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| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 11:15:51
Can God love?
We are told that the mythical bible God is love or the epitome of love.
Archetypal Jesus said that we would know his people by the love, deeds and actions they showed others.
Jesus gave us examples of the deeds and works. Feed the poor, love all our neighbours, do not sin and many others.
Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this.
It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.
You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.
Imagine what those you love would think if you never did anything to express your love. Imagine what you would think of the love of others towards you if they never did anything to show they loved you. See what I mean. Love always must have deeds to be real and true and reciprocity must be at play.
Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.
We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral. One does not show love for someone by having them sacrificed for the sins of others when God himself stated that we are all responsible for our own salvation and cannot put that responsibility of the shoulders of a scapegoat Jesus.
Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?
Have you seen God express his love for us lately?
Regards
DL
These following speak to this issue if you wish to view them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMXoPhgTkuY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcO4TnrskE0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 18:10:10
In Christ's case, He did exist before His mother whom He made. He was not in the Flesh before His mother, but He existed nevertheless.
Are you suggesting that the Father made like Zeus and "fathered" a demi-god child with Mary? |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 17:56:33
quote:
Originally posted by Greatest I am 2
God cannot die and Jesus cannot live before his mother.
Shove your stupid pack of miracles, magic and time travel.
Regards
DL
The Trinity exist together. St. John said, "In the beginning was The Word and The Word was made flesh...."
God is not made from dust; as we were. We are not God.
Just because you don't have ability - doesn't make God incapable.
Just because you don't have the capability to know God - it doesn't make the Trinity unknowable to other people.
You have blinded youself from knowing the Trinity. Just as Adam & Eve did by hiding from God. |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 12:41:25
God cannot die and Jesus cannot live before his mother.
Shove your stupid pack of miracles, magic and time travel.
Regards
DL |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 14:55:28
I would gladly sacrifice my life to save my child. Even for my grown-up children.
Jesus did not need saving. He was not a child but GOD. The Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father. The Son gave His Life and took it up again. My child cannot do that. That is why I would sacrifice my life for my child's life. But Jesus could take His life back up again. And He did.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father, but He was with the Father from the beginning.
You used the label of Gnostic Christian. If you believe in Christ at all, then you know that He died. For what purpose then do you believe that He died? |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 07:11:12
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Baby, chill. God loves you. I love you. I'm Catholic. I love women and have feelings for them, but I'm being chaste as my Lord instructed me to do (that doesn't make me gay, nor will it turn me gay). Do not stand with the unbelievers and curse God! You are better than that. God said so when he called you.
"Peace I leave with you, Baby." - Jesus
Remember that. When churches and the bible seem to fail you, know that Jesus the Christ - our Lord and Savior who died for our sins - will never, ever, ever, EVER forsake you. You need to hang in there when the going gets tough.... Jesus sure did.
One has to question what a loving father or God would do.
I love my children. If I decided a sacrifice was needed, would my sense of love have my child die or would it have me have the balls to fill my own requirements of a death?
Seems to me that my sense of love would have me die for my child, not have my child die for me.
Children are to bury their parents, not parents bury their children.
Regards
DL |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 07:08:05
quote:
Originally posted by baby3
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DL.THEN THERE IS NO GOD? ARE YOU SURE? dO YOU BELIEVE IN ANYTHING? DEAD!
I can understand your frustration.
I am a Gnostic Christian and my Godhead has morals which is more than I can say for your God.
You are a woman. Did you view those links on Christianity and women who are to be rulede by men?
If you agree with Christian theology, then do as it says and kowtow to men. Just because they are men and your better as far as the Christian God is concerned.
If you would prefer to find a better God then follow me.
Youe are a Gnostic in your heart. Follow it.
Regards
DL |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 05/11/2012 : 06:45:45
quote:
Originally posted by Greatest I am 2
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
DL,
I've written previously how Jesus gave up His life for us of His own free will.
He talked of doing this with His Apostles.
He came to one designated place on Earth, at a designated time. His entry in and out were planned.
The Son of God choose to live as a human, subject to the human powers that existed in the area of His birth.
His Apostles successfully spread His Gospel message to both the Jews and to the pagan worshippers. His word spread because He rose from the dead, proving that He was both the Son of Man and the Son of God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs
Regards
DL
DL,
I don't allow myself to become polluted with anything of Hitchens.
While alive, he routinely called Mother Teresa a -itch.
As Jesus said, 'blind guides lead the blind into ditches.'
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 19:45:03
DL, yes it was necessary. And 2000 years later, the fruits are still there. It was the only way to get through to us without forcing us. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 19:11:51
Baby, chill. God loves you. I love you. I'm Catholic. I love women and have feelings for them, but I'm being chaste as my Lord instructed me to do (that doesn't make me gay, nor will it turn me gay). Do not stand with the unbelievers and curse God! You are better than that. God said so when he called you.
"Peace I leave with you, Baby." - Jesus
Remember that. When churches and the bible seem to fail you, know that Jesus the Christ - our Lord and Savior who died for our sins - will never, ever, ever, EVER forsake you. You need to hang in there when the going gets tough.... Jesus sure did. |
| baby3 |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 18:54:04
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Originally posted by Greatest I am 2
quote:
Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
If Christ were needlessly murdered,
Are you suggesting that that was God's only option?
Lest you forget----
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dspWh9g3hU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related
Regards
DL
DL.THEN THERE IS NO GOD? ARE YOU SURE? dO YOU BELIEVE IN ANYTHING? i ALREADY HAVE A HATERD FOR MEN ANYWAYS TELL YOU THE TRUTH THEY ARE ALL THOSE THINGS AND GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING EXPECIALLY ON LITTLE KIDS ETC. GOD WILL NOT CONDEMN THEM BECAUSE IT IS OK FOR THEM TO DO RIGHT? HE ONLY MADE MEN HE DID NOT MAKE WOMAN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO HE MADE HER LIKE A PET DOG PEOPLE HAVE TO KEEP COMPANY WITH THIS IS WHY THERE HAVE NO LOVE OR FEELINGS FOR WOMAN,MOMST OF THE PEDIPHILES ARE CAHTOLIC MEN AND THIS IS SICKNING.i DON'T WANT TO B E PART OF ANY OF THIS CRAP.i AM TIRED OF .LOOKING BECAUE THERE IS NOTHING TO LLOOK FOR ANY MORE THERE ARE NO SAINTS JUST PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT SMARTER THEN THE EDUCATED BASTEREDS THAT GET AWAY WITH ALL CCRIMES.i WIL CRY NO MORE,TO HELL WITH THE BIBLE AND CHURCH.i WISH TO BE DEAD! |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 15:39:42
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
DL,
I've written previously how Jesus gave up His life for us of His own free will.
He talked of doing this with His Apostles.
He came to one designated place on Earth, at a designated time. His entry in and out were planned.
The Son of God choose to live as a human, subject to the human powers that existed in the area of His birth.
His Apostles successfully spread His Gospel message to both the Jews and to the pagan worshippers. His word spread because He rose from the dead, proving that He was both the Son of Man and the Son of God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-91mSkxaXs
Regards
DL |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 15:37:52
quote:
Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
If Christ were needlessly murdered,
Are you suggesting that that was God's only option?
Lest you forget----
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. That’s who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dspWh9g3hU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related
Regards
DL
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 13:27:39
DL,
I've written previously how Jesus gave up His life for us of His own free will.
He talked of doing this with His Apostles.
He came to one designated place on Earth, at a designated time. His entry in and out were planned.
The Son of God choose to live as a human, subject to the human powers that existed in the area of His birth.
His Apostles successfully spread His Gospel message to both the Jews and to the pagan worshippers. His word spread because He rose from the dead, proving that He was both the Son of Man and the Son of God.
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 11:19:50
If Christ were needlessly murdered, that would be horrible. But seeing the results, I find it heartening to see what good has come from that selfless act.
It is unfortunate that humans had become so selfish and twisted that such an act was necessary, but we are who we are.
It is a tragedy that more and more are allowing the good to fade away and to become like the stiffnecked lot from ancient times, trading love for lust, sacrificing family and children for money and goods. |
| Greatest I am 2 |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 07:13:11
True.
Sane men have discarded their good hearts to evil ones who think genocide and having your own son needlessly murdered are good traits.
That will go to hell.
Regards
DL |
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