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| acumenCry |
Posted - 06/15/2012 : 23:52:14
I have spent a great deal of time studying early Christian writings, and I can not help but think (know) that the early Church was Catholic. Some people on here (namely, g4) believe that the early Church was Pentecostal (in the modern sense of the term), but I have tried to wrap my mind around this claim, and I can not see it. It would help if someone could show me certain documentation which proves that the early Church believed in the prosperity gospel, speaking in tongues as a sign/means of salvation, sola scriptura, etc.
Thanks ahead of time for your time and consideration. |
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| God4me |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 23:35:35
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Amen. I find it funny how some people say Catholics aren't Christians. Truth is, if worshiping Jesus were idolatry (as is sometimes falsely accused), then we Catholics are REALLY in trouble, being far more guilty than other Christians. Not only do we physically bow to him (as opposed to the more common Protestant figurative bow), but we publicly profess our belief in him and place ourselves under an oath at every Mass.
As far as the "trapping Jesus in a wafer" accusation goes, that is wrong in so many ways. First of all, it shows your lack of education in the very basics of Catholic theology. Perhaps you need to hit the books a little more before you try to take on a 2,000 year old organization. If you feel you are following Jesus in your attacks on Catholicism, then you being overanxious will cause you to sink faster than Peter when he tried to walk on water.
catholics aren't Christians, What in the world make you think you are Christians??.
You catholics have proved that your not the true Church as not one of your churches has the gifts of the Spirit operating in them, You are your own witnesses that your not the true Church. |
| michael |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 21:23:27
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Amen. I find it funny how some people say Catholics aren't Christians. Truth is, if worshiping Jesus were idolatry (as is sometimes falsely accused), then we Catholics are REALLY in trouble, being far more guilty than other Christians. Not only do we physically bow to him (as opposed to the more common Protestant figurative bow), but we publicly profess our belief in him and place ourselves under an oath at every Mass.
As far as the "trapping Jesus in a wafer" accusation goes, that is wrong in so many ways. First of all, it shows your lack of education in the very basics of Catholic theology. Perhaps you need to hit the books a little more before you try to take on a 2,000 year old organization. If you feel you are following Jesus in your attacks on Catholicism, then you being overanxious will cause you to sink faster than Peter when he tried to walk on water.
Catholic theolology does not say "trapping Jesus in a wafer" you said that.
Please stop breaking the 8th commandment bearing false witness.
Jesus took bread blessed & broke it & said this is my body.
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
What makes no sense is when Protestants say the bread & wine are a symbol. How is his body like bread? How is his blood like wine?
1Cor 10:16, "The cup of the blessing that we bless, IS IT NOT THE SHARING OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST? And the bread that we break, IS IT NOT THE PARTAKING OF THE BODY OF THE LORD?" |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 13:00:40
Amen. I find it funny how some people say Catholics aren't Christians. Truth is, if worshiping Jesus were idolatry (as is sometimes falsely accused), then we Catholics are REALLY in trouble, being far more guilty than other Christians. Not only do we physically bow to him (as opposed to the more common Protestant figurative bow), but we publicly profess our belief in him and place ourselves under an oath at every Mass.
As far as the "trapping Jesus in a wafer" accusation goes, that is wrong in so many ways. First of all, it shows your lack of education in the very basics of Catholic theology. Perhaps you need to hit the books a little more before you try to take on a 2,000 year old organization. If you feel you are following Jesus in your attacks on Catholicism, then you being overanxious will cause you to sink faster than Peter when he tried to walk on water. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 11:51:38
Many walked away when Christ first told them that they would have to eat His flesh and drink His blood.
If I didn't believe that Jesus was God, I wouldn't believe that stuff either.
But since Jesus IS God, He can do everything He said He would. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 05:42:51
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Correction! Catholics put everything before Jesus, claiming that have Jesus captured in a wafer.
The Early Church believed in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
In fact, the reason that they assembled, was for the receiving of Christ in the bread.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
St. Paul in Sacred Scripture writes:
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"The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread."
-1 Cor. 10:16-17
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THE DIDACHE
The Didache or "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles" is a manuscript which was used by 2nd century bishops and priests for the instruction of catechumens. Many early Christian writers have referenced it making this document relatively easy to date.
"Let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those baptized in the name of the Lord; to this, too the saying of the Lord is applicable: 'Do not give to dogs what is sacred'".
-Ch. 9:5
"On the Lord's own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure. However, no one quarreling with his brother may join your meeting until they are reconciled; your sacrifice must not be defiled. For here we have the saying of the Lord: 'In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice; for I am a mighty King, says the Lord; and my name spreads terror among the nations.'"
-Ch 14
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Ignatius - 3rd Bishop of Antioch
Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."
"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.
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St. Ignatius became the third bishop of Antioch, succeeding St. Evodius, who was the immediate successor of St. Peter.
He heard St. John preach when he was a boy and knew St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna.
Seven of his letters written to various Christian communities have been preserved.
Eventually, he received the martyr's crown as he was thrown to wild beasts in the arena.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 05:33:13
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Originally posted by Conqueror
Correction! Catholics put everything before Jesus, claiming that have Jesus captured in a wafer.
Mark 4:34
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He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.
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For I pass on to you what I received from the Lord himself. On the night when He was betrayed, the Lord Jesus took some bread
and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is My Body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."
Matthew 26:26
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is My Body."
Mark 14:22
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is My Body."
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| Conqueror |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 03:21:42
Correction! Catholics put everything before Jesus, claiming that have Jesus captured in a wafer. |
| God4me |
Posted - 06/21/2012 : 00:14:16
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Christ's Church found Him, and they still have Him.
Christians should always put Christ first in their lives.
Unlike the catholics, Christians do put Jesus first.
catholics put Mary and the catholics councils before Jesus. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 06/20/2012 : 15:31:51
Christ's Church found Him, and they still have Him.
Christians should always put Christ first in their lives. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 06/20/2012 : 15:25:41
What are you implying? |
| Conqueror |
Posted - 06/20/2012 : 15:00:17
The early church sought Jesus. |
| michael |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 07:59:13
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by acumenCry
G4, you did not provide the evidence I requested. You simply recycled twisted excerpts from the gospel of g4 which was derived from Bible verses being taken out of context. Did you even read my post? Don't bother trying to answer me anymore. I want feedback from non-Catholic Christians, not nonsensical narcissists.
Since when has telling you what the Bible says, Been twisting it??.
WAKE UP YOU DOPEY MAN.
I didn't take the scriptures out of context, If you knew the Bible you would know that.
It is rude, selfish, immature, & un-Christian to call people "DOPEY"
Protestantism did not exist before Martin Luther. So the early Church simply could not have been Protestant Pentecostal denomination.
Logically the Catholic Church had to exist before Protestantism otherwise Protestants would have nothing to protest.
To imply that the early Church was a Protestant denomination is immature & ignorant.
Protestants need to go back & read the origin of Protestantism & the histories of their particular denominations & the men who started them.
[1]You are just as dopey as acumencry. As protestents aren't pentecostal, Most of them aren't even Christians.
In my country there is a big diffeence between Christians and protestants.
[2]The Pentecostal Church started on the day of pentecost, [Hence, Pentecostal], And it has been going ever since.
[3]I have never said the early Church was protestnt, STOP TELLING LIES, As I said, protestants aren't Christians.
As I said, You really are dopey.
I can not believe you are going to blatently be immature, rude, putting yourself above others, & un-Christian & insist on calling me & others dopey.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
I have already told you the protestants aren't Christians, And weren't the early Church.
All you have proved is, How dopey you are, I rest my case.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
God4me I can see right through you. All you are doing is trying to make some sort of link between you & the early Church when there is none by labling yourself christian with the false logic of since the names are the same both are the same as the result.
God4me it is very clear you have learned from Protestantism. I do not know who you are trying to fool.
There you go again, TELLING LIES.
Your only proving that you aren't Christians, I REST MY CASE.
Go4me who are you trying to fool it is plain as day very clear that you have learnened from Protestantism.
It is clear that you learned from Preotestant websites teachers etc.
The Bible alone is even a Protestant belief. Do you believe in the bible alone?
I was not born yesterday & im not a dope.
Are you going to apologize for calling me & others "dopey"?
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| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 07:58:52
Is that the extent of your ability to communicate, G4Me?
You so want and need to believe that Pentecostalism did not originate out of the 1,500s.
A shame that you're unable to provide any documentation on the Early Pentecostal Church. |
| God4me |
Posted - 06/19/2012 : 00:20:53
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by acumenCry
G4, you did not provide the evidence I requested. You simply recycled twisted excerpts from the gospel of g4 which was derived from Bible verses being taken out of context. Did you even read my post? Don't bother trying to answer me anymore. I want feedback from non-Catholic Christians, not nonsensical narcissists.
Since when has telling you what the Bible says, Been twisting it??.
WAKE UP YOU DOPEY MAN.
I didn't take the scriptures out of context, If you knew the Bible you would know that.
It is rude, selfish, immature, & un-Christian to call people "DOPEY"
Protestantism did not exist before Martin Luther. So the early Church simply could not have been Protestant Pentecostal denomination.
Logically the Catholic Church had to exist before Protestantism otherwise Protestants would have nothing to protest.
To imply that the early Church was a Protestant denomination is immature & ignorant.
Protestants need to go back & read the origin of Protestantism & the histories of their particular denominations & the men who started them.
[1]You are just as dopey as acumencry. As protestents aren't pentecostal, Most of them aren't even Christians.
In my country there is a big diffeence between Christians and protestants.
[2]The Pentecostal Church started on the day of pentecost, [Hence, Pentecostal], And it has been going ever since.
[3]I have never said the early Church was protestnt, STOP TELLING LIES, As I said, protestants aren't Christians.
As I said, You really are dopey.
I can not believe you are going to blatently be immature, rude, putting yourself above others, & un-Christian & insist on calling me & others dopey.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
I have already told you the protestants aren't Christians, And weren't the early Church.
All you have proved is, How dopey you are, I rest my case.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
God4me I can see right through you. All you are doing is trying to make some sort of link between you & the early Church when there is none by labling yourself christian with the false logic of since the names are the same both are the same as the result.
God4me it is very clear you have learned from Protestantism. I do not know who you are trying to fool.
There you go again, TELLING LIES.
Your only proving that you aren't Christians, I REST MY CASE. |
| michael |
Posted - 06/18/2012 : 21:09:02
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by acumenCry
G4, you did not provide the evidence I requested. You simply recycled twisted excerpts from the gospel of g4 which was derived from Bible verses being taken out of context. Did you even read my post? Don't bother trying to answer me anymore. I want feedback from non-Catholic Christians, not nonsensical narcissists.
Since when has telling you what the Bible says, Been twisting it??.
WAKE UP YOU DOPEY MAN.
I didn't take the scriptures out of context, If you knew the Bible you would know that.
It is rude, selfish, immature, & un-Christian to call people "DOPEY"
Protestantism did not exist before Martin Luther. So the early Church simply could not have been Protestant Pentecostal denomination.
Logically the Catholic Church had to exist before Protestantism otherwise Protestants would have nothing to protest.
To imply that the early Church was a Protestant denomination is immature & ignorant.
Protestants need to go back & read the origin of Protestantism & the histories of their particular denominations & the men who started them.
[1]You are just as dopey as acumencry. As protestents aren't pentecostal, Most of them aren't even Christians.
In my country there is a big diffeence between Christians and protestants.
[2]The Pentecostal Church started on the day of pentecost, [Hence, Pentecostal], And it has been going ever since.
[3]I have never said the early Church was protestnt, STOP TELLING LIES, As I said, protestants aren't Christians.
As I said, You really are dopey.
I can not believe you are going to blatently be immature, rude, putting yourself above others, & un-Christian & insist on calling me & others dopey.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
I have already told you the protestants aren't Christians, And weren't the early Church.
All you have proved is, How dopey you are, I rest my case.
Are you going to insist on putting yourself above others calling me & others dopey? Or are you going to apologize?
There is no way you or any Protestant can link themselves to the early Church no matter what you redefine yourself to be.
God4me I can see right through you. All you are doing is trying to make some sort of link between you & the early Church when there is none by labling yourself christian with the false logic of since the names are the same both are the same as the result.
God4me it is very clear you have learned from Protestantism. I do not know who you are trying to fool. |
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