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I have heard some christians say the earth is only 8.000 years or , or some say it can be not more than 10.000. Most science scholars and professors have proved it to be a million to billions of years. So who is correct,and why christian scholars can`t prove the science they are wrong??? I ask this question because I am studying a book my Mythology teacher has given me called the Myth of goddess evolution of an Image by anne baring and Jules cashford. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140192921/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9402487-9939037#reader-linkIt has hundreds of images of goddes worship and stories told by people of those time about the worship and beliefs and peace, and true love of those times. I was looking at a mother goddess Dolni Vestonice Czechosovakia which was the goddess of the world in 25,ooo-20,000 BC and many othe goddess before in the Bronze age. The thing that get me is why was there no wars at those times of goddess , or walls, rulers , or politics, , no weapons and etc??? Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented??? i have alot of question to ask along these lines which chriatianity can`t answer because it wasn`t even thought of at those times, and not even a male God was known, or invented. peace I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The earth is millions of years old. This is not at odds with Christianity, just the flawed, hyper-literal interpretation of the Bible that often accompanies fundamentalism.
"You have made us for Yourself, and our hearts are restless until they rest in You." St. Augustine of Hippo
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The earth is millions of years old. This is not at odds with Christianity, just the flawed, hyper-literal interpretation of the Bible that often accompanies fundamentalism.
so there is time for many religious changes to take place to adopt too and etc??
there is a great chance that so many pagan gods has been invented and worshiped and many pre pagan religion had to time to be processed into christianity, like a virgin mary, water baptisms, sacrifices,blood shed, belief systems and etc.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have heard some christians say the earth is only 8.000 years or , or some say it can be not more than 10.000.
Most science scholars and professors have proved it to be a million to billions of years.
So who is correct,and why christian scholars can`t prove the science they are wrong???
I ask this question because I am studying a book my Mythology teacher has given me called the Myth of goddess evolution of an Image by anne baring and Jules cashford.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140192921/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9402487-9939037#reader-link
It has hundreds of images of goddes worship and stories told by people of those time about the worship and beliefs and peace, and true love of those times.
I was looking at a mother goddess Dolni Vestonice Czechosovakia which was the goddess of the world in 25,ooo-20,000 BC and many othe goddess before in the Bronze age.
The thing that get me is why was there no wars at those times of goddess , or walls, rulers , or politics, , no weapons and etc???
Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented???
i have alot of question to ask along these lines which chriatianity can`t answer because it wasn`t even thought of at those times, and not even a male God was known, or invented.
peace
go check out hugh ross... he is an evangelical astrophyisicist who believes the earth is billions of years old... he points out alot of the errors that have been promoted by creation scientists.
as for the goddess mentality, it's bogus. i believe i pointed out a few goddessess that were quite brutal and evil. and women have been on the throne throughout history and yet there have been wars and walls. there were wars and weapons throughout the history of mankind that is just a sad fact of the fall.
mike
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The earth is millions of years old. This is not at odds with Christianity, just the flawed, hyper-literal interpretation of the Bible that often accompanies fundamentalism.
so there is time for many religious changes to take place to adopt too and etc??
there is a great chance that so many pagan gods has been invented and worshiped and many pre pagan religion had to time to be processed into christianity, like a virgin mary, water baptisms, sacrifices,blood shed, belief systems and etc.
there is a lot of time but not millions of years. as to whether or not you will find a pre pagan religion that processed into christianity, instead you will find a pagan world that is born again through christianity. i have to say it again but mythology only stregnthens the christian position. i would find it odd if suddenly in the middle of history the idea of god religion were to pop into existence.. instead we find that from the beginning man has been looking for god.
mike
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I have heard some christians say the earth is only 8.000 years or , or some say it can be not more than 10.000.
Most science scholars and professors have proved it to be a million to billions of years.
So who is correct,and why christian scholars can`t prove the science they are wrong???
I ask this question because I am studying a book my Mythology teacher has given me called the Myth of goddess evolution of an Image by anne baring and Jules cashford.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140192921/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9402487-9939037#reader-link
It has hundreds of images of goddes worship and stories told by people of those time about the worship and beliefs and peace, and true love of those times.
I was looking at a mother goddess Dolni Vestonice Czechosovakia which was the goddess of the world in 25,ooo-20,000 BC and many othe goddess before in the Bronze age.
The thing that get me is why was there no wars at those times of goddess , or walls, rulers , or politics, , no weapons and etc???
Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented???
i have alot of question to ask along these lines which chriatianity can`t answer because it wasn`t even thought of at those times, and not even a male God was known, or invented.
peace
go check out hugh ross... he is an evangelical astrophyisicist who believes the earth is billions of years old... he points out alot of the errors that have been promoted by creation scientists.
as for the goddess mentality, it's bogus. i believe i pointed out a few goddessess that were quite brutal and evil. and women have been on the throne throughout history and yet there have been wars and walls. there were wars and weapons throughout the history of mankind that is just a sad fact of the fall.
mike
my mythology teacher gave me this web site to study about the age of this world and go by some of these research sites to begin with which is tons of information on them.
http://www.evolutionhappens.net/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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http://www.evolutionhappens.net/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
if i were you i would just go to a science site that is reputable.. talk origins is an atheist site in my opinion and so what you get there is an agenda... haven't been to evolution happens yet but check it out.. there is nothing wrong with good science evan and for a long time science and religion have been at odds at it's extreems, but only at the extreems. remember that because when you get to the middle ground you find that evolution poses no threat to christianity and that there are many scientists that are christian have no problem with modern science as well as there are many non -religious scientists that have no problem with religion.. when you get your information from people that have an agenda such as the atheist or fundamentalist you always get a bias..
just my thoughts.
go to national geographic
or try;
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/
just so you know i used to be a firm fundie on creation, but have evolved ;) what i write above is from my own journey. hugh ross i mention because he is an evangelist who believes is an old earth and points out some of the problems with creation science. if you go anywhere just keep in mind that you are trying to see the science, what you want to avoid is anti-religion, or anti-evolution sites. if you feel that there is an "attitude" just leave...
also i would recommend investigating bedes site. i gave you some links to him already, had has had a few debates with atheists and i actually met him at a huge atheist debate site... i personally recommend him because i feel he has always been honest and he seems to point out the whole story and not overlook the embarrasing parts.
mike
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Originally posted by Evangelist
I have heard some christians say the earth is only 8.000 years or , or some say it can be not more than 10.000.
Most science scholars and professors have proved it to be a million to billions of years.
So who is correct,and why christian scholars can`t prove the science they are wrong???
I ask this question because I am studying a book my Mythology teacher has given me called the Myth of goddess evolution of an Image by anne baring and Jules cashford.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140192921/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9402487-9939037#reader-link
It has hundreds of images of goddes worship and stories told by people of those time about the worship and beliefs and peace, and true love of those times.
I was looking at a mother goddess Dolni Vestonice Czechosovakia which was the goddess of the world in 25,ooo-20,000 BC and many othe goddess before in the Bronze age.
The thing that get me is why was there no wars at those times of goddess , or walls, rulers , or politics, , no weapons and etc???
Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented???
i have alot of question to ask along these lines which chriatianity can`t answer because it wasn`t even thought of at those times, and not even a male God was known, or invented.
peace
evan, does it make one bit of different how old the earth is when you die and leave this earth? What will it matter whether the earth was 8000 years old or 1 million years old when you leave it? Will it change your eternal destiny whether you can PROVE how old it is or not? WHy do you concern yourself with such things ... they are only getting in the way of finding your true self in Christ...perhaps the 'evil one' is busy at work trying to divert you so that you WON'T be able to discover Truth and lead you down the road to destruction. I know you know that in the scriptures, this is the mission of the evil one. To deceive as many as possible. Evan, WHY all the mythology garbage...I studied it in college many years ago as well..it's good for studying, but you have elevated this mythology teacher and what you think he knows as your new 'god'. Evan, don't go down that path...WHY? Don't lose faith...faith is ALL YOU HAVE! 
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thank for that link to evolution and the films were very good, i watch them all,wow.
God Bless
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evan, you said:
"Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented???"
Do you believe in the Bible? Have you not read the bible? The first verse of Genesis says, "In the BEGINNING God created the heaven and the earth" - this is no myth. It happened - we live oan the Earth that God created - in the beginning.
God did not just appear on the scene as some would have us belive. God was here before everything - even those that called themselves god in mythology. He caused everthing to happen. He is and has always been Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent - He is the BEGINNING and the END.
What does the age of the earth have to do with anything? It is as old as it is and God knows how old it is.
Mythology and Christianity don't mix. They are opposing forces.
Faith and trust in the Living God matters. Don't let yourself be influenced by those that seek to deceive you.
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This thread speaks of the earth being millions, billions of years old. I would like to know how long man has been on this earth. The last reply suggests that God created the earth and has been here as long as the earth has been here. I figure being as God's time is a great deal different than our time, God was around a long time before the earth.
I am most interested in how long human beings have been around.
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Evan, you said:
"Why only when the mascular God came into existance everything turn backwards, and even slavery was invented by the male gods, and blood shed was invented???"
Do you believe in the Bible? Have you not read the bible? The first verse of Genesis says, "In the BEGINNING God created the heaven and the earth" - this is no myth. It happened - we live oan the Earth that God created - in the beginning.
God did not just appear on the scene as some would have us belive. God was here before everything - even those that called themselves god in mythology. He caused everthing to happen. He is and has always been Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent - He is the BEGINNING and the END.
What does the age of the earth have to do with anything? It is as old as it is and God knows how old it is.
Mythology and Christianity don't mix. They are opposing forces.
Faith and trust in the Living God matters. Don't let yourself be influenced by those that seek to deceive you.
Do you know where the myth of Adam and eve came from??
Have you research about the creation story in Gen 1 to see if anything was before that story??
I have and was shock it is not taught in the church or in Christiainty , but I know that would destroy many religious leaders , christiainity and the bible, so it is still under cover and a secret to those ingnorant and simple minded to search the truth.
BTW i have read and studied the bible for about 42 years in whole, but in a constant study was done in the last 9 years every day with meditation of the scriptures, and bible principles which most people don`t use or know how too use it.
my Mythology teacher is sending me information on Eve and how the myth of her was invented and who wrote and created the story of her and Adam and the garden and why.
i read part of the information and history , but i must research and get at least some of the many resouse information and facts, and proofs, something i see most Christians don`t do or invent thier time in doing except just believe and say things are wrong with out knowledge and study.
you need to take a look at the link from mikejuli it might help you to understand a little on evolution which christianity goes against in many ways.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Do you know where the myth of Adam and eve came from??
Have you research about the creation story in Gen 1 to see if anything was before that story??
I have and was shock it is not taught in the church or in Christiainty , but I know that would destroy many religious leaders , christiainity and the bible, so it is still under cover and a secret to those ingnorant and simple minded to search the truth.
please elaborate on what you are saying here. what was not taught in the church, and why.
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BTW i have read and studied the bible for about 42 years in whole, but in a constant study was done in the last 9 years every day with meditation of the scriptures, and bible principles which most people don`t use or know how too use it.
my Mythology teacher is sending me information on Eve and how the myth of her was invented and who wrote and created the story of her and Adam and the garden and why.
this should be interesting.
find a book called eternity in their hearts. you may be able to find it in a christian book store.
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i read part of the information and history , but i must research and get at least some of the many resouse information and facts, and proofs, something i see most Christians don`t do or invent thier time in doing except just believe and say things are wrong with out knowledge and study.
this is one problem you need to address evan... and i only say this because i did the same thing... but you have to stop lumping all christians into this category of your own personal failure to know things... right now you are having a rude awakening to many of the problems with your worldview, theology and understanding of history... you have to stop accusing the rest of christianity of your own failure to do the homework. while it is true that there are many who never look beyond their faith there are also many who do and either way it doesn't matter... what does is that you yourself have neglected these and are now finding that you did not know as much as you thought you did. you have to deal with yourself and not lump everyone else in with you.
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you need to take a look at the link from mikejuli it might help you to understand a little on evolution which christianity goes against in many ways.
wrong.. christianity doesn't go against evolution... there are however certain groups of christians that do.. don't blanket over the whole of christianity just because there are a few loudmouths pushing their own scientific agenda.
mike
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this is one problem you need to address evan... and i only say this because i did the same thing... but you have to stop lumping all christians into this category of your own personal failure to know things... right now you are having a rude awakening to many of the problems with your worldview, theology and understanding of history... you have to stop accusing the rest of christianity of your own failure to do the homework. while it is true that there are many who never look beyond their faith there are also many who do and either way it doesn't matter... what does is that you yourself have neglected these and are now finding that you did not know as much as you thought you did. you have to deal with yourself and not lump everyone else in with you.
Great observation and advice.
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Do you know where the myth of Adam and eve came from??
Have you research about the creation story in Gen 1 to see if anything was before that story??
I have and was shock it is not taught in the church or in Christiainty , but I know that would destroy many religious leaders , christiainity and the bible, so it is still under cover and a secret to those ingnorant and simple minded to search the truth.
please elaborate on what you are saying here. what was not taught in the church, and why.
Well the story of Eve was also explained in the book http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0140192921/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9402487-9939037#reader-link
on page 487 through 491 and it was the name Eve the mother of all living.
the story in the garden also with the serpent was shown in a figure story painting, and drawing from the sumerian cylinder seal 2500 BC.
Later Jews and christians and religious leaders have change the myth to fit thiér beliefs as well as Islam .
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this should be interesting.
find a book called eternity in their hearts. you may be able to find it in a christian book store.
Is this written by a christian author?
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you have to stop accusing the rest of christianity of your own failure to do the homework. while it is true that there are many who never look beyond their faith there are also many who do and either way it doesn't matter... what does is that you yourself have neglected these and are now finding that you did not know as much as you thought you did. you have to deal with yourself and not lump everyone else in with you.
This is why I was afraid from the beginning looking beyound by belief, so I don`t run into finding out how christianity is a decieving system made to put people into religious slavery and hate secretly and make the religons look ingredible.
My teacher is showing me how the catholic church has changed so much of history and the truth , that they even had to kill and throw people out the church who didn`t go along with the change and knew the facts and truth like tertullian,Justin martyr, Clement of Alexandria or specially Origin who were as my teacher said which I must research are Gnostics.
BTW my teacher said Gnotic started around 52 AD.
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there are however certain groups of christians that do.
I am glad you were honest to say this than to say I am completly wrong and maybe lieing.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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this is one problem you need to address evan... and i only say this because i did the same thing... but you have to stop lumping all christians into this category of your own personal failure to know things... right now you are having a rude awakening to many of the problems with your worldview, theology and understanding of history... you have to stop accusing the rest of christianity of your own failure to do the homework. while it is true that there are many who never look beyond their faith there are also many who do and either way it doesn't matter... what does is that you yourself have neglected these and are now finding that you did not know as much as you thought you did. you have to deal with yourself and not lump everyone else in with you.
AMEN! 
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