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| Conqueror |
Posted - 08/05/2012 : 20:51:37
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
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| Kamati |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 23:21:17
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
The problem is you don't know who you are in Christ, and also you don't accept the christian biblical gospel, and make n effect of the grace!
You have misidentified the problem. Every one here can see that the problem is you people not believing what the Bible says and even when you do believe it, you take only one verse to the exclusion of the rest of the Bible.
I like to give examples:
You do not believe Jesus when He says those who endure/persevere to the end will be saved .
You do not believe Jesus when He says my flesh is real food and when He says take and eat, this is my body .
Yet, you accuse us of not believing the Bible but give no examples.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
We take the grace in what it is and that is too good to be true and that is why you can't get pass legalism and a work performance system of your religion!
That is the same Evangelist who said if we do not perform works God will deal with us. In other words, he is accusing others of believing what he himself believes.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
You are stuck in a OT system and fight against anyone else who accept the NT bible way and freedom in Christ!
No example given ... because there is none.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
You are bound a slave to your own religion from Rome and anything outside of your vatican rome philosophy is from the devil!
O, anything outside of “Vatican Rome philosophy is from the devil”? And it is Evangelist who says so?
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
But your churchy is one with satan strong hold of religion on you and even mike on another thread question about being saved and doubt his own belief of salvation with his own word is proof enough you guys are not born again or saved!
Hmmm ... seems confused. After stating that anything outside Rome is from the devil, now he says Rome itself is a strong hold of Satan.
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Originally posted by evangelist
The bible is correct is that you will know who is the real sheeps by thier fruits!
Yes, but divisions and lack of humility was never mentioned as good fruits. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 07:04:10
Hi Evangelist,
I like the way you argue ... proving Catholics right all the way.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
In contexts all our future sins is forgiven just like in contexts we can see the trinity in the bible without the word being written in the bible.
If the absence of the word does not invalidate anything, then why do we have people complaining because they can not finds words like "Pope" and "Purgatory" in their Bible. Next time I will tell them what you said: namely that we can see things in the Bible even when the word is not there.
But you are wrong when you say all our future sins are forgiven because that would make repentance (and Revelation 2:5, etc.) superfluous.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
We don't go from confession to confession but to faith to faith, in belief that the blood of Jesus is still active working for us as keeping us in right standard with God. That is the faith to faith.
First you say Jesus is still active offering His blood. That is exactly what Catholics teach ... perpetual sacrifice.
Second, "faith to faith" is mentioned nowhere in the Bible, but confession is mentioned. What do you make of that? |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 06:00:46
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt![quote]
Jesus says some of those who boast of being saved will be shocked on Judgement Day to find that they were actually deceiving themselves. I sincerely hope you will not be one of them.
Oh, you never cared to read Matthew 7:22!
[quote]Originally posted by evangelist
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
That mean past ,present and all future sins we do as real born again saved redeemed, justified holy Christians![quote]
Even believers still need repentance whenever they sin (Revelation 2:5). Only Satan would have an interest in the false belief that all past, present and future sins are already unconditionally forgiven. You need repentance every time you sin and you have to endure to the very end, if not, you can still end up at a very strange place ... you know what I am talking about.
[quote]Originally posted by evangelist
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt!
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
Yes, all our sins are forgiven on condition we repent every time we fall short of the will of God. The belief that even our future sins are already forgiven “regardless” is not in the Bible.
In contexts all our future sins is forgiven just like in contexts we can see the trinity in the bible without the word being written in the bible.
We don't go from confession to confession but to faith to faith , in belief that the blood of Jesus is still active working for us as keeping us in right standard with God.
That is the faith to faith.
one love |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 02:40:39
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
I don't teach religion of any kind I teach and witness the gospel of Christ not protestant churchy theology or some other religion philosophy!
If you do not teach “religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father” then you are not fully Christian ... and please check James 1:27 before returning to the topic of religion.
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
As an Evangelist it all about Christ death, burial and resurrection and about John14:6, which shows Jesus is the truth not a religion at large like a CC claims!
Aha, you believe the Bible when it says Jesus is the TRUTH but you do not believe the Bible when it says the Church is the pillar and ground of truth. That is fatally inconsistent!
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
I teach and show what a born again person is like and who they are in Christ not a churchy malipulation legalized system of men!
The same complaint we read in Numbers 16 when Korah, Dathan and Abiram rebelled against Moses.
They, just like you, did not see why men would make laws and manipulate the people ... they wanted direct access to God.
So, thousands of years later, we have Evangelist saying exactly the same thing, thereby implying that Jesus wasted His precious blood buying a useless church and spent His precious time founding a useless church and then giving it powers to legalize (Matthew 18:18).
I think Evangelist can teach Jesus a lesson or two. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 02:39:23
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt![quote]
Jesus says some of those who boast of being saved will be shocked on Judgement Day to find that they were actually deceiving themselves. I sincerely hope you will not be one of them.
Oh, you never cared to read Matthew 7:22!
[quote]Originally posted by evangelist
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
That mean past ,present and all future sins we do as real born again saved redeemed, justified holy Christians![quote]
Even believers still need repentance whenever they sin (Revelation 2:5). Only Satan would have an interest in the false belief that all past, present and future sins are already unconditionally forgiven. You need repentance every time you sin and you have to endure to the very end, if not, you can still end up at a very strange place ... you know what I am talking about.
[quote]Originally posted by evangelist
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt!
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
Yes, all our sins are forgiven on condition we repent every time we fall short of the will of God. The belief that even our future sins are already forgiven “regardless” is not in the Bible. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/11/2012 : 02:38:54
quote:
Originally posted by acumenCry
Evan you teach your new age churchy. You hear a duck quack, and you call it a goat.
You are a manipulator, though by no fault of your own. You were manipulated by the system which wants to watch Christ fail.
It wants to see "Christians" sin without repentance. It wants to see "Christians" twist God's word to fit their own selfish desires as Eve did. It wants "Christians" to think they are the center of the universe. You are a victim of the same enemy that has plagued humanity since day one. You are a victim of the devil's pride.
You are no special Evangelist. You are no great witness. You are just a man who loves Christ, same as us, yet you claim to know him better than us... and that is a lie with which the devil has bound you.
The problem is you don't know who you are in Christ , and also you don't accept the christian biblical gospel, and make n effect of the grace!
We take the grace in what it is and that is too good to be true and that is why you can't get pass legalism and a work performance system of your religion!
You are stuck in a OT system and fight against anyone else who accept the NT bible way and freedom in Christ!
You are bound a slave to your own religion from Rome and anything outside of your vatican rome philosophy is from the devil!
But your churchy is one with satan strong hold of religion on you and even mike on another thread question about being saved and doubt his own belief of salvation with his own word is proof enough you guys are not born again or saved!
The bible is correct is that you will know who is the real sheeps by thier fruits!
one love |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 23:27:50
Evan you teach your new age churchy. You hear a duck quack, and you call it a goat.
You are a manipulator, though by no fault of your own. You were manipulated by the system which wants to watch Christ fail.
It wants to see "Christians" sin without repentance. It wants to see "Christians" twist God's word to fit their own selfish desires as Eve did. It wants "Christians" to think they are the center of the universe. You are a victim of the same enemy that has plagued humanity since day one. You are a victim of the devil's pride.
You are no special Evangelist. You are no great witness. You are just a man who loves Christ, same as us, yet you claim to know him better than us... and that is a lie with which the devil has bound you.
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| evangelist |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 22:51:23
quote:
Originally posted by michael
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How you like these verses which shows why the CC is so decieved, not even to know they can be saved instead of getting saved one day?
Ask any Catholic here from their own mouth are they right now saved, and born again, or have eternal redemption!
They will say they are hoping one day they might be saved but it is not a done deal like us born again christians now have in our spirits born of God!
Shalom
Hi Evangelist,
I think you asked me a very good question on the other thread as to whether I think that the Bible contradicts itself.
That question is applicable here.
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, salvation must be past, present and future: in other words, a life long process.
If you insist that salvation is a past event for the believer, then you have to ignore Bible texts that contradict such belief, like:
Philippians 2:12,
Matthew 10:22,
Matthew 24:13,
Titus 3:5-7,
Philippians 3:11-14,
1 Corinthians 9:25-27,
Romans 11:22,
And - last but not least - 1 Corinthians 4:2-5 where not even Paul was sure of his salvation, but you claim to be sure.
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt!
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
That mean past ,present and all future sins we do as real born again saved redeemed , justified holy Christians!
one love
True God does not lie but that has nothing to do with Protestantism's false assumptions of Gods words. You believe in & teach Protestantism's false assumptions.
Believing into a subjective belief does not make it objective truth.
I don't teach religion of any kind I teach and witness the gospel of Christ not protestant churchy theology or some other religion philosophy!
As an Evangelist it all about Christ death, burial and resurrection and about John14:6, which shows Jesus is the truth not a religion at large like a CC claims!
I teach and show what a born again person is like and who they are in Christ not a churchy malipulation legalized system of men!
one love |
| michael |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 20:54:05
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How you like these verses which shows why the CC is so decieved, not even to know they can be saved instead of getting saved one day?
Ask any Catholic here from their own mouth are they right now saved, and born again, or have eternal redemption!
They will say they are hoping one day they might be saved but it is not a done deal like us born again christians now have in our spirits born of God!
Shalom
Hi Evangelist,
I think you asked me a very good question on the other thread as to whether I think that the Bible contradicts itself.
That question is applicable here.
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, salvation must be past, present and future: in other words, a life long process.
If you insist that salvation is a past event for the believer, then you have to ignore Bible texts that contradict such belief, like:
Philippians 2:12,
Matthew 10:22,
Matthew 24:13,
Titus 3:5-7,
Philippians 3:11-14,
1 Corinthians 9:25-27,
Romans 11:22,
And - last but not least - 1 Corinthians 4:2-5 where not even Paul was sure of his salvation, but you claim to be sure.
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt!
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
That mean past ,present and all future sins we do as real born again saved redeemed , justified holy Christians!
one love
True God does not lie but that has nothing to do with Protestantism's false assumptions of Gods words. You believe in & teach Protestantism's false assumptions.
Believing into a subjective belief does not make it objective truth. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 13:51:03
quote:
Originally posted by Kamati
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How you like these verses which shows why the CC is so decieved, not even to know they can be saved instead of getting saved one day?
Ask any Catholic here from their own mouth are they right now saved, and born again, or have eternal redemption!
They will say they are hoping one day they might be saved but it is not a done deal like us born again christians now have in our spirits born of God!
Shalom
Hi Evangelist,
I think you asked me a very good question on the other thread as to whether I think that the Bible contradicts itself.
That question is applicable here.
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, salvation must be past, present and future: in other words, a life long process.
If you insist that salvation is a past event for the believer, then you have to ignore Bible texts that contradict such belief, like:
Philippians 2:12,
Matthew 10:22,
Matthew 24:13,
Titus 3:5-7,
Philippians 3:11-14,
1 Corinthians 9:25-27,
Romans 11:22,
And - last but not least - 1 Corinthians 4:2-5 where not even Paul was sure of his salvation, but you claim to be sure.
I have eternal redemption because I am born of God, and I beleive God doesn't lie so I believe His words better than mans doubt!
Also i believe and teach that all our sins are forgiven not just some!
That mean past ,present and all future sins we do as real born again saved redeemed , justified holy Christians!
one love |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 13:47:21
quote:
Originally posted by acumenCry
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by acumenCry
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
I am not here to be boxed in some theological corner.
Catholics are vicious
and like satan they will use anything to their advantage
You may judge if my words can be supported
by the revelation of God in the scriptures
Bless you child as you curse, abuse and commit the sin of calumny against Catholics.
Sometime the truth hurts , but it can set you free indeed!
one love
The truth has set us free. Oh yeah, you're talking to Con.
So are you believng on your society Roman catholic vatican that set you free and the vatican has the truth and nothing but the vatican truth like the Watch tower and JW say they are free from?
one love
You're silly, Evan. Quit putting dumb words in my mouth.
I just ask you a question the dum sum is up to your answer if any! 
one love |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 13:40:51
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
Is it possible that by refraining from many sins
diligently frequenting church and attending sacraments,
that Roman Catholics can still be in SIN,
pretending to be regenerated without being so?
Yes many many are like this!
2Th:2:9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Th:2:13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2Th:2:14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th:2:15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How you like these verses which shows why the CC is so decieved, not even to know they can be saved instead of getting saved one day?
Ask any Catholic here from their own mouth are they right now saved, and born again, or have eternal redemption!
They will say they are hoping one day they might be saved but it is not a done deal like us born again christians now have in our spirits born of God!
Shalom
Hi Evangelist,
I think you asked me a very good question on the other thread as to whether I think that the Bible contradicts itself.
That question is applicable here.
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, salvation must be past, present and future: in other words, a life long process.
If you insist that salvation is a past event for the believer, then you have to ignore Bible texts that contradict such belief, like:
Philippians 2:12,
Matthew 10:22,
Matthew 24:13,
Titus 3:5-7,
Philippians 3:11-14,
1 Corinthians 9:25-27,
Romans 11:22,
And - last but not least - 1 Corinthians 4:2-5 where not even Paul was sure of his salvation, but you claim to be sure. |
| acumenCry |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 12:36:45
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by acumenCry
quote:
Originally posted by evangelist
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
quote:
Originally posted by Conqueror
I am not here to be boxed in some theological corner.
Catholics are vicious
and like satan they will use anything to their advantage
You may judge if my words can be supported
by the revelation of God in the scriptures
Bless you child as you curse, abuse and commit the sin of calumny against Catholics.
Sometime the truth hurts , but it can set you free indeed!
one love
The truth has set us free. Oh yeah, you're talking to Con.
So are you believng on your society Roman catholic vatican that set you free and the vatican has the truth and nothing but the vatican truth like the Watch tower and JW say they are free from?
one love
You're silly, Evan. Quit putting dumb words in my mouth. |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/10/2012 : 11:43:55
quote:
Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Geez Evangelist.
Seems like certain denominations have Tourettes.
quote:
I hate dealing with a churchy or religious people based on scriptures,....
I've asked you to explain your OSAS - minus that one mortal sin - philosophy using Sacred Scripture and you're unable to that without entering into your third-person-removed realm of "born again spirit" (lowercased and not the Holy Spirit).
And, it's completely understandable why you have been forced to create that philosophy - outside of Christ's established Church.
Like I've said before, the various protestantisms have "gutted" Christ's sanctifying grace from His Sacraments:
Baptism - only a symbol
Reconciliation - unnecessary
Communion - only a symbol of a dinner that Christ ate with the Apostles
Confirmation with the indwelling Holy Spirit - 3rd person removed "born again (s)pirit" creation
Marriage - not a life long requirement
Holy Orders - every man should self interpret his Bible
Annointing of the sick - prep for miracles and if they don't happen then you must be a sinner and never were "born again"
A better understanding and revealing of truth would be a head start by dealing with a JW because they accept the authority of the bible better than any CC or even the mormons!
one love |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 08/09/2012 : 11:50:18
G4Me believes that its the depth of the water in the baptismal font which causes the symbol of baptism to be created.
Not that any of Christ's sanctifying grace is conferred (too Catholic).
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