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| Kamati |
Posted - 07/27/2012 : 09:59:29
Some posters here deny that Mary is Ever Virgin. They allege she had other children ... and they also lean on the word "Till".
Now, who are Mary's other children? And does the word "Till" always mean that something that did not happen up to that point, later happened?
Please keep on topic. |
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| Kamati |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 23:48:20
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
And as catholics aren't Christians, They can never have the truth revealed to them, Thats why they teach devil inspired man made fales eroneous doctrines.
The problem with that statement is that it can not be supported with facts.
If Catholics are not Christians then there was no Christianity on earth from the second century until your sect was founded in the beginning of the 20th century. You will NEVER find any written record showing that your sect existed before 1900. And Christian “churches” that existed since the 1500s originated from the Catholic Church … and that fact alone is enough to refute your claim.
You may claim that your sect was there but it was in hiding, but we know that Jesus did not found His church to go into hiding; He founded it to be the light of the world. He did not light a lamp and put it under a basket.
You actually know the truth but are resisting it. That is why you never even try to present any evidence. That is because all the historical evidence supports the Catholic claims.
For argument’s, let us consider the only possible scenario if your claim is true.
33 AD: Jesus founds His Church.
100 AD: The death of the last apostle (but without the Catholic Church God4me would not even know this)
100 – 1500: The true Church (i.e. the underground Pentecostal church) does nothing to preach the Gospel; the leaders of true church write nothing down; the true church fails to condemn the founding of the false catholic church; the true church allows the false catholic church to determine what books are inspired; the true church produces not even one Bible translation in more than 1400 years; it allows the false catholic church to viciously divide Bible books into chapters and verses; the true church allows, accepts and makes use of the catholic-invented Gregorian calendar; etc, etc.
Man, man … you have benefited a lot from the non-Christian catholic church … unfortunately you do not know this; all you know is that Catholics are not Christians. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 23:22:05
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
The Holy Spirit will only reveal the Biblical truths to those who are open to it, Those who have an open mind and a teachable Spirit. But sadly many Christians dont.
That one must be a direct revelation you received from the devil because the Bible nowhere says "the Holy Spirit will only reveal the Biblical truths to those who are open to it, Those who have an open mind and a teachable Spirit".
The Bible shows how the Holy Spirit guides legitimate Church leaders to interpret scriptures. The Holy Spirit does not ordinarilly guide indiviuals apart from the Church because that would make void Christ's Church. Christ left us His Holy Spirit-guided Church to do exactly what you now try to attribute to the Holy Spirit to the exclusion of Christ's Church.
And the result is there for all to see: every Protestant claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit and accusing those other Protestants who disagree with him of having "no open minds" and of being unteachable. Jehovah's Witnesses would accuse God4me of being unteachable; Lutherans would accuse Baptists of not having open minds; Baptists would accuse Pentecostals of demonic influence; etc, etc.
Among all those contradictory claims, why should I believe what God4me says and not what Lutherans, Methodists or Presbyterians say?
Now, if the Holy Spirit is all we need, why did Jesus leave us His Church? Did He buy the Church with His own blood so that we can ignore it?
Okay, after you have excluding the Church, can you please tell us what "the pillar and ground of truth" is? |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 06:32:34
G4Me,
"Scripture Alone" means that "you alone" get to decide which section of your Bible you can deny as full of error (or is mistranslated) and which sections you prefer to follow.
On Scripture which you detest, you've developed an exclusionary 3 verse documentation rule.
On Scripture you enjoy, that man-made 3 verse doctrine isn't required.
"Cafeteria" Sola Scriptura and Once Saved Always Saved (minus that one mortal sin).
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| God4me |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 23:21:35
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
If you ever bother to read my post, "Mary had other children",
You'll see that I give scriptures and the original Greek meanings.
But why your post ... is the Bible no longer enough? And, if only the Bible in the original Greek is needed, why do you [Protestants] blame the Catholic Church of keeping the Bible in a dead language? Why are all the Protestant translations not good enough?
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
And it does show "The Bible alone", WHY DO YOU TELL SO MANY LIES?
Not the Bible alone ... it is the Bible plus God4me’s post.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
The Bible is for everyone to read and get the revelations from it as the Holy Spirit reveals it to them
But you are telling us to read your post, not the Bible. And if everyone gets revelation by reading the Bible, why do “Holy Spirit-filled” Protestants disagree so furiously? Are you now going to accuse the Holy Spirit of giving different revelations to different people?
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
But the catholics aren't allowed to read it for themselves, They have to believe the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men.
That is what your deceiving pastor told you, but here I am, reading the Bible for myself and still disagree with you and many of your fellow Protestants also disagree with you.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
Thats why all catholics are a load of robotic parrots, repeated their catholic dogmas parrot fashion.
I know why you are frustrated. You wanted us to become your robotic parrots, repeating your dogma that teaches that “Mary had other children”.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
But Born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to guid them into all truth and reveal the Bible to them, Thats why we know the Biblical truth and the catholics dont.
But how is that possible that the Holy Spirit guides the so-called born-again Christians to different and contradictory conclusions. Soon or later you will have to appoint yourself as the supreme authority who determines who is and who is not a born again Christian.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
God is not the God of confusion, Thats why the catholic church is in error, The Bible says one thing And the catholic church says another thing, Bringing confusion to the true seeker.
If you want to see a clear example of the real doctrinal confusion, look not farther than Protestantism.
The Holy Spirit will only reveal the Biblical truths to those who are open to it, Those who have an open mind and a teachable Spirit.
But sadly many Christians dont.
And as catholics aren't Christians, They can never have the truth revealed to them, Thats why they teach devil inspired man made fales eroneous doctrines. |
| God4me |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 23:16:59
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
[1]Stop telling lies, You naughty man.
As we all now know, that means God4me has no answer.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
[2]Stop twisting the scriptures, You naughty man.
As we all now know, that means God4me has no answer.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
The bread is symbolic of His body, Not His acctiall body.
That is what you say, not the Bible. Jesus said “whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world ... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink ... John 6:51-55
and
“... Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’ Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.”
But God4me will never believe what Jesus says; he will rather follow what his pastor says even when it totally contradicts what the Bible says.
Now, I have taken note that you are actually accusing Catholics of believing what the Bible says, while, on the other hand, your theology forces you to fabricate a symbolic meaning, but here is the problem: if the text is symbolic then everything in it is symbolic including the new covenant and the forgiveness of sins.
[1]Stop telling lies.
[2]Stop twisting the scriptures. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 22:29:02
quote:
Originally posted by KathieBondar
Ernest Renan spent several years in the Middle East searching for credible material for his study "The Life of Jesus". According to Renan Jesus had five siglings, James the Younger, Jacob, Veronica, Hanna and Miriam.
My own work is in telepathy and dream interpretation. Telepathy directly connects you with the other's mind, you can have a direct dialogue, you can ask questions, get answers. Understanding telepathy needs to be learned like reading and writing, but once mastered the sky is the limit.
In the course of my work the holy family was the first I checked out, and yes, Ernest Renan is correct, Jesus did have five siblings. Veronica was married to Barabbas, the man who murdered Mary by poison. Hanna did have a husband, a lawyer who defended Jesus at his trial.
Yeah, James, Jacob, Veronica, Hanna and Miriam ... include Joseph, Simon, Jude and Jesus and you will know that Mary had nine children. Such a big family is normally meant to make money for the Catholic Church you know!
Never mind the fact that James and Jacob is actually the same name. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 15:41:56
Thank you Heavenlysecrets for your apologia in defense of Christ's Truth and His Holy Church! |
| heavenlysecrets |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 14:39:31
I was thinking that exact same thought, BWMS. lol. You beat me to it, darn you!!! |
| heavenlysecrets |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 14:16:24
No offense Ms. Bondar, but if I had to choose between your telepathic dialogue and Church dogma, I would choose the latter, for obvious reasons.
First and foremost I don't believe true prophesy would deviate from Church teaching. We are living in the age of false prophets and doomsday philosophy. We are to keep our focus on Christ and His Holy Church because He is our Savior and He will reveal Himself to us in the fullness of time.
In the future, I would avoid using people such as Ernest Renan as your source, a man who not only doubted Jesus as the Son of Man, but called Him a liar and a scoundrel of the worst magnitude for claiming such.
You are in my prayers. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 13:46:05
Well then.
There you have it G4, the proof you seek. |
| KathieBondar |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 13:21:23
Ernest Renan spent several years in the Middle East searching for credible material for his study "The Life of Jesus". According to Renan Jesus had five siglings, James the Younger, Jacob, Veronica, Hanna and Miriam.
My own work is in telepathy and dream interpretation. Telepathy directly connects you with the other's mind, you can have a direct dialogue, you can ask questions, get answers. Understanding telepathy needs to be learned like reading and writing, but once mastered the sky is the limit.
In the course of my work the holy family was the first I checked out, and yes, Ernest Renan is correct, Jesus did have five siblings. Veronica was married to Barabbas, the man who murdered Mary by poison. Hanna did have a husband, a lawyer who defended Jesus at his trial. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 05:34:27
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
If you ever bother to read my post, "Mary had other children",
You'll see that I give scriptures and the original Greek meanings.
But why your post ... is the Bible no longer enough? And, if only the Bible in the original Greek is needed, why do you [Protestants] blame the Catholic Church of keeping the Bible in a dead language? Why are all the Protestant translations not good enough?
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
And it does show "The Bible alone", WHY DO YOU TELL SO MANY LIES?
Not the Bible alone ... it is the Bible plus God4me’s post.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
The Bible is for everyone to read and get the revelations from it as the Holy Spirit reveals it to them
But you are telling us to read your post, not the Bible. And if everyone gets revelation by reading the Bible, why do “Holy Spirit-filled” Protestants disagree so furiously? Are you now going to accuse the Holy Spirit of giving different revelations to different people?
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
But the catholics aren't allowed to read it for themselves, They have to believe the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men.
That is what your deceiving pastor told you, but here I am, reading the Bible for myself and still disagree with you and many of your fellow Protestants also disagree with you.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
Thats why all catholics are a load of robotic parrots, repeated their catholic dogmas parrot fashion.
I know why you are frustrated. You wanted us to become your robotic parrots, repeating your dogma that teaches that “Mary had other children”.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
But Born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to guid them into all truth and reveal the Bible to them, Thats why we know the Biblical truth and the catholics dont.
But how is that possible that the Holy Spirit guides the so-called born-again Christians to different and contradictory conclusions. Soon or later you will have to appoint yourself as the supreme authority who determines who is and who is not a born again Christian.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
God is not the God of confusion, Thats why the catholic church is in error, The Bible says one thing And the catholic church says another thing, Bringing confusion to the true seeker.
If you want to see a clear example of the real doctrinal confusion, look not farther than Protestantism. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/08/2012 : 05:17:55
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
[1]Stop telling lies, You naughty man.
As we all now know, that means God4me has no answer.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
[2]Stop twisting the scriptures, You naughty man.
As we all now know, that means God4me has no answer.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
The bread is symbolic of His body, Not His acctiall body.
That is what you say, not the Bible. Jesus said “whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world ... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink ... John 6:51-55
and
“... Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, ‘Take and eat; this is my body.’ Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.”
But God4me will never believe what Jesus says; he will rather follow what his pastor says even when it totally contradicts what the Bible says.
Now, I have taken note that you are actually accusing Catholics of believing what the Bible says, while, on the other hand, your theology forces you to fabricate a symbolic meaning, but here is the problem: if the text is symbolic then everything in it is symbolic including the new covenant and the forgiveness of sins. |
| God4me |
Posted - 08/07/2012 : 23:28:32
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
God4me keeps telling us that for us to really understand Mary we need to read what he wrote about the subject.
This implies that the Bible alone is not enough.
Now, do Protestants believe that the Bible need an authoritative interpreter? If so, why do they insist that every one should be allowed to read and interpret the Bible for himself?
And why do Protestants -- who accuse the Catholic Church of keeping the Bible in Greek and Latin -- now tell us that the only way to understand the Bible is to read it in the original Greek? What were the translations for?
I think they are deliberately trying to create confusion ... and God is not the author of confusion.
If you ever bother to read my post, "Mary had other children", You'll see that I give scriptures and the original Greek meanings.
And it does show "The Bible alone", WHY DO YOU TELL SO MANY LIES??.
The Bible is for everyone to read and get the revelations from it as the Holy Spirit reveals it to them, But the catholics aren't allowed to read it for themselves, They have to believe the pope's porkies and the catholic con-men.
Thats why all catholics are a load of robotic parrots, repeated their catholic dogmas parrot fashion.
But Born again Christians have the Holy Spirit to guid them into all truth and reveal the Bible to them, Thats why we know the Biblical truth and the catholics dont.
God is not the God of confusion, Thats why the catholic church is in error, The Bible says one thing And the catholic church says another thing, Bringing confusion to the true seeker. |
| God4me |
Posted - 08/07/2012 : 23:18:25
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
There you go again, SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE.
quote:
Originally posted by God4me
There you go again, SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE.
That is actually a blessing when the self-proclaimed "Greek expert" and "the sole interpreter of the Bible" is reduced to the pathetic level of posting one-liners ... just like that. The man is simply not able to engage the arguments and is shell-shocked to find that Catholics are not anything like what his pastor told him (namely that Catholics do not know the Bible, hate the Bible, blah blah) but here we see that Catholics are the ones who believe the Bible while the so-called "Bible-believers" don't believe it unless its meaning is twisted and given a different meaning.
1. For them, "this is my body" does not mean this is my body;
2. "My flesh is real food" does not my flesh is real food ...
In fact everything must be distorted before "Bible-believers" can believe it. For them, the Bible can simply not be trusted on its own merits.
[1]Stop telling lies, You naughty man.
[2]Stop twisting the scriptures, You naughty man.
The bread is symbolic of His body, Not His acctiall body. |
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