephe is used in the Hebrew texts, petra appears in the Greek translation from the Septuagint.
The Septuagint is what the early Christians used for their OT. |
| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 12:04:38
and upon this kepha(A stone that is easily moved or shaken) Why are you adding that is easily shaken or moved to stone you? That's not the defintion for stone that's a lie.
Defintion for stone. The hard, solid, nonmetallic mineral matter of which rock is made.
Rofl this whole time you called kepha stone. You were right good job. A stone is a rock. And it could be a Stone mountain lol doesn't matter. Kepha means rock do you see now. No where in the defintion of stone is easily shaken or moved those are your words. If you move a stone mountain into my back yard I'll convert for you. <3 |
| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 11:45:50
How many Catholics who understand and study their faith convert? Lots of bad Catholics convert. Ones that never picked up a bible. Some even switched to Protestant cause they like the feel of the church comunity. Thats behond crazy. Or they couldn't take the strict moral code we keep. No contraception,abortion,gay relations ect.
How many Catholic priests and Catholic teachers convert to Protestant? Vs Protestant ministers and Protestant teachers who convert to catholisim. Look up the numbers you will be shocked. Well learned Christians conversion ratio is like 1 to a 1000 ratio.
I love when Protestants say look how many Catholics convert to Protestant. Congrats I could probly convert most bad Catholics to Islam if I wanted to. |
| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 11:12:05
So Jesus was insulting Peter. Doesn't sound like Jesus to me. That would prity much brand him a coward. What is a stone the mineral rock is made of. Your calling him a rock. Look up the defintion for stone. Do you think Peter was easily shaken after he saw Jesus rise? He was the defintion of rock after Jesus rose. You also ignore the fact that everytime God changes a name. He has something big planned for that person.
You know what you guys need? A doctor to fix you. Look up dr Scott Hahn. He is 1000 times better than I at explaining things. I challenge you to listen to all of dr Scott Hahns videos. If that doesn't fix you. I'll continue to pray and pray then pray a little more for you. God bless <3
The truth will set you free. I know behond a shadow of a doubt. Catholisim is the truth and the one upholder of the full truth. The pillar and bulwark of truth.
P.S. God4me Scott Hahn was kinda like you. Super anti catholic lol. Now he is a teacher of catholic theolgy. You should take a look at some of his videos. He has true passion in him. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 10:33:01
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Originally posted by Kingofkings
http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5776-why-protestant-ministers-convert-catholicism.html
1 of thousands of Protestant minister converts. Read it if you don't even twitch at some of the stuff. I don't know what I can say to help you. All I can do is pray and pray and pray a little more. God bless I love you all my brothers and sisters. Even if you drive me crazy.
When a protestant becomes a catholic, He hasn't come home, He got eternaly lost.
Thousands of catholics leave the catholic church and get coverted to the TRUE Church.
But you never mention that DO YOU??. |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 10:27:58
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Originally posted by Kingofkings
Abraham was also refered to as a rock. Also Jesus called Simon rock (kepha). Actually he renamed him rock..... God has something big in store for people he changes names. Explain why change his name to an object. Also if you really think kepha means little pebble instead of rock. You think Jesus would rename someone little pebble? And for no apparent reason. Jesus also calls himself the good sheperard. Jesus says to kepha feed my sheep three times. What is kepha now? Jesus also says AS the father sent me I send you. Keyword AS how was Jesus sent? With authority. He sends them off with authority. Whoever rejects YOU they reject ME. Kepha acts as Jesus's representative.
You think he wasn't talking about Kepha. That is a funny way of putting things, since it
would be like Jesus first addressing Kepha, then Himself, then back to
Kepha for His 4 promises to Kepha. Protestant scholars don't deny kephas received the 4 promises.
You say Jesus didn't say I will build my church on YOU. He was making a pun. Listen to the context of the verse.
You are kepha, and UPON this kepha I will build my church.
The context upon refers to the nearest kepha in the sentence. What kepha is that? Peter. This whole argument is stupid. As long as your not brainwashed against the church it can't be any clearer.
I'm on my cell. So I don't have proper links. For above verses
Jesus named Peter Petros a "Stone", Not rock.
PLEASE READ Jn 1: 42, And see what the interpretation of Cephas is.
Cephas, Kepha and Petros, All mean a "Stone".
Jesus never said,
You are kepha, and UPON this kepha I will build my church.
That is a catholic lie.
The reason Jesus re-named Peter to a stone, Was because he was easily moved or shaken, Didn't he prove it???.
All Ministers have to feed God's people, Acts 20: 28.
Every Christian is an ambassadors for Christ, 2 Cor 5: 20.
Every Christian has been sent as the Fater sent Jesus.
Jesus is praying for every Christian in Jn 17, Not just Peter and the Apostles. |
| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 10:08:40
http://www.true2ourselves.com/forum/general-discussions/5776-why-protestant-ministers-convert-catholicism.html
1 of thousands of Protestant minister converts. Read it if you don't even twitch at some of the stuff. I don't know what I can say to help you. All I can do is pray and pray and pray a little more. God bless I love you all my brothers and sisters. Even if you drive me crazy. |
| Kingofkings |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 08:41:27
Abraham was also refered to as a rock. Also Jesus called Simon rock (kepha). Actually he renamed him rock..... God has something big in store for people he changes names. Explain why change his name to an object. Also if you really think kepha means little pebble instead of rock. You think Jesus would rename someone little pebble? And for no apparent reason. Jesus also calls himself the good sheperard. Jesus says to kepha feed my sheep three times. What is kepha now? Jesus also says AS the father sent me I send you. Keyword AS how was Jesus sent? With authority. He sends them off with authority. Whoever rejects YOU they reject ME. Kepha acts as Jesus's representative.
You think he wasn't talking about Kepha. That is a funny way of putting things, since it
would be like Jesus first addressing Kepha, then Himself, then back to
Kepha for His 4 promises to Kepha. Protestant scholars don't deny kephas received the 4 promises.
You say Jesus didn't say I will build my church on YOU. He was making a pun. Listen to the context of the verse.
You are kepha, and UPON this kepha I will build my church.
The context upon refers to the nearest kepha in the sentence. What kepha is that? Peter. This whole argument is stupid. As long as your not brainwashed against the church it can't be any clearer.
I'm on my cell. So I don't have proper links. For above verses |
| baby3 |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 03:37:02
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Originally posted by Kingofkings
Why is that hard to believe? You believe you need to be baptized to be saved don't you? What came out of the heart of Jesus? Blood and water. He was pierced between his ribs. We are born again from blood and water. Jesus is the new Adam from his side we are a new creation. Just like Eve was a new creation from Adams side. So are we from the side of Jesus. Don't have the links on my cellphone. Pontius Pilate said "behold the man" The same way Adam was called by God "Behold the man" Also Jesus refered to as the lamb of God over and over 28 times in rev and by John the baptise the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. What did the Jews have to do with the Passover lamb to be saved. EAT of it and no bones can be broken of it. You MUST eat of it. This was all in perpetration for the coming of Jesus. Jesus is the lamb.
Now I believe in Gods infinite mercy. I don't judge anyone only God can judge you. I don't say who goes to hell or heaven. I don't believe everyone who isn't baptized or takes the Eucharist is going to hell. I do know what God asks us to do and I plan on doing it. It scares me that he says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. But I trust Jesus. He loves everyone far more then I can imagine. His mercy is endless. I don't suggest not listening to Jesus. I have no idea how he will judge.
Here is your kepha explanation. For the last time. Your choice to listen with an open heart or not. I truely do love you. Even if you hate me my brother. I'll pray for you.
The Greek text is a translation of Jesus' words, which were actually spoken in Aramaic. Aramaic only had one word for rock, kephas (which is why Peter is often called Cephas in the Bible). The word Kephas in Aramaic means "huge rock." The Aramaic word for "little stone" is "evna," and Peter was not called "Evna" or "Envas" or anything like that. In Aramaic, Jesus said "You are Peter (Kephas) and upon this rock (kephas) I will build my Church." The metaphor worked well in Aramaic where nouns are neither feminine or masculine, but in Greek, the noun "rock" was feminine, and therefore unsuitable as a name for Peter. So the Aramaic word Kephas was translated to the masculine name Petros when it referred to Peter, and to the feminine noun petra when it referred to the rock. In ancient Koine Greek, petra and petros were total synonyms, unlike modern Attic Greek and unlike Ionic Greek which was about 400 year before Christ.
 Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus! Most of what you are saying is true but I want you to read this and perhaps you might be able to decipher what is being said as I find you very intelligent.
And the Rock was Christ
One of the most important things ever said, was: “And the rock was Christ”.
These words appear in a letter sent to people, living in the port of Corinth. It was sent by the Apostle Paul to the early Christian church; this group of believers, had been founded by the Risen Jesus Christ, through the ministry of the Apostle Paul, around about 51-53 AD. Paul spent 18 months there, while he lived with, and worked as a tentmaker, alongside 2 Jews, Priscilla and Aquila (see Acts 18:1-18).
“And the rock was Christ”: The words are most important, because of what they means now, and what they refer back to. They hark back to the rock, which, strangely supplied Israel, God’s people, with water, during their years in the wilderness (about 1250 BC; or 1400 BC according to traditional scholars).
This is part of Paul’s letter:
I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same supernatural food and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ. Nevertheless with most of them God was not pleased; for they were overthrown in the wilderness. (1Corinthians 10:1-5).
What is this? They drank from the supernatural Rock, which followed them? How does a rock follow a group of people? (Exegetes must deal with the text).
One passage worth reading to get the background is Numbers 20:2-13
Now there was no water for the congregation; and they assembled themselves together against Moses and against Aaron. And the people contended with Moses, and said, “Would that we had died when our brethren died before the LORD! Why have you brought the assembly of the LORD into this wilderness, that we should die here, both we and our cattle? And why have you made us come up out of Egypt, to bring us to this evil place? It is no place for grain, or figs, or vines, or pomegranates; and there is no water to drink.” Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tent of meeting, and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them, and the LORD said to Moses, “Take the rod, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water; so you shall bring water out of the rock for them; so you shall give drink to the congregation and their cattle.” And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock, and he said to them, “Hear now, you rebels; shall we bring forth water for you out of this rock?” And Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock with his rod twice; and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their cattle. And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not believe in me, to sanctify me in the eyes of the people of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them.” These are the waters of Meribah, where the people of Israel contended with the LORD, and he showed himself holy among them.
“And the rock was Christ”? Numerous other references can be found in the Old Testament, which show that traditionally, God was referred to as The Rock.
“The Rock, his work is perfect; for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and right is he (Deuteronomy 32:4).
“But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked; you waxed fat, you grew thick, you became sleek; then he forsook God who made him, and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation (Deuteronomy 32:15)
He said, “The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; thou savest me from violence (2Samuel 22:2-3).
“For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God? (2Samuel 22:32).
“The LORD lives; and blessed be my rock, and exalted be my God, the rock of my salvation (2Samuel 22:47),…
Putting it together:
“And the rock was Christ”? Paul is equating this rock, with Jesus, the Christ. He is not saying that a man was with them, back there. But he is saying, that this One, this Christ, was present throughout the Old Testament
B3 Sent from my computer:) |
| God4me |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 00:42:26
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Originally posted by baby3
OK If all of what you say is true how come Jesus said even If you believe in my name you are saved? Just his name without the Eucharist? There are many other scriptures I am sure Luther found to prove his actions to:) B3
You have to remember, The catholics are hypoctrites, The quote the Bible, But they don't believe it.
They believe what the pope tells them, Not what God tells them. |
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