what does RCC teaches James2 :10 means?
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Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.What does the Bible say!Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Sin is the breaking of the law - the Ten more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/20/2009 02:04:52
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But your interpretation of James would contradict what John says. Are you saying that the Bible is in error?
All sins are sin, but that does not make all sins equal.
The point you are missing is how God is looking at the sins and man judgement of sins.
man would say all sins are not equal but in James it is saying sin is sin and all sins is equal by God .
Do you think God judgemenet is the same as human judgements??
Go back and read Mike post he hit it on the truth, why do you have a problem with this Faith_at Large???
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/25/2009 00:43:30
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Is thT LIKE HOW WE OVER EAT AND SIN BY GLUTTNEY willfully or when we break the speed limit on purpose???
Is jame 2 also taking mortal and venial sins the same, becaUSE ALL SINS ARE SIN before God?
it's really not that difficult evan. let's use an extreme example here.. let's say a man is hunting and sees some movement in the brush which he assumes is a deer... he shoots and finds out that it was his hunting partner that he has just killed because he was careless. now this man has sinned because he took a life, not accidentally, but because he was careless and didn't follow the rules of hunting such as confirming your target before you shoot. (believe it or not such things happen). after the death of his friend he is instantly overcome with grief knowing that this death was fully his fault and repents.
second let's look at a man who takes a friend out hunting because he found out that friend did something like had an affair with his wife or whatever... just use your immagination. the man intends to kill this person, he know ahead of time and is planning to murder, his conscience has let him know it's wrong but he has bypassed conscience with self justification. he has hardened his heart to the conviction of the holy spirit and after the murder we see that he still believes what he did was justified.
in a court of law both would be convicted.. one of manslaughter and the other of murder. before god the same commandment would be broken and god would certainly be able to forgive both men and would want to forgive both men. he would want to wash them white as snow. the sin is sin but God would also see both mens hearts and know that for one man to another there is a huge difference. one man is on the doorstep of forgivness, the other is standing on the doorstep of hell. the first man finds it easy to accept fault, to repent, feel shame and sorrow for the wrongful death of a friend and though his heart is full of grief it quickly finds it's way to God, knowing that he needs to be forgiven and healed. the second man has already shut down and numbed his conscience, if the holy spirit convicted before the murder he was ignored and afterward this mans self righteousness doesn't really change. he still feels it was his right to take the mans life, and will have a harder time accepting his fault, if he ever does. he certainly is not ready to repent or ask God to be forgiven and probably would shy away from responsibility by trying to place some of the blame on the sin of the friend if he did. God can still and will still work on this man but it may take a lifetime before his heart will change.
what i'm trying to illustrate here is that sin is sin, but because a sin that is committed can be different in each person not only in how it is committed but in how we will even react to it makes a lot of difference. the idea of venial and mortal sin can cover the same type of sin (ie murder, stealing, anger) so in that respect sin is sin, it's still an offense to god and need to be forgiven. but when we commit sin either through venial or mortal means it shows that there is a huge difference in our hearts. a person can still end up in hell from mere venial sins but venial sins are easily repented of, mortal sins are harder to repent of because to commit a sin mortally you have already made excuses to sin, it will be easier to make excuses to repent.
hope this helps.
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I do understand your analogy on hunting and I can use an analogy on a driving accident as well when a pastor or priest or pope might drive too fast to get to a mass or church service and kills a innocent child who J walked, but maybe another person runs over a man because they seen a man coming out there house kissing their wife so they know the deal was an sexual acts or a side lover.
The man speeds by and runs over the man with his car , which is murder, as you have said both have killed and disobeyed the law of the land in the first place so both are wrong even though both hearts were different.
First of all both will have to go before a man made jury and face court charges, and I think if it is fair one will pay more than the other according to mans judgement.
But the good news of the gospel which I was trying to say is that in both men charges if both men were born again Christians but still had different hearts, the issue of the sin they did will not be an issue before God because God will look to Jesus before seeing these men sins of speeding so they stand before God as still righteous because Jesus is standing before these men so God can't see thier sins and mistakes, or evilness.
But if they were not born again then God will see what ever sin they did and they will pay fully for those sins bad or very bad in hell because They didn't have no one to save them or better to say they didn't have a Saviour!
Also if these men didn't have a saviour then James 2:10 will be throwm in both men face regardless of their hearts, because they disobey the speed limit before God.
I hope this helped!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/25/2009 01:17:52
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only as far as judgement goes but it still avoids the heart. if a person purposed to murder and "avoided" the holy spirit, there heart may be hardened to a point where they are not even concerned about forgiveness... that's why the sin becomes mortal.. not because it's a different sin but because to get there your basically turning from God to do it where the other may be more accidental? or mere carelessness..
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only as far as judgement goes but it still avoids the heart. if a person purposed to murder and "avoided" the holy spirit, there heart may be hardened to a point where they are not even concerned about forgiveness... that's why the sin becomes mortal.. not because it's a different sin but because to get there your basically turning from God to do it where the other may be more accidental? or mere carelessness..
mike
People have a problem also in not forgiving others, but i don't think the Holy Spirit would convict them because the Holy Spirit is an comforter not ( the covictor).
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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ahh yes the jesus is just a nice guy who would never piss me off by telling me i'm wrong approach.
nice.
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ahh yes the jesus is just a nice guy who would never piss me off by telling me i'm wrong approach.
nice.
Rememeber Jesus is not the one mad at anyone except satan, we are the one who get piss off and think we are the bad guy and walk around condemned because we are sin conscience.
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like i said... your pushing the jesus is a pushover gospel.. this isn't about jesus being mad about anyone... he's either god or he's not evan.. and God hates sin. That doesn't mean he's some ogre running after you with a club but it also doesn't mean that your beer buddies with him and he's just gonna turn the other cheek when you do wrong.
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like i said... your pushing the jesus is a pushover gospel.. this isn't about jesus being mad about anyone... he's either god or he's not evan.. and God hates sin. That doesn't mean he's some ogre running after you with a club but it also doesn't mean that your beer buddies with him and he's just gonna turn the other cheek when you do wrong.
Do you think God is worry about our sins or does He look at our perfect born again spirit because He is Spirit?
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do you think god doesn't care if you sin? now that your saved i guess you can just go do whatever you want.... right? you can rape murder do drugs lie steal now all in the name of jesus.
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do you think god doesn't care if you sin? now that your saved i guess you can just go do whatever you want.... right? you can rape murder do drugs lie steal now all in the name of jesus.
If He could remember them maybe He would care.
Heb:10:17: And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Heb:10:18: Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb:10:19: Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
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Evangelist, Hebrews 10 has a warning for us. How did you miss it?
Hebrew 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
Have you received knowledge of the Truth? If not, no worries, but if you have then the warning applies to you.
The warning is NOT for those who have not received knowledge of the Truth, they have other warnings.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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do you think god doesn't care if you sin? now that your saved i guess you can just go do whatever you want.... right? you can rape murder do drugs lie steal now all in the name of jesus.
If He could remember them maybe He would care.
Heb:10:17: And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.Heb:10:18: Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb:10:19: Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
are you saying that god forgets you sin if you don't repent and ask forgiveness? you can keep running down these rabbit trails evan if you wan't.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
God forgave our past present . and future sins so how can new sins be a new ball game , that is the future sins, which is already forgiven!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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