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Which prot/evan denomination [or non denomination] is the pillar and foundation of truth? 1 tim. 3 15
Assemblies of God Lutheran Southern Baptist Independent Baptist
Vineyard Calvary Chapel
Ill let some one else add a few more if they want.
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That's a hard question and one I don't know how many will try to answer. I, too, would be curious how they reconcile that verse. I've only heard one Protestant try to explain it, and for him, it meant the local church that was anchored in the Bible (that way it really meant the Bible was the pillar and foundation.)
John Martignoni has an excellent teaching on this subject in which he asks the question and then logically follows out all the different answers as to which Church is the Church described in the Bible, what are it's characteristics and what we should expect it to look like.
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One Church
Have you ever heard someone say that it doesn't matter which Church you go to...as long as it's Christian? John shows why this attitude is not logical and is not biblical. He will show, from the Bible, that Jesus did not intend for there to be 25,000+ churches and denominations - that there is one, and only one, Church.
It's amazing to me that I never saw it for all those years, but logically, there can't be thousands of individual groups with varying degrees of agreement all be right and all be the pillar and foundation.
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I've been meditating on what it means to be in communion with the Church.
One of the many blessings is to be able to look back to any century in history, whether it be 50 AD, 150 AD, 250 AD, 350 AD, 650 AD, 1250 AD, 1950 AD, etc, and be able to say 'that is my Church!' There is a wonderful continuity not only in actual history, but also theology and philosophically. Those who focus on the externals often miss that point, but in it's core essentials, there is amazing consistency.
Justin Martyr, in 150 AD described the Christian order of worship thusly:
Chapter LXVI.-Of the Eucharist.
And this food is called among us Eucharistia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.
Chapter LXVII.-Weekly Worship of the Christians.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.
St. Justin Martyr's, Firrst Apology
Hey, check out this blast from the past.
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ROFL... I can't help but laugh at that thread!  I actually do miss Thunderstick and Schrack...
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Which prot/evan denomination [or non denomination] is the pillar and foundation of truth? 1 tim. 3 15
Assemblies of God Lutheran Southern Baptist Independent Baptist
Vineyard Calvary Chapel
Ill let some one else add a few more if they want.
Any church that preaches the gospel is fulfilling 1 Tim 3:15. Both pillar and foundation mean support. The purpose of the church is to support the truth which is Gods word.
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So, in your view, that passage means the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth?
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Which prot/evan denomination [or non denomination] is the pillar and foundation of truth? 1 tim. 3 15
None, and all. None in totality, all true churches together.
The ekklesia which is the pillar and foundation of truth is one, holy, catholic (small 'c'), apostolic and invisible. It cannot be bound or defined by any lone denomination.
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unimackpass WROTE:Which prot/evan denomination [or non denomination] is the pillar and foundation of truth? 1 tim. 3 15 Assemblies of God Lutheran Southern Baptist Independent Baptist Vineyard Calvary Chapel
I agree that there is only one church since I believe that Jesus alluded to what a church is when he said: "He who loves me, keeps my commands, the same is my brother and my sister". I realize that I am paraphrasing his words however this statements has several implications in relationship to what a family is and how that family is related to Christ which in essence is the foundation and truth of the one true church of Jesus Christ.
Buildings and denominations are not mentioned by Jesus and so by his words we can reasonably infer that ANYONE who loves Jesus by keeping his commands is a part of his ONE church no matter where they live or what building they go to every Sunday to worship God.
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How can thousands of churches each teaching something different be viewed as the "pillar and foundation of truth"?
(Sounds dangerously close to relativism to me...)
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Originally posted by Diana Holberg
How can thousands of churches each teaching something different be viewed as the "pillar and foundation of truth"?
(Sounds dangerously close to relativism to me...)
Because they don't teach something different in regards to
--whom Jesus was
--the basic elements of His teaching
--the signifigance of His death
--the occurance of His resurrection
--the basic responsibilities of His followers
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What was the church at the time Paul wrote this?
Lets see the church at Corinth, the church at Phillipi, the church at Galatia, the church at Ephesis the curch at ......
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So, in your view, that passage means the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth?
Hi Allen,
No, the bible doesn't support the truth the bible is truth:
John 17: 17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
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Originally posted by Child of God
No, the bible doesn't support the truth the bible is truth:
So 'pillar and foundation' means they 'support' the truth - as in moral support?
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John 17: 17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jesus is the Word.
Rhema and Logos are the Word.
The Sacred Scriptures are the Word.
Any word that proceeds from the mouth of God is the Word.
Thy Word is Truth.
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Originally posted by SolaChristo
What was the church at the time Paul wrote this?
Lets see the church at Corinth, the church at Phillipi, the church at Galatia, the church at Ephesis the curch at ......
You're confusing the local churches with the universal (catholic) Church.
The universal Church has distinctive qualities or characteristics - one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Each of those words are essential elements of the Church Christ founded, and each have specific meanings.
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Originally posted by alcovey
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Originally posted by Child of God
No, the bible doesn't support the truth the bible is truth:
So 'pillar and foundation' means they 'support' the truth - as in moral support?
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John 17: 17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Jesus is the Word.
Rhema and Logos are the Word.
The Sacred Scriptures are the Word.
Any word that proceeds from the mouth of God is the Word.
Thy Word is Truth.
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Originally posted by alcovey
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Originally posted by SolaChristo
What was the church at the time Paul wrote this?
Lets see the church at Corinth, the church at Phillipi, the church at Galatia, the church at Ephesis the curch at ......
You're confusing the local churches with the universal (catholic) Church.
The universal Church has distinctive qualities or characteristics - one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Each of those words are essential elements of the Church Christ founded, and each have specific meanings.
At the time Paul wrote this the universal church was completely differnt than what you call the RCC of today. Each church, each believing community constituted a congregation. These congreagations were tied together in faith and in Christ. There was no contoling centralized authority, The communities in Asia Minor were neither subject to or in authority to the church in Jerusalem, Ethiopia, or anywhere else.
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