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| michael |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 21:07:09
Love is self giving the opposite of love is using others & indifference is in the middle.
indifference is to be nether hot nor cold.
Loving is an act of the will using is an act of the will.
Covenant & contract
A covenant is a sacred family bond.
A contract is a exchange of goods or services.
Marriage is a covenant not a contract.
In a fallen nature people confuse a contract with a covenant & using with loving.
They love what they get from their spouse.
God is not interested in making a contract with us.
Jesus is not a indifferent contract between God & man.
God wants to give himself to us.
A marriage covenant both love.
When we love others we allow God to give himself to us.
Heaven is not a place space but a way of being.
Jesus is not a admission contract to a place from a indifferent god.
When we do good works under grace we allow God to give himself to us.
When Protestants say no works jesus already payed they turn a covenant into a contract
A covenant is a giving of persons just as the covenant of marriage is a giving of persons. |
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| baby3 |
Posted - 02/23/2012 : 14:58:40
True Faith but being a member of any organization does not mean you are in a covenant or not in one. Your heart is the covenant of God not anything else he wants your heart not your membership.Moses was a very good person and Noah and they were not in any organization they just gave their hearts to god and his spirit renewed them like Issiah "create in me a clean heart and new spirit Lord" He never asked which way do I go and what place do I pray. If you go in your closet and pray he will answer you,Pray in secret and he will reward you openly.B3 |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 02/19/2012 : 23:28:19
Ego is the root cause of the many diverse splits within Christianity, and the main cause of keeping many apart from the original Church that Christ founded.
And, yes, it can be a problem even for members of that original Church.
God is love. And that is why a covenant is better than a contract.
Jesus gave all of Himself for us, and expects no less from us. To be in that Covenant, we need to let go of ourselves and give all of ourselves to God, without reservation. |
| baby3 |
Posted - 02/19/2012 : 20:16:40
Wow! This is interesting Michael,Even,Faith,True love is Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross he was selfless,and wanted to give his all to sinners so they could enjoy everlasting life like he and the Father,in order to do this we need to let go of our Egos and humble ourselves and commit to each other with love and forgiveness,remember the Ego is the worst enemy of the humanoids,look it up and all your answers you will find. Blessings and Peace!B3 |
| michael |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 20:10:05
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by michael
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originally posted by evangelist
God is not interested in making a contract with us, because the covenenat is better and is made unto us unconditionally . meaning we just have to accept the covenant! wwwoooww!
You are confusing a contract with a covenant
A covenant is an exchange of persons.
You do not accept a covenant like you do a contract. You are confusing the word covenant with the wrong concept of contract
A covenant is not a impersonal one time thing like a contract, just as the marriage covenant is not a one time thing. It is not a one time act, marriage is a life long growing together of persons.
Protestantism’s one sided worldly understanding only understands the concept of contract & interchanges the word covenant for this one sided worldly understanding concept of contract.
Catholics have a personal relationship with God. Personal as in persons.
Protestants have a impersonal contractual relationship with God. Personal relationship as in selfish relationship.
A contract is an exchange of goods & services. Protestantism reduces the person of Jesus to nothing more than he was the goods & he did a service & the contract is over & done with.
Protestantism rejects understanding & chooses to subjectively redefine covenant to fit its self centered one way thinking.
Protestantism is not interested in a personal relationship where they are changed by sanctifying grace.
We are saved when our heart of stone is changed into a heart of flesh.
A heart of stone does not change into a heart of flesh through a contract. Works under grace is what changes heart of stone into a heart of flesh.
I just reposted what you quoted and agreed about the covenant we have with Jesus!
Why are you saying I am saying something different??
one love
You are confusing a contract with a covenant
A covenant is an exchange of persons.
You do not accept a covenant like you do a contract. You are confusing the word covenant with the wrong concept of contract
A covenant is not a impersonal one time thing like a contract, just as the marriage covenant is not a one time thing. It is not a one time act, marriage is a life long growing together of persons.
Protestantism’s one sided worldly understanding only understands the concept of contract & interchanges the word covenant for this one sided worldly understanding concept of contract.
Catholics have a personal relationship with God. Personal as in persons.
Protestants have a impersonal contractual relationship with God. Personal relationship as in selfish relationship.
A contract is an exchange of goods & services. Protestantism reduces the person of Jesus to nothing more than he was the goods & he did a service & the contract is over & done with.
Protestantism rejects understanding & chooses to subjectively redefine covenant to fit its self centered one way thinking.
Protestantism is not interested in a personal relationship where they are changed by sanctifying grace.
We are saved when our heart of stone is changed into a heart of flesh.
A heart of stone does not change into a heart of flesh through a contract. Works under grace is what changes heart of stone into a heart of flesh.
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 18:24:25
You agree with the covenant, but you don't quite get it.
Marriage is the covenant, and this example is used throughout the Bible as an example of the type of relationship God wants with out.
But you keep thinking one-night stand.
Grabbing a girl and making out in the back seat of a Chevy is not a marriage, and certainly not a covenant. Not even if you say you love her the whole night long.
Two people are not married until they have professed their love and vowed their commitment to each other before God and their Faith community. Until this happens, there is no Covenant. No marriage.
You want to just shack up and call it a covenant. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 02/14/2012 : 09:06:38
quote:
Originally posted by michael
quote:
originally posted by evangelist
God is not interested in making a contract with us, because the covenenat is better and is made unto us unconditionally . meaning we just have to accept the covenant! wwwoooww!
You are confusing a contract with a covenant
A covenant is an exchange of persons.
You do not accept a covenant like you do a contract. You are confusing the word covenant with the wrong concept of contract
A covenant is not a impersonal one time thing like a contract, just as the marriage covenant is not a one time thing. It is not a one time act, marriage is a life long growing together of persons.
Protestantism’s one sided worldly understanding only understands the concept of contract & interchanges the word covenant for this one sided worldly understanding concept of contract.
Catholics have a personal relationship with God. Personal as in persons.
Protestants have a impersonal contractual relationship with God. Personal relationship as in selfish relationship.
A contract is an exchange of goods & services. Protestantism reduces the person of Jesus to nothing more than he was the goods & he did a service & the contract is over & done with.
Protestantism rejects understanding & chooses to subjectively redefine covenant to fit its self centered one way thinking.
Protestantism is not interested in a personal relationship where they are changed by sanctifying grace.
We are saved when our heart of stone is changed into a heart of flesh.
A heart of stone does not change into a heart of flesh through a contract. Works under grace is what changes heart of stone into a heart of flesh.
I just reposted what you quoted and agreed about the covenant we have with Jesus!
Why are you saying I am saying something different??
one love |
| michael |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 08:10:40
quote:
originally posted by evangelist
God is not interested in making a contract with us, because the covenenat is better and is made unto us unconditionally . meaning we just have to accept the covenant! wwwoooww!
You are confusing a contract with a covenant
A covenant is an exchange of persons.
You do not accept a covenant like you do a contract. You are confusing the word covenant with the wrong concept of contract
A covenant is not a impersonal one time thing like a contract, just as the marriage covenant is not a one time thing. It is not a one time act, marriage is a life long growing together of persons.
Protestantism’s one sided worldly understanding only understands the concept of contract & interchanges the word covenant for this one sided worldly understanding concept of contract.
Catholics have a personal relationship with God. Personal as in persons.
Protestants have a impersonal contractual relationship with God. Personal relationship as in selfish relationship.
A contract is an exchange of goods & services. Protestantism reduces the person of Jesus to nothing more than he was the goods & he did a service & the contract is over & done with.
Protestantism rejects understanding & chooses to subjectively redefine covenant to fit its self centered one way thinking.
Protestantism is not interested in a personal relationship where they are changed by sanctifying grace.
We are saved when our heart of stone is changed into a heart of flesh.
A heart of stone does not change into a heart of flesh through a contract. Works under grace is what changes heart of stone into a heart of flesh. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 02/13/2012 : 05:03:25
Michael I must give you a reputation point on this thread and for my best topic about love!
Thank you for starting this thread and hope you get alot of interesting answers and observation on love and giving love to others , believers and unbelievers as well!
The most I like is your quote:
Covenant & contract
A covenant is a sacred family bond.
A contract is a exchange of goods or services.
Marriage is a covenant not a contract.
In a fallen nature people confuse a contract with a covenant & using with loving.
They love what they get from their spouse.
God is not interested in making a contract with us.
this is a unconditional love which we should have to our family and partner, but many don't!
But the good news is that
God is not interested in making a contract with us, because the covenenat is better and is made unto us unconditionally . meaning we just have to accept the covenant! wwwoooww!
one love
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