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[quote][i]Originally posted by God4me[/i]
[br][quote][i]Originally posted by Faith_at_Large[/i]
[br]Prior to Constantine legalizing Christianity, the Catholic Church (being Christianity) was illegal and was persecuted.  Those saints were Catholic.

The Church was in Rome, but the Church was not the Roman government.

Even after Christianity was legalized, the Emperors sought to control the Church.

St. Bibiana was martyred during the reign of Julian the Apostate.  This was after Constantine legalized Christianity, but Emperor Julian hated Christianity as he had seen hypocrites amoung his family who had professed the Faith.  Roman Emperorers were sometimes Christians of convenience, but resorted to time old traditions of killing for power.  Julian was so enraged by this that he became an atheist and tried to prove Jesus a fraud by rebuilding the Temple at Jerusalem which would have voided Christ's own prophecy that the Temple would be destroyed and never rebuilt.

This ended badly.  No one goes up against God and wins.  Julian emptied his treasury trying to rebuild the temple at Jerusalem, but the project was plagued by every manner of natural disaster.  The only thing he accomplished was the removal of any last vestige of the original Temple - finishing was Christ prophesied.

Emperor Julian died a very horrible death, I think it was in battle, but a just fate for one so cruel.

Some of the persecutions were utterly horrific, but in the end the Church prevailed.  She outlasted the Roman Empire and spread the Gospel over the whole world.
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STOP telling lies, catholics aren't saints and their not Christians.

What you don't tell us is, The catholic killed the Bible preaching believers because the Bible was chalenging the catholics authority.

As the catholics killed the Bible believing people for preaching God's truth, How can you say the catholics are the true Church??.

As I have said, catholics are a devil inspired man made false religion.
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baby3	Posted - 05/23/2012 : 15:38:01 I have a book of Lives of the Saints,Illustrated Dedicated to ST Joseph. I really like this book and have read a few good stories in it. I want to learn all about the church fathers and what they did and how they died I have read one that really had me in tears,as she suffered so much at the hands of this dude called Apronianus. The Saint was called Bibiana,what a horrible fate was hers like the Lords but worst to me.I some times hate to read these and feel that the church did this crap to the Saints but then I see it was the government. I thought that the church was part of the government all the time back then?? Anyone?
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Kamati	Posted - 07/21/2012 : 01:59:01 1. While Holy Scripture says "the Spirit ITself ...", Conqueror insists the Spirit can not be "It". In other words, Conqueror’s problem is with the Holy Scripture. 2. Conqueror also has a problem with any one listening and believing what the Pope says, but wants every one to listen and believe what Conqueror says. 3. Yes, I think we are face to face with a present-day Abiram.
bwellmysoul	Posted - 06/28/2012 : 08:47:42 quote: Originally posted by Conqueror You don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit and everything you think you know you have learned from a charlatan posing as a Catholic priest So saith the Conqueror, the resurgent futuristic tribe of Korah, Dathan and Abiram!!! Dishonoring those men whom God places in sacred office. Owner of the Holy Spirit and all His actions.
Faith_at_Large	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 21:17:53 How about answering the question.
Conqueror	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 20:40:44 Keep on calling God an IT. You don't have the indwelling Holy Spirit and everything you think you know you have learned from a charlatan posing as a Catholic priest
Faith_at_Large	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 18:01:39 Since the Holy Spirit has NO GENDER, what personal pronoun should we use for the Holy Spirit? The Father has been assigned as male, and so has the Son, but in the Bible the Holy Spirit is not assigned a masculine gender, nor the feminine. Since you seem to feel that the Bible is a poor guide, also giving the Holy Spirit a neuter pronoun which you object to, perhaps your "Pope" has some revelation to provide a suitable answer?
Conqueror	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 16:26:15 Why did you call the Holy Spirit an IT? quote: Originally posted by baby3 We3l the Holy Spirit of God is his power at work through you and I in charitable ways and in love and peace also he choses whome he wishes to do hs work. Jesus called the Farther Father I assume he is a male spirit as most everyone else does.If not that would mean Jesus was an IT! and he was not! God made them male and female he also said let us make man in (our image) not the (it's) image. He is real alive well and watching he is a he or she if you wan but never and IT! TAG!@ Your IT! So a lot of Catholics are wrong calling the Spirit an IT! Which means that the don't know his empowering presence. Lousy witness!
Faith_at_Large	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 10:16:52 Spirits do not have gender. We are made in the image and likeness of God, but we also have gender. Since I am a woman and not a man, and my husband is a man and not a woman, it would be imprudent to assume that God is one or the other or both or neither. Jesus is man because HE became man and walked among us. Jesus has a gender. The Father is identified as a Father, so while HE does not have a gender, we accept His introduction as male by His Son. The Holy Spirit is not introduced with a gender and neutral pronounds are used in connection with the Holy Spirit. On occassion, I have used "He" for the Holy Spirit, and rarely I think I have used "She" - after all we were made male and female. God does not procreate so He does not need a gender. And as for any uncharitable remarks I have ever made - yes, I admit I am human and sometimes respond in kind when I have been insulted or abused. It is not something I am proud of, but I do try. As for those that come on here guns blazing, calling me names, insulting my integrity without just cause, well, I thank God that I have not yet reached that point in my life. I would hate to belong to any such group that promoted such uncharitable behaviour as a matter of course. God is LOVE and there is no room for hate or malevolence in a Christian soul, regardless of what church or group he or she belonged to. Such bitterness does not come from God.
baby3	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 09:15:02 We3l the Holy Spirit of God is his power at work through you and I in charitable ways and in love and peace also he choses whome he wishes to do hs work. Jesus called the Farther Father I assume he is a male spirit as most everyone else does.If not that would mean Jesus was an IT! and he was not! God made them male and female he also said let us make man in (our image) not the (it's) image. He is real alive well and watching he is a he or she if you wan but never and IT! TAG!@ Your IT!
jdubya	Posted - 06/27/2012 : 08:32:07 Try reading my previous post. The Holy Spirit is neither a he nor she, so what other English personal pronoun is there that you suggest we use short of spelling out Holy Spirit every time? Faith knows the difference as does St. Paul in Romans 8, so why do you insist on straining gnats? Good luck finding abusive posts.
Conqueror	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 21:19:36 You wouldn't have a clue since you rely on the idiotic papacy to tell you. Calling a person an IT means you know nothing and have no respect quote: Originally posted by Faith_at_Large There have been other non-Catholic Christians on this forum who have been very reasonable and capable of expressing their views without descending into unChristian behaviour. I miss some of those conversations. Do you want me to trawl for your your abusive posts? Why did you call the Holy Spirit an IT?
Faith_at_Large	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 20:00:11 There have been other non-Catholic Christians on this forum who have been very reasonable and capable of expressing their views without descending into unChristian behaviour. I miss some of those conversations.
bwellmysoul	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 19:08:54 quote: Originally posted by acumenCry Why is it that all the Protestants on this forum are uncharitable parrots? Interesting isn't it. Is there one school that all denominations attend? Same odd comments each and every time.
acumenCry	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 18:52:38 Why is it that all the Protestants on this forum are uncharitable parrots?
Conqueror	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 17:48:32 You wouldn't have a clue since you rely on the idiotic papacy to tell you. Calling a person an IT means you know nothing and have no respect
bwellmysoul	Posted - 06/26/2012 : 17:03:57 The Catholic Church doesn't base faith & morals on one person's opinion (such as in the various protesting denominations).

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