what does RCC teaches James2 :10 means?

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 01:59:24  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


What does the Bible say!

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Sin is the breaking of the law - the Ten Commandments. All of life’s sins are covered in the Ten Commandments. There is not one among us who can say they have not sinned. We have all broken a command from God! For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 (emphasis mine). Because we are sinners, we deserve death and hell because we cannot enter Heaven with sin. The wages of sin is death… Romans 6:23 God’s Word does not state here that only a certain type of sin will bring death but plain old sin! This would have been a great opportunity for God to put in His Word the difference between venial and mortal sins. Instead, He chose to state plainly that sin’s payment is death.

In fact, since sin is the transgression of the law, the Word says that if we break even one, we are guilty of them all. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Jas 2:10 (emphasis mine). It does not matter whether you believe there are venial sins or mortal sins, the Word states that you are guilty of all the Law if you have broken just one of them. In other words, if we lie (that is the Ninth Commandment), we have become guilty of breaking all the Commandments (stealing, murder, etc.). God is trying to teach us that any part of the Law that is broken is enough to keep us out of Heaven. That is why Christ had to come - stop and think about this. It is impossible for us to be sinless. We cannot go one day without breaking at least one of the Ten Commandments! But this man (Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:12

It took a sinless sacrifice to pay for our penalty - our wages of death. In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14 and For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28.

Once we confess our sin to God, He is faithful and forgives our sins and remembers them no more! This is a promise! And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Hebrews 10:17 There is nothing that we can do (penance) that can help to forgive us and cleanse any further. Once we are forgiven, we are forgiven. There is no differentiating between small and great sins for all sin is an offense to God and we are guilty of all sin even when we break one! Christ died for all sins and there is nothing further that must be done.

Edited by evangelist on 03/20/2009 02:04:52

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 03:33:10  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  2

all well & good, Evan. But you give no consideration as to the effects of sins. Forgiveness does not undo the harm done - it has never undone murder, never undone the pain of abuse.

Casuality about forgiveness turns God into little more than an indulgent, unjust, bundle of Candy-floss!

So, please, Even, complete the theme, and think of the victims of sin.

Cheers.

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 04:44:23  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

all sin is an offense to god, but we don't commit all sin the same way. some sins are reactions to events as they take place... like saying something when your in an argument with your spouse or friend. it was a sin, but unintentional and the damage occurs still. this would be completely different than planning to say the same thing, knowing that it will be offensive and hurtful, because you want to get back at them for something. understanding venial and mortal sins isn't so much a look at the sin but a look at our heart. if a person commits a mortal sin then their heart is probably so hard that they are truly in danger of hell whereas a venial sin being more of a reaction or even just ignorance may be committed without this danger. obviously a reaction or ignorance isn't planned and so your not directly opposing the holy spirits affect on your conscience, though he will probably still convict you after the fact so you can repent or at least deal with the sin.

penance is absolutely still needed and even though most non catholics would dissagree i'll bet that they still do perform penance of some sort. for instance, if you stole money and repented... well wouldn't you still have to give the money back? jesus death on the cross isn't going to restore that money to the victims only you can do that. If you murder someone, Jesus may forgive you but that won't get you out of jail, it won't bring back the victim or stop the pain that the family feels over such a horrible loss. these get into the temporal effects of sin. there is a lot of sense to the way a catholic understands sin and forgiveness and what i would say to you is not just write it all off because of some modern happy happy religious doctrine. think about it for what it means and i'll bet you can see the sense in it. in no way does it lessen anything about the cross or the sacrifice, to me it only makes the cross much greater.

mike

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 04:59:10  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Absolutely, Mike. No way did Jesus suffer just so we could cop out on responsibility for our actions.

I dom wonder whether this attempt for consequence-free living is not a corruption of Christianity, along the same lines as abortion, so called mercy-killing?

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 05:27:06  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  1

for me i once believed very similar to evan.. on many points.. but while listening to moody radio one day they had a guy that was christian who had contracted aids... and it was then that it first really hit me that the consequences of sin go well beyond just salvation. sure christ can save a homosexual but that doesn't mean that the aids were also forgiven. and the people who got aids from him? what of that? sure he is saved but the "temporal effects" of sin are still there. this of course went into the idea of suffering which is very alien to many evangelicals but has never been alien to the ancient church. penance, purgatory, can both be a part of that for the believer but not just merely to suffer for suffering sake but rather suffering to unharden your heart and to take part in the effects of your sin. how cold it would be for a murderer to shout with joy of his salvation to the mother of a child he raped and killed. the man certainly could be saved but should still deal with the truth of the crimes he committed because they still affect people.

mike

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 08:26:33  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

mike check pms

Posted on 03/20/2009 at 11:20:51  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Is plagiarisim a sin?

I knew that post of Evans was written too perfect to be original...

Edited by at1ment on 03/20/2009 11:23:14

Posted on 03/21/2009 at 12:05:22  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

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Originally posted by philial



all well & good, Evan. But you give no consideration as to the effects of sins. Forgiveness does not undo the harm done - it has never undone murder, never undone the pain of abuse.

Casuality about forgiveness turns God into little more than an indulgent, unjust, bundle of Candy-floss!

So, please, Even, complete the theme, and think of the victims of sin.

Cheers.

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I been done said this , and explain the circumstance toward man judgement, which a sin will pay it price toward man.
But again all sin even thing we don't do is as bad as murder and adultery and etc.
That is why I am still waiting for the meaning or interpretation of what James 2:10 means??

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The guilty of all includes , murder, fornication, adultery,lieing, bearing false witness, slander, drug alcohol addictions, being gay and any other sins and etc!

Now if the RCC has another Spiritual dyslexia on this I would like too see it!

Edited by evangelist on 03/21/2009 12:11:47

Posted on 03/22/2009 at 02:11:21  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

Still waitiing for an RCC infallible interpretation on James 2:10.

Posted on 03/22/2009 at 05:25:43  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

oh. well let me state it as simply as it gets.

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

as far as the rest of what you posted it's just a tradition that i'm not completely in agreement with. the author doesn't really deal with the facts and inserts opinions where they don't belong... but then he's just another poor apologist wannabe.

mike

Edited by mikejuli on 03/22/2009 05:29:53

Posted on 03/22/2009 at 11:54:28  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

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Originally posted by mikejuli

oh. well let me state it as simply as it gets.

Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

as far as the rest of what you posted it's just a tradition that i'm not completely in agreement with. the author doesn't really deal with the facts and inserts opinions where they don't belong... but then he's just another poor apologist wannabe.

mike

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What does James 2:10 mean to you Mike????
Can you explain it in another way or is it to clear not to understand??

Posted on 03/22/2009 at 17:28:52  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

it means what it says evan. sin is sin and transgression whether venial or mortal is still transgression.

Posted on 03/23/2009 at 16:32:26  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

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Originally posted by mikejuli

it means what it says evan. sin is sin and transgression whether venial or mortal is still transgression.

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Thank you for being honest Mike!
This will clear up alot of issues about sins, redemption,and most of all our righteousness as being perfect in our spirits if we are born again.
Big sins and little sins is also out of the question!
I also hope all other RCC agree with you on what you posted.

one love

Edited by evangelist on 03/23/2009 16:35:38

Posted on 03/23/2009 at 17:21:14  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

maybe you misunderstood evan.. because i wasn't saying anything opposed to what the catholics are saying rather i would hope that you agree with what i posted.. do you actually understand why there is a difference between venial and mortal sin? they are both sin and both break break the law... the difference is not in whether or not god will forgive it or can forgive it.. but rather how our hearts are in standing with god. a person who commits a mortal sin may in fact be dealing with the same exact offense another deals with as venial... the person who engages in mortal sin has willingly made a choice to sin where the venial was not. in other words we are dealing with a hard heart when dealing with mortal sin. a heart that has been calloused enough to know something is wrong and still go ahead and do it.

Posted on 03/23/2009 at 20:00:56  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

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Originally posted by mikejuli

maybe you misunderstood evan.. because i wasn't saying anything opposed to what the catholics are saying rather i would hope that you agree with what i posted.. do you actually understand why there is a difference between venial and mortal sin? they are both sin and both break break the law... the difference is not in whether or not god will forgive it or can forgive it.. but rather how our hearts are in standing with god. a person who commits a mortal sin may in fact be dealing with the same exact offense another deals with as venial... the person who engages in mortal sin has willingly made a choice to sin where the venial was not. in other words we are dealing with a hard heart when dealing with mortal sin. a heart that has been calloused enough to know something is wrong and still go ahead and do it.

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Is this LIKE HOW WE OVER EAT AND SIN BY GLUTTNEY willfully, or when we break the speed limit on purpose???

Is jame 2 also taking mortal and venial sins the same, becaUSE ALL SINS ARE SIN before God?

Edited by evangelist on 03/25/2009 00:40:28

Posted on 03/23/2009 at 21:58:12  |  Reply  |  Report Abuse |  0

But your interpretation of James would contradict what John says. Are you saying that the Bible is in error?

All sins are sin, but that does not make all sins equal.

Edited by Faith_at_Large on 03/23/2009 21:58:52