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| Chris Weimer |
Posted - 12/25/2005 : 12:50:10
I was wondering if anyone went to a Latin mass? Do they even have them anymore? I was saddened when I learned they gave that up years ago. |
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| Diana Holberg |
Posted - 07/07/2006 : 07:07:51
Chris,
If you're still interested:
Sancta Missa (a 1962 Tridentine Rite Mass)
I've also posted a topic in the General forum with other online Mass sites (not necessarily in Latin). |
| Lubellmac |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 09:34:11
quote:
Originally posted by Theophilus
Meant it as a joke--I find myself doing it whenever we sing something from the "St. Louis Jesuits."
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| Theophilus |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 08:38:03
Meant it as a joke--I find myself doing it whenever we sing something from the "St. Louis Jesuits." |
| Lubellmac |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 07:43:58
quote:
Originally posted by Theophilus
Lu,
If you offer these things up, you'll either go directly to Heaven, or you will help release thousands currently in Purgatory.
Thanks Theo for the reminder  |
| Theophilus |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 07:25:19
Lu,
If you offer these things up, you'll either go directly to Heaven, or you will help release thousands currently in Purgatory. |
| Lubellmac |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 06:35:40
Here's the latest update:
We went to Saturday's Mass as Cody was the altar server. I like to arrive about 20 minutes early so that I can spend the time in prayer and meditation. In the pew behind me was a lady and her mother. These two talked the entire time...although they were "whispering" it was loud enough for me to hear every word that they were saying. I had to bite my tongue, I really wanted to turn around and ask them to please be quiet.
Then someone opened up a can of something. It happens at every 5:30 Mass and it sounds like a coke being opened. Hopefully it's only baby formula, but I don't know why they don't put it in the bottle before going in for Mass.
Then during the middle of the homily, some lady's cell phone rang and she answered it.  |
| Diana Holberg |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:51:05
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Mazar
Just to show you that your statement that I can not be more than 22 years old is false I am old enough to remember the Apollo Moon Landing of 1969. To be precise I am 44 years old this year.
Robert, in that case, you have no excuse for behaving so rudely. |
| Robert Mazar |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 08:31:24
Diana,
Just to show you that your statement that I can not be more than 22 years old is false I am old enough to remember the Apollo Moon Landing of 1969. To be precise I am 44 years old this year.
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| Theophilus |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 07:16:21
"In the United States it is permissible to use materials other than natural stone for a fixed altar, provided these materials are worthy, solid, properly constructed, and subject to the further judgment of the local ordinary. Parishes building new churches must follow the directives of the diocesan bishop regarding the kind of altar chosen and suitable materials for new altars. "
So, Robert, it is the Bishop who makes the determination. Military bishops allow for a different kind of altar because of the unique conditions of military life. The Archbishop of Los Angeles may allow something that the Archbishop of Indianapolis doesn't. Here in Houston, I know of a church that had to postpone its dedication Mass because the Bishop did not accept the altar design.
So, Lu was absolutely correct in her concerns about something that is more like a table than an altar, since the Church's documents require an altar. If the Bishop allowed the table to be an altar, that is his call, though members of the Church may disagree. At the point a bishop decides that something is an altar, it is an altar, not a table.
In any event, calling her a stupid and insane moron was inappropriate, and you should apologize. If you cannot respond in charity, perhaps you should not respond at all.
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| Theophilus |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 07:10:48
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Mazar
Theophilus,
My Father stated that the table that was used for Mass on New Guinea during World War II was called a portable altar and thus you are totally wrong that a table is not called an altar.
Robert,
Sigh. We are talking about altars in Churches. I mentioned (having served in the Army and having been an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion in the Army) that rules are different there.
A fixed Church cannot have a temporary, portable altar. Exceptions may include multi-faith chapels on post and portable altars in the field (and portable Mass kits, as well).
Besides, if it is a portable altar, it isn't a table. So, Lu's point still stands. It has to be an altar--called an altar--and it has to be approved by the bishop. In the military, it would be the bishop of the military diocese.
In any event, the exception for the military doesn't extend to ordinary parishes with ordinary Churches that MUST, according to the Church, have an altar. |
| Diana Holberg |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 06:44:42
Robert,
I would really like to know your age. Based on your posts, I'm guessing it can't be more than 22 or so.
FYI, this is from the USCCB Committe on Liturgy document, Built of Living Stones: Art, Architecture, and Worship, the guidelines to be followed in the United States:quote:
The Altar
§ 56 § At the Eucharist, the liturgical assembly celebrates the ritual sacrificial meal that recalls and makes present Christ's life, death, and resurrection, proclaiming "the death of the Lord until he comes."70 The altar is "the center of thanksgiving that the Eucharist accomplishes"71 and the point around which the other rites are in some manner arrayed.72 Since the Church teaches that "the altar is Christ,"73 its composition should reflect the nobility, beauty, strength, and simplicity of the One it represents. In new churches there is to be only one altar so that it "signifies to the assembly of the faithful one Christ and the one Eucharist of the Church."74
§ 57 § The altar is the natural focal point of the sanctuary and is to be "freestanding to allow the [priest] to walk around it easily and Mass to be celebrated facing the people."75 Ordinarily, it should be fixed (with the base affixed to the floor) and with a table or mensa made of natural stone,76 since it represents Christ Jesus, the Living Stone (1 Pt 2:4). The pedestal or support for the table may be fashioned from "any sort of material, as long as it is becoming and solid."77 In the United States it is permissible to use materials other than natural stone for a fixed altar, provided these materials are worthy, solid, properly constructed, and subject to the further judgment of the local ordinary.78 Parishes building new churches must follow the directives of the diocesan bishop regarding the kind of altar chosen and suitable materials for new altars.
§ 58 § Although there is no specified size or shape for an altar, it should be in proportion to the church. The shape and size should reflect the nature of the altar as the place of sacrifice and the table around which Christ gathers the community to nourish them. In considering the dimensions of the altar, parishes will also want to insure that the other major furnishings in the sanctuary are in harmony and proportion to the altar. The mensa should be large enough to accommodate the priest celebrant, the deacon, and the acolytes who minister there and should be able to hold The Sacramentary [The Roman Missal] and the vessels with the bread and wine. Impact and focal quality are not only related to placement, size, or shape, but also especially to the quality of the altar's design and worthiness of its construction. The altar should be centrally located in the sanctuary and the center of attention in the church.
§ 59 § During the Liturgy of the Eucharist, the altar must be visible from all parts of the church but not so elevated that it causes visual or symbolic division from the liturgical assembly. Methods of elevation can be found that still allow access to the altar by ministers who need wheelchairs or who have other disabilities.
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| Robert Mazar |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 06:32:35
Theophilus,
My Father stated that the table that was used for Mass on New Guinea during World War II was called a portable altar and thus you are totally wrong that a table is not called an altar. |
| Theophilus |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 06:16:22
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Mazar
Lubellmac,
I am not ignorant of anything you stupid and insane moron. Even if it was a table it is considered to be an altar if it has a cloth on it.
a. Your lack of charity in your posts is unbecoming someone calling himself a Catholic or a Christian. You should apologize to Lu.
b. The issue of altars is that the Catholic Church requires CHURCHES to have altars, not just tables. It makes exceptions for situations like combat environments, where altars are not available, but the norm for fixed-location Churches is that they must have an altar.
c. It is the Church that determines whether it is an altar, not you.
d. Given b and c, you are indeed ignorant of the Church's teachings about the design of churches. That doesn't mean that you are stupid, but rather that you do not know the teaching.
e. I'd recommend a re-reading of the beatitudes. |
| alcovey |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 05:18:15
Robert,
So now you have to call people names on just about every post? But at any rate, what is done in exceptional times is different than how a church is supposed to be set up - there are actual rules to what is allowed and what is not. But beyond the bare minimum, it is about the sensus fidei - the 'supernatural sense of faith' a Catholic should have - since you do not believe in the Real Presence and have more of a Protestant sensibility, you would not understand why this would bother those with Catholic sensibilities. |
| Robert Mazar |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 03:57:17
Lubellmac,
I am not ignorant of anything you stupid and insane moron. Even if it was a table it is considered to be an altar if it has a cloth on it. When my Father was stationed in the Army in New Guinea during World War II they had Mass on the beach and they used a table for an altar and it is called a portable altar and thus I know a lot more about this subject then do. Remember that Mass can be held anywhere. It it not required that it be held in a church building. And if it can be held anywhere then a table can be used as an altar and it is considered just as much an altar as is a permanent altar in a church. |
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