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| Kamati |
Posted - 08/16/2012 : 10:18:41
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Originally posted by evangelist
You need to really ask the Holy spirit to reveal what John 3:16 really means to you!
1. Jesus left us teachers who teach in His name; with His authority; guided by the Holy Spirit. Deny that and you deny the Bible!
2. Jesus-appointed teachers are perfectly able to tell me what John 3:16 means because Jesus is with them always and the Holy Spirit guides them to the whole truth.
3. The only reason why you might not have those facts is because you keep turning your itching ears to deceivers.
4. John 3:16 means what it says, namely that "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."
5. Believing “in Him” includes observing all that Jesus commanded.(Matthew 28:19-20) ...
6. Lo and behold, that is exactly what you reject.
7. You pretend to believe “in Him” but you fail to observe all He commanded; in other words you do not really believe “in Him”.
8. Even when you go around boasting of believing "in Him", we know that in practice you reject Him. |
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| Kamati |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 22:53:51
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
And, what do you think happens to your "born again disconnected spirit" at the end of your life?
What on Earth, would Christ (fully human and fully God) want with that disconnected spirit?
According to you, that disconnected spirit isn't even you.
Evangelist believes he has two natures -- a sinful nature (body and soul) and a divine nature that is unable to sin. That is how crazy some belief systems are. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 22:47:52
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Originally posted by evangelist
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
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Originally posted by evangelist
Yes! all of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
Those two posts are from the same person. He makes several claims.
1. People sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
2. Born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness
3. All of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
In short, born again people sin more not only because of their unrenewed mindset but mostly because they have deceived themselves and believe that their sins do not affect their born again spirits. |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 18:11:26
Amen. If your body is not born again, your body will go to Hell. A born again spirit without a born again body amounts to nothing unless the body is fully conformed to Christ too.
Jesus was not just a spirit, Jesus IS the WORD made FLESH, and as He was in this World and beyond, so are we. FLESH and Spirit.
The Bible NEVER says that only part of us gets born again. It says that the whole person is born again. All or nothing. People like to make "ALL" seem like it is ALL important, until it is used against them, then suddenly when ALL BECOMES NEW, ALL suddenly does not mean ALL anymore.
The Bible never says that the sins of our flesh do not affect our born again spirit. Not once. Not ever. It is not even implied.
Paul pummelled his BODY to keep his BODY under control so that he would not be found unworthy and cast aside on Judgment Day. Paul says this plainly in the Bible. I will not cast aside any verses that are inconvenient to my beliefs, so I do not understand why others are so quick to do so. |
| bwellmysoul |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 13:21:47
And, what do you think happens to your "born again disconnected spirit" at the end of your life?
What on Earth, would Christ (fully human and fully God) want with that disconnected spirit?
According to you, that disconnected spirit isn't even you.
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| evangelist |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 11:39:49
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Originally posted by Kamati
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
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In other words, you sin because you do not know who you are in Christ and your righteousness. You stated publicly that you do still sin ... and according to your new-found argument, that means you do not know who you are in Christ ... right?
Yes! all of us sin with our soul and body, but born again people cannot sin in their born again spirits!
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| Kamati |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 08:59:21
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
one love
In other words, you sin because you do not know who you are in Christ and your righteousness. You stated publicly that you do still sin ... and according to your new-found argument, that means you do not know who you are in Christ ... right? |
| evangelist |
Posted - 08/27/2012 : 08:12:18
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers.
NO! people sin because of thier sinful nature as a unrenewed mind set!
Also born again christian sin more because they don't know who they are in Christ and thier righteousness:
http://player.multicastmedia.com/player.php?v=hw4vr1to
one love |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 08/26/2012 : 13:28:32
Amen. That would be a dangerous place to be. Fortunately, there is more to it.
People sin because they do not believe what Jesus taught. If people believed on Jesus (in what He taught and commanded us), then they would not go about committing sins and would repent immediately if they stumbled.
Jesus is Lord. What He says goes, whether we believe it or not. That is why Revelation mentions a number of different types of sinners going to the Lake of Fire and not just unbelievers. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/26/2012 : 09:30:16
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Originally posted by evangelist
But I think you mean the one verse I quote which sends a person directly to hell is this verse:
Joh:16:8: And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh:16:9: Of sin, because they believe not on me;
If that one verse sends a person directly to hell, then you are standing at the hell’s gate. I repeat: if not believing Jesus sends a person directly to hell, then you in serious trouble because:
- When Jesus says this is my body you do not believe Him;
- When Jesus says my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink you do not believe Him.
- When Jesus says His church is the final authority you do not believe Him ... those are just a few examples.
If John 16:9 sends a person directly to hell, then there is a very big possibility you are on your way to hell. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/26/2012 : 09:27:31
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Originally posted by evangelist
First of all Creflo is not my final authority ...
I am happy to hear that ... I already know that you are your own final authority and you bring Creflo Dollar up for opportunistic purposes only.
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Originally posted by evangelist
... even though we can hear other people just like we hear the gospel from other to preach to nations and witness to help people recieve Christ and the truth, but we need to be able to do our own home work and prove all things, and I do prove Creflo and many other by the spirit and by the word of God first place!
The bible does say test the spirits if they are true, and I rebuke, and reject those who are not like a pope or mormon president belief, or a JW society leader deception, or a muhammed and islam false god and false teaching in rejection of Jesus!
Just to make sure I understand you correctly ... are you saying that, after testing the spirits, you reject the pope who preaches that Jesus is God, but you approve Creflo Dollar who says Jesus is not God; who claims equality with God and who says the gospel is about having money? |
| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 09:14:16
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Faith is a free gift from God, that is why we are not judged on that score. It is our response that matters. That comes from us.
AMEN! and that is why not everyone is saved because they didn't use thier faith to recieve the grace!
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Grace came first as a free gift from God. Without that initial grace from God, none of us could choose Him.
And faith too is a free gift from God that we need to nurture and grow with God's grace.
Not all are saved because not all are willing to follow Jesus, preferring to remain as they were, in the slavery of sin. See Romans 2 for an idea on how God sees mankind.
Only the doers of the law shall be justified, and this includes the law written upon our hearts. It does not include our spirit only. A spirit cannot steal without using flesh and blood hands - whether or not it is born again.
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| Faith_at_Large |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 08:53:01
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Where in John 3:16 does it say that a believer does not have to put his or her trust in Jesus?
Where in John 3:16 does it say that one who believes does not have to obey God?
Where in John 3:16 does it say that one who believes only has head knowledge and not a living faith?
Devils believe...and tremble. Belief as mere head knowledge of Jesus and what He did does not save. Only an active faith will save. Only a belief that leads to living The Way, the Truth and the Life that Jesus gave us can bring us into eternal life with Him.
The context of the Bible affirms my interpretation. Otherwise, the verse would be lie.
you can use this straw man question in every passage, but this is not saying what John 3 :16 has said!
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What straw man? Oh, you mean the one you used to tell us what
John did not mean when he wrote that verse?
If I am wrong than Devils are saved.
After all you are claiming that this verse is an absolute stand alone statement - whosoever believes would have to include Satan and his minions UNLESS believing is more than just mental assent.
This is why context and proper authority is important. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 05:20:02
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Faith is a free gift from God, that is why we are not judged on that score. It is our response that matters. That comes from us.
AMEN! and that is why not everyone is saved because they didn't use thier faith to recieve the grace!
one love
That is how Evangelist keeps contradicting himself mercilessly.
He says works are not necessary but here he says action is needed ... and we all know that action is work.
So, Evangelist actually believes that we must do something (i/e/ use our faith) to receive grace. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 05:14:02
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Originally posted by evangelist
you can use this straw man question in every passage, but this is not saying what John 3 :16 has said!
Evangelist - who keeps telling us to understand texts in context - he himself refuses to understand John 3:16 in the context of the New Testament and the Bible as a whole. He wants us to believe that John has only one verse and that in the whole Bible only one verse matters (but do not forget that he also believes that a verse needs to be repeated at least twice to be considered for doctrine).
Now, when you try to force John 3:16 to teach sola fide, then you force John 3:16 to contradict the rest of the Bible.
Elsewhere the Bible says specifically not by faith alone and it also says faith without works is dead.
Why, then, is Evangelist preaching a dead faith -- a faith without works?
Well, perhaps because Evangelist is a pretender, not a real Christian.
Here are some examples:
- He rejects religion, ignoring the Bible where it encourages the practice of religion;
- He prefers faith without works even though the Bible says such faith is dead;
- He considers the Bible as his final authority and rejects the Church the pillar and ground of truth;
- He claims to be saved, rejecting Jesus’ teaching that those who endure to the end will be saved;
- By claiming to be already saved he is implying that he no longer needs the Saviour;
- He claims lack of time when asked to provide Biblical evidence, but has a lot of time to waste at atheist websites;
- He is a fun of Creflo Dollar who preaches that Jesus is not God; the same Creflo Dollar who claims equality with God and who preaches the love of money, contradicting Jesus. |
| Kamati |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 04:57:02
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Originally posted by evangelist
If you know what it means without the Holy Spirit why do you mistaken to add some kind of works and performances or action into the texts?
Because faith without works is dead! |
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