Beware of the 'Christian' zionist cult!
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Grace Halsell, who regards the movement as [color=red]a cult[/color], asks: �What is the message of the Christian Zionist? Simply stated it is this: every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported, and even praised by the rest of us.' more...
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Oh the cult is upset since Shamgar is a master of the facts and the cult is a master being a victim of propaganda from the cults. . . . hahahhaaaaaa. . ..
The Crusades marked a new and worsened relationship between the Jews and the Church, one that would not improve as long as anti-Semitic activities were sanctioned by Church officials.
The Jewish Almanac: Traditions, History, Wisdom, Achievements. Complied and Edited by Richard Siegel and Carl Rheins. (New York: 1980) . Page 137.
As we have already said, they cannot endure to hear or to see that we accursed Goyim should glory in the Messiah as our chemdath, and that we are as good as they are or as they think they are. Therefore, dear Christian, be advised and do not doubt that next to the devil, you have no more bitter, venomous, and vehement foe than a real Jew who earnestly seeks to be a Jew.
Luther's Works: The Christian In Society IV. Vol 47. American Edition. Edited by Franklin Sherman. (Philadelphia: 1981) ISBN: 0-8006-0347-8. Page 217.
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You haven't a clue what you are talking about, Shamgar. You don't even know what a cult is.
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You haven't a clue what you are talking about, Shamgar. You don't even know what a cult is.
hahahahahahaaaaaa past or present your antisemitism follows you like a bad odor. . . . cult. . . .
Therefore, it [propaganda] should be confined to intentions, to the moral realm, to values, to generalities. And if some angry man were to point out the contradictions, in the end his arguments would carry no weight with the public. Propaganda is necessarily false when it
speaks of values, of truth, of good, of justice, of happiness – and when it interprets and colors facts and imputes meaning to them. It is true when it serves up the plain fact, but does so only for the sake of establishing a pretense and only as an an example of the interpretation that it supports with fact.
Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 59.
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The sum of this anti-Semitic demonlogy was that Jews, by design or ignorance, had used the movies to undermine traditional American values. As one antagonist put it, "It is only because they [the Hollywood Jews] are outside the moral sphere of American culture that they blunder so badly that they require periodic campaigns such as that of the Legion of Decency [a Catholic reform group] to set them right.”
Neal Gabler , “An Empire of Their Own : How the Jews Invented Hollywood” `(New York: 1988) page 2.
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Most Catholics I know are not Zionist. That is predominantly an Evangelical thing.
Oh how the cult is deceived again. . .oh how they bow down to the anti-Christ. . . .go figure. . .
3. Many of us assumed that Christian Zionism exists in fundamentalist and Evangelical churches only. Upon closer observation, we discovered that in reality Christian Zionism has permeated Christians within mainline churches as well among Catholics and the Orthodox in various level and forms. It is an unconscious and superficial response to any Bible reading by people who have not the benefit of theological education or have not studied the Bible carefully and so accept things uncritically simply because they are written in the Bible. This means that our problem is not only with extremist evangelicals; it is with good hearted but ignorant Christians who need to be informed and educated.
Ateek, Naim, et al editors. “Challenging Christian Zionism: Theology, Politics and the Israel-Palestinian Conflict” (London:2005) Page 16.
Edited by Shamgar on 05/24/2006 07:36:00
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3. Many of us assumed that Christian Zionism exists in fundamentalist and Evangelical churches only. Upon closer observation, we discovered that in reality Christian Zionism has permeated Christians within mainline churches as well among Catholics and the Orthodox in various level and forms. It is an unconscious and superficial response to any Bible reading by people who have not the benefit of theological education or have not studied the Bible carefully and so accept things uncritically simply because they are written in the Bible. This means that our problem is not only with extremist evangelicals; it is with good hearted but ignorant Christians who need to be informed and educated.
Ateek, Naim, et al editors. “Challenging Christian Zionism: Theology, Politics and the Israel-Palestinian Conflict” (London:2005) Page 16.
I agree with that. I think Americans in general, not just Christians, tend to be very sympathetic to Zionism. While it may have crept into certain quarters, historically Catholicism, Orthodoxy & Mainstream Evangelicals have not taught Christian Zionism, and I don't believe it is only because they were anti-Semitic (though some may have been).
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While it may have crept into certain quarters, historically Catholicism, Orthodoxy & Mainstream Evangelicals have not taught Christian Zionism, and I don't believe it is only because they were anti-Semitic (though some may have been).
hahahahaha another swing and a miss. . . from the cult. . . . I wonder if the catholics enmass believed in a form of 'jewish blood guilt' prior to vatican 2. . . . .
Gaebelein [Arno C. Gaebelein] believed that Jews were still under a “national blood-guiltiness” for killing Christ, a stigma that could not be wiped away until the second coming and the Jews' repentance for it.(21) Even then, more Jews would be lost than saved. He held out the most hope for the Orthodox. During the great tribulation, after the church had been raptured, “the orthodox Jews who have held on to the faith of their fathers, who pray for the coming of the Messiah King, whose eyes are [now] blinded that they cannot see, from the veil will be removed.” They are the prophesied remnant that international Jews, the political-financial schemers, the lawless elements, who ridicule and hate religion of any kind and are atheists . . . these Jews will worship the beast. They reject the true Christ and accept the false Messiah.”(22) They are doomed, and rightly so.(23)
Timothy P. Weber, “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend” (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 136.
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You're all over the map - just looking for something to stick. Can you provide official Catholic sources that show the Catholic Church is either Christian Zionist or Anti-Semitic? The Church condemns both errors but you would have it be guilty of both!
Do you even know what a cult is?
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You're all over the map - just looking for something to stick.
All over the map and the bombing has 100% direct hits. . . .
Those who had see the nonaggression pact as the beginning of the northern confederacy were stunned. In response to this reversal of fortunes, there was “just one big awkward silence” from the prophetic experts.(88) One exception was the Weekly Evangel: “There are some prophets who are suffering no casualties. They are inspired writers of Bible prophesy. Their words shall be fulfilled. We may err when we forecast just how and when they will be fulfilled, but God's own time the entire prophetic plan shall be complete.
Timothy P. Weber, “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend” (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 92-93.
Because the acquisition of more territory was part of the divine plan, most dispensationalists saw no reason to dwell on the ethical implications of Israeli actions in the Middle East, though some Bible teachers warned against adopting an “ends justifies the means” attitude concerning everything that happened in the Holy Land. Despite the often messy complications of the founding and expansion of Israel, dispensationalists were sure that everything was finally in place for the playing out of history's last phase.
Timothy P. Weber, “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend” (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 158.
As the coming of a Jewish state looked inevitable, most dispensationalists were willing to make the needed adjustment in their interpretation. The Sunday School Times early concluded that the Jewish restoration included an initial return in unbelief.(37) Even Arno C. Gaebelein, who for years had insisted that Zionism was not the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, was willing to endorse a Zionist stat3e as a first step toward the authentic fulfillment: “That the Jewish people will be restored to the land in the end is inevitable, since God has so decreed in His Word (Jer 23:7-8). That restoration will be a restoration in faith. Now the Jews are seeking to go to Palestine in unbelief. Is there Scripture that leads us to suppose that their efforts will succeed? Yes, although we do not know when it will be.”(38)
Timothy P. Weber, “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend” (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 169.
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As a non-Christian, anti-Zionist, Jew by ancestry, I hereby find Shamgar guilty of blind ignorance and perpetually unwilling to provide facts when requested of him, instead merely spouting off opinions without citations from a book unrelated to the subject matter at hand.
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I think I almost prefer Shamgar's "comics"
Anyway, I was just curious...Shamgar, and this is a serious question, what do u think of the two young girls (Prussian Blue) who seem to be singing songs that more or less support ur point of view with regards to zionism?
Here's the article...I suspect u might have their CDs?
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=2205
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As a non-Christian, anti-Zionist, Jew by ancestry, I hereby find Shamgar guilty of blind ignorance and perpetually unwilling to provide facts when requested of him, instead merely spouting off opinions without citations from a book unrelated to the subject matter at hand.
As a Christian Shamgar proclaims the jew as an antichrist. . .
“For many deceivers HAVE entered into the world, who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. This is the DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:7-9
“Young ones, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the Antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW MANY ANTICHRISTS HAVE RISEN UP, from which you know that it is a last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they left so that it might be revealed that they all are not of us.” I John 2:18-19
“By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is THE ANTICHRIST YOU HEARD IS COMING, AND EVEN NOW IS ALREADY IN THE WORLD.” 1 John 4:2-3
“And when Silas and Timothy had come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit and testified to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. And they resisting and blaspheming, shaking his garment, he said to them, Your blood is on your own heads. I am pure from it . From now on I will go to the nations.” Acts 18:5-6
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Matthew 27:25
As we have already said, they cannot endure to hear or to see that we accursed Goyim should glory in the Messiah as our chemdath, and that we are as good as they are or as they think they are. Therefore, dear Christian, be advised and do not doubt that next to the devil, you have no more bitter, venomous, and vehement foe than a real Jew who earnestly seeks to be a Jew.
Luther's Works: The Christian In Society IV. Vol 47. American Edition. Edited by Franklin Sherman. (Philadelphia: 1981) ISBN: 0-8006-0347-8. Page 217.
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I think I almost prefer Shamgar's "comics"
Anyway, I was just curious...Shamgar, and this is a serious question, what do u think of the two young girls (Prussian Blue) who seem to be singing songs that more or less support ur point of view with regards to zionism?
Here's the article...I suspect u might have their CDs?
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=2205
hahahahhaa I suspect you are using the granfalloon to hide your racist, xenophobic and intolerant God hating tendancies. . . . which only proves that "free speech" is a lie. . . . .get a bigger paint brush on your smear campaigns drone. . ..
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So now we see who the anti-Semitic and racist is. Good going, as***le.
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