en-us Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:19:01 +0200 forum@oxle.com 60 Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion http://www.speroforum.com/forum/ Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion http://www.speroforum.com/forum/http://www.speroforum.com http://www.speroforum.com/forum/images/oxlerss.gif Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion RSS Feed 144 47 Should clergy be allowed to marry? lacy-1 @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6485&REPLY_ID=124639 General Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:09:25 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6485 Quote:
Thank you Faith, now the church has the authority to ordain these priests and that is fine, but if they mess up they are still bound in heaven and not loosed right? What happens to their souls for breaking their vows? I would that they never stay single and they get married for it is wrong for man to be alone and I can't stress this enough i realy cannot. lacy-1]]> past present and futures sins forgiven VS Penance jdubya @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6518&REPLY_ID=124638 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:02:39 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6518 Quote:
Here are two verses that appear to be in conflict. Please show me how you resolve them.

Heb:10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

sanctified here is a present tense participle, not a past tense verb or aorist. The literal translation should be "the ones being sanctified" or "those/them that are being sanctified". Indeed, many bibles use something similar. This is describing a process.

29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

Now sanctified here is an aorist tense verb, indicating a past tense event which means the person in question has already been born again. That is what the author is telling us. According to you, a born again Christian has his sins forgiven past, present and future. Well, not this person. Sounds like a momentary redemption, because this person was born again, and by continual and willful sin, he has fallen from grace and has been condemned to hell. The willful sins are not being forgiven which seems to explode your thesis.

Now its your turn to show me the difference in these two verses.]]> Mary lacy-1 @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6514&REPLY_ID=124637 General Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:00:52 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6514 Quote:
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At1ment, Thank you , I do believe she is all body and soul with her Son. You are right, why would Jesus not take the very heart of his heart? No He would, she is there all of her. God Bless you to lacy-1


Why is this not shown anywhere in the bible what happen to her soul and body??

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[:)]That is such an easy to answer question, now, if you had a millio0n dollars and was told to bury it where no one could fid it that would be up to you to find a place to do that, and Hope no one would find it, but you know deep down they would stumble upon it sooner or later. If Mary's body was left behind Father knew man would dig her up just to prove it was her, or to find out her DNA for their own doubting minds to be satisfied. They would proberly try to sell anything she would be burried with but FATHER TOOK CARE OF THAT ALSO. SHE IS WELL PROTECTED AS SHOULD BE SHE IS WHERE NO ONE CAN TAKE HER BONES APART AND EXAMINE HER FATHER TOOK HER BODY AND SOUL AND IF YOU REALY BELIEVE THAT cHRIST IS THE RESURECTION AND CAN RESURECT ANY ONE HE WANTS TO THEN YOU BETTER BE BELIEING THIS TO!
lacy-1]]> what is the gospel to Catholic; the power of God? michael @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6488&REPLY_ID=124631 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:22:33 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6488 Quote:
Jesus is Catholic.

You said "I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!"

I believe you because the roman catholic church that is in your mind & also in the collective mind of Protestants is totally different than the actual Catholic Church.

If the actual Catholic Church was exactly like the catholic church that is in the collective minds of Protestants even I would be against it.

Protestants just dont get it because Protestants spend all of their time trying to disprove the Catholic Church so they never actually see the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is hidden directly in front of Protestants eyes.

]]> Where is the true church? lacy-1 @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6484&REPLY_ID=124633 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:21:47 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6484 Quote:
To many leftists here for me.I know some Mormons and they believe in Jesus , but their trinity is not the same as Catholics,, or others. They see 3 persons ans seperate ones, and when you die you keep having children. no thank you. lacy-1]]> The Heretics Message to the World:Be Baptized to evangelist @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6342&REPLY_ID=124629 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:28:38 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6342 Quote:
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And this is accomplished through water baptism, so why do you say you agree with baptism being a must and then say that it isn't?

Or do you honestly believe that devils are baptized in the blood of Christ - after all, they believe, and more strongly that you.


But they don't have a relationship whatsoever and they don't trust in the Lord!

Demons and satan might believe in getting wet and believe doing religious rituals, but that is ANOTHER topic.

one love]]> water baptism or just belief? evangelist @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6343&REPLY_ID=124627 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:22:20 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6343 Quote:
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The Baptism of John was only a symbol of what was to come. Jesus promised that He would baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is what we see from the scriptures being given through the hands of Apostles. They do not baptize with the Baptism of John, but with the Baptism of Christ which endows us with the Holy Ghost.

John 7:37-39 "37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" [This you knew.]


Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."[This you routinely disregard.]


Acts 8:13-17 "14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost."[This you keep forgetting.]

Believing is not what brings down the Holy Ghost, or else the Church would not have needed to send Peter and John to give it to them. Only those who had been baptized in Christ's Name (by men baptizing with Christ's authority, which is what "in Christ's Name" means).

With the sole exception of Cornelius and his household who received a special and unique dispensation by God because they were the first Gentiles to be baptized, no Christian receives the Holy Ghost unless they are baptized into Christ, this is what happens with water baptism.

The problem is that while you speak of spiritual things, you are unable to recognize them. You only see the physical element of baptism and not beyond it to the extraordinary gift that Jesus sends with the water.

A blind man was healed with spit and mud so that we could see that Jesus can do anything with anything. So let Christ open your eyes and see beyond the water to the Holy Ghost that becomes the living water within you.


So now you have an eucharist baptism or the water turns into a magic pool or you become Jesus in the pool or when ghetting wet??[:0]]]> Evangelist tv teaching is going world wide evangelist @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=5952&REPLY_ID=124625 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:04:21 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5952 Quote:
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I never said that praying in tongues was bad, you are taking the topic off in a tangent.

I am saying that the ability of some Christians to pray in tongues does not make them greater than other Christians who do not. Indeed, Paul shows in your very quote that the gift of prophecy has more value for the Church. But each of us have different gifts, and if we are to seek what we do not already have, Paul wants us to seek the higher gifts - higher than the gift of tongues which he places near the bottom of his list. Any gift from the Holy Spirit is a wonderful thing, even the least of them is cause to be greatful, but do not exhalt yourself for having a different gift than some other Christians. We all have gifts from the Holy Spirit.


but tongue edify us and our spirit get to pray!



one love]]> what does RCC teaches James2 :10 means? evangelist @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6195&REPLY_ID=124624 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:00:25 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6195 Quote:
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We do not need knowledge to overcome sin. We need Faith. But make no mistake, we still need to overcome sin. Christ gives us the means to accomlish this.


Ho:4:6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children

one love]]> Is there such thing as a momentary redemption ?? evangelist @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6320&REPLY_ID=124610 Religious and Biblical Theology Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:18:43 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6320 Quote:
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grace teaches us to say no to sin.. ie to breaking the laws evan. grace is not an excuse to sin. it's not an excuse to do whatever you want because jesus is a push over. it doesn't make sin good. it should never produce the attitude that it's o.k. if i sin because jesus will forgive me later anyway. that is not grace in the bible but it is how modern sects, trying to sell the gospel for church membership, will portray it.


Yes our new born nature say always no to sin but our soul and body nature which is not from above say yes to sins over and over again.
That is why Paul made this statements:

Ro:6:1: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro:6:2: God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Ro:6:3: Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Ro:6:4: Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ro:6:5: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Ro:6:6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro:6:7: For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Ro:6:8: Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Ro:6:9: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Ro:6:10: For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Ro:6:11: Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

notice it say to reckon or to know, but not earn or merit, qualify, or self righteousness of good works of obedience to get God to accept us and lovee us.

You are saying something different than what paul is saying here!
You are not letting the bible get in the way of your philosophy!

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