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| baby3 |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 01:51:41
 Can anyone really prove through history that the Catholic church is really the church of Jesus Christ? Can anyone disprove this and with facts??? I need real proof because I am about to die inside of me:( Show me!! |
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| baby3 |
Posted - 05/06/2012 : 14:42:01
I once went to a church to see if this would be the church I wanted to go to.The pastor was nice and his family but one day he was up at the pulpit and said there were some young people here this week begging me for food and car gas and I plain up front asked them "Do you work?" NO! Then you get nothing from me, nothing! And I sent them on their way. I found this heartless and never came back to his church as I know the Lord loves a cherful giver and we are not to be unfair, he never even herd their story just snaped and made his rightous decison they did not work, they did not eat! By the way he did not work either! B3 |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/06/2012 : 05:34:07
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Originally posted by mikejuli
oh really? mormons give scriptures for what they teach to. the circumcision group paul dealt with gave scriptures for what they preached too. anyone can manipulate the scriptures g4, your proof of that. but because they ignore the scripture, like you, they miss the actual meaning of it. they lack a valid tradition to explain those scriptures and so wallow in private interpretation, like you. and when they get challenged they push for the "infallible" claim, cause god forbid they might be wrong. it has been the laughing stock of all protestantism that they reject the papacy only to make popes of themselves. i say this is funny because they don't even see their hypocricy and neither do you.
and no i didn't mis interpret what that man said.. or the others who also repeated it.. just like i wont misinterpret you for saying the same thing. you judge the man as wanting money to buy booze and drugs and so justify your own greed. you make your own excuses to not give and use stewardship as a divice for your greed. we do have to be wise, but wise enought to know that we aren't psychics. not to mention if your afraid they might spend it on booze then do the christian thing and take him a sandwich or take them to lunch... to be honest i don't even care if they do buy booze with it. cause in reality i'm not giving money to a beggar but to god.. it's no different than giving money to televangelists or pentacostals who just want it to get rich with.
You did mis-interpret me,, If you know a beggar wants money for booz or drugs, You don't give to him.
Or if the Holy Spirit tells you that the man only wants money for booze or drugs, You don't give him any.
A beggar came up to me and asked for money for a meal, So I offered to take him in for a meal, But he said, No, don't bother.
He didn't want food, He wanted booze or drugs.
And that was problebly what the man you heard was saying. |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 05/06/2012 : 05:05:17
oh really? mormons give scriptures for what they teach to. the circumcision group paul dealt with gave scriptures for what they preached too. anyone can manipulate the scriptures g4, your proof of that. but because they ignore the scripture, like you, they miss the actual meaning of it. they lack a valid tradition to explain those scriptures and so wallow in private interpretation, like you. and when they get challenged they push for the "infallible" claim, cause god forbid they might be wrong. it has been the laughing stock of all protestantism that they reject the papacy only to make popes of themselves. i say this is funny because they don't even see their hypocricy and neither do you.
and no i didn't mis interpret what that man said.. or the others who also repeated it.. just like i wont misinterpret you for saying the same thing. you judge the man as wanting money to buy booze and drugs and so justify your own greed. you make your own excuses to not give and use stewardship as a divice for your greed. we do have to be wise, but wise enought to know that we aren't psychics. not to mention if your afraid they might spend it on booze then do the christian thing and take him a sandwich or take them to lunch... to be honest i don't even care if they do buy booze with it. cause in reality i'm not giving money to a beggar but to god.. it's no different than giving money to televangelists or pentacostals who just want it to get rich with. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 22:54:58
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Besides the fact that humility is central to the entire Incarnation...
Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
not only does the word of faith completely ignore this scripure (those naugthty men) but they teach others to ignore it as well by hiding behind stewardship. i have heard right over the pulpit that giving to a beggar is bad stewardship... i took their advice though.. i didn't give anything when the collection basket went around.. i figure if your gonna preach about living by faith then STOP BEGGING!
HEY, [Missed heaven mike] STOP TELLING LIES, YOU NAUGHTY MAN.
Even people who don't agree with the word of faith teachings, Admit they give scriptures for what they teach.
I bet you mis-interpretd what that man said, There are some times when you don't give to a beggar, Because all he wants money for is booze or drugs, So we have to be wise. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 22:50:25
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by God4me
THERE YOU GO AGAIN, Twisting what God is saying.
You diliberately left out, V17. NAUGHTY.
this is why bible thumpers are not to be trusted. hiding behind that left out verse again g4? what do you think it changes about what i posted.. do you think this means that you can not think godliness is a means to financial gain? if not then your point is pointless. (that's normal for you).. anyway i didn't leave anything out.. it had nothing to do with your twisting of the word of god.
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You cannot get away from the fact that God never changes, And He has made an everlasting covenant, And He has covenanted Himself to be our provider, The God who is more then enough, The God who gives us the power to get rich, So He can establish His covenatnt.
i have never tried to get away from that fact g4. i just don't see your conclusion as being biblical or valid. god isn't giving out power to get rich.. that's the devil who does that. jesus was even offered the world and said "get away from me satan" and that is what i tell the "word of faith" crew. the gospel isn't a get rich quick scheme so stop treating it like one.
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I for one won't hinder God blessing me abundantly with wealth.
Gal 3: 9, says we [The TRUE born again believers] are blessed with Abraham, And Gos blessed Abraham with ALL THINGS, In gold and silver.
We need to bring that into todays culture, And know that God will blessus financially.
Those who believe , And Receive, Those who doubt do without.
oh i won't hinder god blessing me either.. i'm just not going to build a doctrine on it. not am i going to try and bring any such think into our culture.. i'm more concerned that a person has faith than riches, that a person can be blessed even when they aren't rich. you so in love with the ways of the world i'm surprised that you even think about calling yourself a christian.. maybe you should go preach amway?
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All you have proved is, Either You don't know the Bible, Or you don't believe it.
Knowing you, I'd say both.
you don't know me so i'll excuse your ignorance as i always do. dimitte nobis debitta nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. (if you really spoke in tongues you won't need to look that up)
You could have saved all that writing and just said you don't believe the Bible, Because thats what you meant.
You don't believe Deur 8: 18.
You say that is the devil, Not God.
You really are inspired by the devil, That's because you have lost your salvation. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 22:46:13
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Originally posted by acumenCry
As I said before, many don't give like they should once they have the money. Instead, they lord it over the people, trying to buy everything they can in order to fill that void which God's heavenly treasure alone can fill. This is wisdom? No. This is using God for personal profit, then ignoring him once he has supplied said profit.
I didn't say anything negatively about rich Christians, just the ones who lose sight of what is right. Don't try to twist my words, naughty man.
True... It is in giving that we receive. I believe St. Francis of Assisi said that. But his interpretation of wealth was more like Jesus' than yours.
What the difference between what Assisi said and what I said.
How can his intrepretation of wealth be more like what Jesus said??. Whe he didn't believe in prosperity |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 20:21:47
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Besides the fact that humility is central to the entire Incarnation...
Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
not only does the word of faith completely ignore this scripure (those naugthty men) but they teach others to ignore it as well by hiding behind stewardship. i have heard right over the pulpit that giving to a beggar is bad stewardship... i took their advice though.. i didn't give anything when the collection basket went around.. i figure if your gonna preach about living by faith then STOP BEGGING! |
| mikejuli |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 20:17:52
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Originally posted by God4me
THERE YOU GO AGAIN, Twisting what God is saying.
You diliberately left out, V17. NAUGHTY.
this is why bible thumpers are not to be trusted. hiding behind that left out verse again g4? what do you think it changes about what i posted.. do you think this means that you can not think godliness is a means to financial gain? if not then your point is pointless. (that's normal for you).. anyway i didn't leave anything out.. it had nothing to do with your twisting of the word of god.
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You cannot get away from the fact that God never changes, And He has made an everlasting covenant, And He has covenanted Himself to be our provider, The God who is more then enough, The God who gives us the power to get rich, So He can establish His covenatnt.
i have never tried to get away from that fact g4. i just don't see your conclusion as being biblical or valid. god isn't giving out power to get rich.. that's the devil who does that. jesus was even offered the world and said "get away from me satan" and that is what i tell the "word of faith" crew. the gospel isn't a get rich quick scheme so stop treating it like one.
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I for one won't hinder God blessing me abundantly with wealth.
Gal 3: 9, says we [The TRUE born again believers] are blessed with Abraham, And Gos blessed Abraham with ALL THINGS, In gold and silver.
We need to bring that into todays culture, And know that God will blessus financially.
Those who believe , And Receive, Those who doubt do without.
oh i won't hinder god blessing me either.. i'm just not going to build a doctrine on it. not am i going to try and bring any such think into our culture.. i'm more concerned that a person has faith than riches, that a person can be blessed even when they aren't rich. you so in love with the ways of the world i'm surprised that you even think about calling yourself a christian.. maybe you should go preach amway?
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All you have proved is, Either You don't know the Bible, Or you don't believe it.
Knowing you, I'd say both.
you don't know me so i'll excuse your ignorance as i always do. dimitte nobis debitta nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. (if you really spoke in tongues you won't need to look that up) |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 05/05/2012 : 08:31:37
As I said before, many don't give like they should once they have the money. Instead, they lord it over the people, trying to buy everything they can in order to fill that void which God's heavenly treasure alone can fill. This is wisdom? No. This is using God for personal profit, then ignoring him once he has supplied said profit.
I didn't say anything negatively about rich Christians, just the ones who lose sight of what is right. Don't try to twist my words, naughty man.
True... It is in giving that we receive. I believe St. Francis of Assisi said that. But his interpretation of wealth was more like Jesus' than yours. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:38:39
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Originally posted by acumenCry
J-O-Y. I like that. :)
And you have a good point, not everyone is made to be rich.
Look at Solomon (1 Kings 3)... he made a selfless request for wisdom above health and wealth, and God gifted him with all three in a natural, yet divine design.
Solomon first sought wisdom in order to rule his people wisely, and the rest followed. Perhaps the reason so many filthy rich "Christians" don't give to the poor like they should is because, when God asks them what they wish for, they selfishly ask for the latter two (health and wealth) rather than first seeking wisdom.
God gave you a big enough clue with Solomon,
The wise get the riches that God gives.
And a wise man will believe what God has said about our prosperity.
The reason those so-called "filthy rich Christians" are rich, Is because they have learnt the principle of giving and receiving.
If you don't give you won't receive. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:31:47
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Originally posted by acumenCry
J-O-Y. I like that. :)
And you have a good point, not everyone is made to be rich.
Look at Solomon (1 Kings 3)... he made a selfless request for wisdom above health and wealth, and God gifted him with all three in a natural, yet divine design.
Solomon first sought wisdom in order to rule his people wisely, and the rest followed. Perhaps the reason so many filthy rich "Christians" don't give to the poor like they should is because, when God asks them what they wish for, they selfishly ask for the latter two (health and wealth) rather than first seeking wisdom.
True, Not everyone is rich, Only those who believe what God has said in His word.
Those who believe, Receive, Those who doubt, Do without..FACT. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:27:40
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Originally posted by baby3
Alan,I once use to dance all around my bills in a pile on the parlor floor and prayed to the North, South,East,and West for God to deliver me from the bills and help me financially.When he does not and you ARE BEING GOOD people turn from this because they don't feel good enough for your church and beliefs.They are to dogmatic if you are not healed you must have some hidden sins you didn't confess etc. Jobs friends were like this to him and what happened to them? You should know. Not everyone is made to be rich we are rich with the glory of God and the Blessed Hope we are rich in heaven where all our treasures await us where no man can steal your prize.In fact I am giving most all my stuff away because I find it only collects dust and someone else can enjoy what I did for a while.Someone could offer me a mansion right now and I would sell it to give to others that are in need in other countries.Hard work got me my bills paid and praying to God for guidance to live without so much.I know that life is more then material things God is a God of the poor,though I am not poor I am somewhat in the comfort zone because I have given and it has come back to me pressed down over flowing and running over did man give back to my bosom.You know the Beatitudes this is what the Lord so expressed after he fed the multitudes,he was more interested in others and was the Lamb if you look up the definition of lamb you will see he was not a beast or mean or hateful he told the truth and followed what was right because if you are going to even think of dying for anyone you need to practice obedience,that was the key in the success of everything Jesus did until death!Just the opposite of the first Adam,think about this:) God knows you and your heart and what your intentions are but Paul had intentions to, does that mean he was right in the eyes of the Lord? NADA! he was corrected because, Love is correction and obedience to God.
The Joy of the Lord!!
J-Jesus first
O-Others second
Y-You last! This is the Joy of the lord!B3
If you knew the Bible, You would know that God made an everlasting covenant, And He has covenanted To be God,our provider, The God who is more than enough.
And God our healer.
Every child of God should be healthy and wealthy, Or is God telling lies??.
You and the catholics think God is a liar, But I believe He told us the truth.
Those who believe in God's provision of health and wealthy, Have them, Those who don't believe, Don't have. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:19:17
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Originally posted by acumenCry
g4, your false prosperity gospel is contrary to Jesus' message of humility and is thus, another Gospel.
In high school, I knew someone who listened to those tapes that tell people to tithe a certain amount of money every week according to a formula in order to strike it rich. It's like voodoo. (The aforementioned person is still broke.)
You are like one of those people who line up every day, counting pennies to buy a lottery ticket... or the ones who flock like lemmings to spend all their money at casinos instead of on their families (like them, you are just making other people rich), holding on to faith in something that will never come. But Jesus never fails to supply us with everything we need. You have yet to cash in on your Jesus ticket, because you have confused "needs" with "wants"... you should trust in Jesus, instead - the real Jesus - not your little token Jesus whose belly you (figuratively) rub at night like a Buddha statue.
Look around you at all the broke and sick and dying people in your Pentecostal community. Preach the real Jesus, and see what happens. Though they may still be broke, and sick and dying, they will know God's love. And brother, God's love, with all the heavenly treasure it provides, is so much more fulfilling than your false hope in that which is perishable.
[1]Since when has the below been a false prosperity gospel???,
But there is always an abundant return on our giving.
Lk 6: 38. 2 Cor 9: 6--10. Phil 4: 15--19.
But like everything eles, The catholics twist the meaning.
The Bible teaches that God, Not only wants us to be rich, But has given us the power to get wealth to establish His covenant.
We [Born again Christians] are children of the living God, Did you ever see a Kings children poor??. NO..NO..So why would God want us to be poor??.
How can us being poor show a good God??.
There are enough scriptures in the Bible that prove we sould be rich.
What is false about that,YOU LYING EVIL NAUGHTY MAN.
why do you have a poor-mentality attitude??.
Being poor as you believe, Isn't humility, It's an insult to what Jesus died to give us.
[2]As for the tithe, See what God says in Mal 3: 10-12.
Then look at what God says about YOU, In v13--14.
And stop telling lies, YOU NAUGHTY EVIL MAN.
[3]As for My want's instead on my needs, See Mk 11: 24.
And stop telling lies, YOU NAUGHTY EVIL MAN.
[4]The reason whu some pentecostal people are broke sick and dting, Is because they have the same attitude as you do, And that is, They don't believe the Bible.
YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 23:03:23
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
G4Me,
When Jesus was alive, He promised His disciples and Apostles (in exchange for belief in Him or tithing for the Church) a new donkey, food at every meal, a long life absent of disease, a new house, leasure trips to foreign countries.
Right?
St. Paul was stoned and left for dead, stripped and beaten with rods, shipwrecked and adift at sea for a day and a half.
Almost all the Apostles were killed at the hand of the people they were attempting to convert.
God is not a slot machine with percentages based in your favor.
What has that got to do with what God has said????. WAKE UP DOZY.
It is ignorant unbelieving people like you who give God a bad name, As Rom 2: 24 says. |
| God4me |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 22:59:06
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Originally posted by acumenCry
Your war is within. Praying that you may one day truly be blessed with God's love and be able to catch a glimpse of the world through his eyes.
God has already blessed me with everything, And I see the world and God's WORD through His eyes. |
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