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Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.What does the Bible say!Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Sin is the breaking of the law - the Ten more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/20/2009 02:04:52
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Show me. God will forgive future sins as we repent of them and seek reconciation, but show me where God will forgive sins that we commit willingly after receiving knowledge of the Truth and choose not to repent of.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
God forgave our past present . and future sins so how can new sins be a new ball game , that is the future sins, which is already forgiven!
jesus died for all our sins.. past present and future... he died for the sins of the world... but that doesn't take away our need to repent or confess them. people that go to hell because they rejected christ had their sins paid for as well all they needed to do was repent.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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That's right. Jesus died for the sins of every man, woman and child that will ever be on this earth, but that does not mean that they will be saved. Part of accepting Christ is repenting of our sins. Wilfully committing sins after we have received knowledge of the Truth, is a denial of the Lord that Bought us with His blood.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
What we do with our bodies is just as important as what we do with our spirits. Our body is the Temple for the Holy Ghost that is give to us. If we sin wilfully after receiving (accepting) the knowledge of the Truth, we are defiling the Temple in which the Holy Ghost resides. This is more serious than any sin committed by any pagan.
We have the Truth, they don't. If we sin, we are deliberately cutting ourself off from Jesus Christ. If they sin, they never knew Christ and there do not have a relationship to sever.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Show me. God will forgive future sins as we repent of them and seek reconciation, but show me where God will forgive sins that we commit willingly after receiving knowledge of the Truth and choose not to repent of.
When Jesus died on the cross, He died to pay the penalty for all of the sins of the entire world (1 John 2:2). When a person places his faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of his sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and once they are forgiven, they are all forgiven (Colossians 1:14; Acts 10:43).
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http://www.gotquestions.org/God-forgive-big-sins.html
Also if we choose not to ask forgiveness this will open the door for satan to decieve and you will reap what you so, sooner or latter!
But if a person really is born again they will want to change in their hearts, but has issues.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/30/2009 09:05:57
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When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
God forgave our past present . and future sins so how can new sins be a new ball game , that is the future sins, which is already forgiven!
jesus died for all our sins.. past present and future... he died for the sins of the world... but that doesn't take away our need to repent or confess them. people that go to hell because they rejected christ had their sins paid for as well all they needed to do was repent.
Amen! 
Praise the Lord Mike!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No one is disputing that Christ paid for all sins for the entire world, past, present and future - but not all are saved. You know this. And the Bible shows that mere belief is not sufficient. Devils believe and tremble.
Show me that that there will be remission of sins for [edited: unrepented] sins committed after coming into the Body of Christ. Your verses do not show this.
Acts 10:43 and following shows that yes all believers will receive remission of sins and they did. But this does not mean that any of them are free to sin again. And you cannot make a doctrine out of one or two passages - the rest of the scriptures show that those who BELIEVE, as in truly believe with all of their mind, body, heart and soul, do not just leave it at that. Those who truly belief in Christ love Christ. And those who love Christ obey His commandments.
Matthew 11:29-30 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light."
Easy and light does not mean non-existant.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 03/30/2009 16:59:47
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That's right. Jesus died for the sins of every man, woman and child that will ever be on this earth, but that does not mean that they will be saved. Part of accepting Christ is repenting of our sins. Wilfully committing sins after we have received knowledge of the Truth, is a denial of the Lord that Bought us with His blood.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Cr 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
What we do with our bodies is just as important as what we do with our spirits. Our body is the Temple for the Holy Ghost that is give to us. If we sin wilfully after receiving (accepting) the knowledge of the Truth, we are defiling the Temple in which the Holy Ghost resides. This is more serious than any sin committed by any pagan.
We have the Truth, they don't. If we sin, we are deliberately cutting ourself off from Jesus Christ. If they sin, they never knew Christ and there do not have a relationship to sever.
But remember God looks at our spirit not the sins of our body it is not transformed yet but our born Spirit is like Jesus is now in Heaven and the only sin which can break that spirit and ruin it to hell is the rejection of Jesus and His blood, with no faith .
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
God forgave our past present . and future sins so how can new sins be a new ball game , that is the future sins, which is already forgiven!
jesus died for all our sins.. past present and future... he died for the sins of the world... but that doesn't take away our need to repent or confess them. people that go to hell because they rejected christ had their sins paid for as well all they needed to do was repent.
Amen!
Praise the Lord Mike!
o.k. so what's the beef?
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
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Not so. Our body is the temple for the Holy Ghost. If we defile that temple, we have sinned against the Holy Ghost. Christ will forgive almost anything, but to sin against the Holy Ghost is an unforgivable sin.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Why do you ignore Hebrews 10? This is after Christ's death and resurrection and the New Covenant is in effect.
Hebrews 10:24-29 "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
In modern English, I will repeat verse 29 again:
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
In verse 28 we hear about those under the Old Covenant and it is clear that verse 29 is about those of us under the NEW Covenant.
We treat the blood of the covenant a common thing if we go around behaving like those who had not been saved. We insult the spirit of grace if we show no evidence of ever having been under grace - our behavior and our attitude towards sin is the evidence of whether we are truly appreciative of the gift of Grace, or whether we yearn for our Old Man who should have been nailed to the Cross with Christ.
We have the grace to sever all ties to sin. Jesus did that for us. We are freed from the slavery of sin, bought for a price. If we return to that slavery we have rejected Christ and all that He did for us.
The Bible says that we cannot serve two masters. Either we serve Christ or sin, not both.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by mikejuli
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
When we are baptized our past sins are forgiven and forgotten. But if we commit new sins after that, this is another ballgame.
God forgave our past present . and future sins so how can new sins be a new ball game , that is the future sins, which is already forgiven!
jesus died for all our sins.. past present and future... he died for the sins of the world... but that doesn't take away our need to repent or confess them. people that go to hell because they rejected christ had their sins paid for as well all they needed to do was repent.
Amen!
Praise the Lord Mike!
o.k. so what's the beef?
No Beef Mike just an agreement that we have to repent once for our sins and be born again only once this is the gospel I know so sin is not an issue it is all on Christ who made us righteous and redeemed us now, so we can see who we are in Him and Him is us Mike.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No one is disputing that Christ paid for all sins for the entire world, past, present and future - but not all are saved. You know this. And the Bible shows that mere belief is not sufficient. Devils believe and tremble.
Show me that that there will be remission of sins for [edited: unrepented] sins committed after coming into the Body of Christ. Your verses do not show this.
Acts 10:43 and following shows that yes all believers will receive remission of sins and they did. But this does not mean that any of them are free to sin again. And you cannot make a doctrine out of one or two passages - the rest of the scriptures show that those who BELIEVE, as in truly believe with all of their mind, body, heart and soul, do not just leave it at that. Those who truly belief in Christ love Christ. And those who love Christ obey His commandments.
Matthew 11:29-30 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light."
Easy and light does not mean non-existant.
This is my point that we repent once for our sins and the repentance brings in the blood of Jesus to wash us sinless and make us righteous before God after using our faith.
We only get born once just like you can't enter into your mother womb twice.
But we do sin and all come short of the Glory so we should asked for forgiveness and close the door of satan on our sins and stay near to Christ and don't run away as we do swhen we sin by felling condemned.
God will never forsake us but we forsake Him when we don't feel worthy.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Not so. Our body is the temple for the Holy Ghost. If we defile that temple, we have sinned against the Holy Ghost. Christ will forgive almost anything, but to sin against the Holy Ghost is an unforgivable sin.
NOPE! look at what you are saying!
The body is not the Holy Ghost, it is like you said it is the vessel where the holy Ghost enter.
The old testament temple was not God but in the Holies of Holy is where God was , and no unholy preist or thing could enter, but the outer courts is like our body where sins and evil can enter.
You have a wrong concept of the spirit soul and body!
The bible does say when you attack directly the Holy Spirit itself you are in danger but not our bodies that is nonsense!
I know that is your own sola theology and it is not even a Catholic teaching!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/30/2009 23:45:51
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Why do you ignore Hebrews 10? This is after Christ's death and resurrection and the New Covenant is in effect.
Hebrews 10:24-29 "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
In modern English, I will repeat verse 29 again:
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
In verse 28 we hear about those under the Old Covenant and it is clear that verse 29 is about those of us under the NEW Covenant.
We treat the blood of the covenant a common thing if we go around behaving like those who had not been saved. We insult the spirit of grace if we show no evidence of ever having been under grace - our behavior and our attitude towards sin is the evidence of whether we are truly appreciative of the gift of Grace, or whether we yearn for our Old Man who should have been nailed to the Cross with Christ.
We have the grace to sever all ties to sin. Jesus did that for us. We are freed from the slavery of sin, bought for a price. If we return to that slavery we have rejected Christ and all that He did for us.
The Bible says that we cannot serve two masters. Either we serve Christ or sin, not both.
First of all I don't reject Hebrews at all because I am still doing a one year study and research on all the 13 Chapters of Hebrew line upon line, precept upon precepts and in contexts.
The sin which is in Hebrews 10 is the one sin after knowing the truth of the gospel or tasting the truth being born again and have had the meat of the gospel and reject Jesus as Lord is no forgiveness and you will be lost.
But a baby Christian will have a chance because they reall don't know the truth as those who ate the meat of the truth.
So when a person reject Jesus they go back to their vomitt, and sinful life as a sinner abd they are lost under the sin of rejection!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 03/30/2009 23:56:17
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No Beef Mike just an agreement that we have to repent once for our sins and be born again only once this is the gospel I know so sin is not an issue it is all on Christ who made us righteous and redeemed us now, so we can see who we are in Him and Him is us Mike.
that's what i thought... your not agreeing with what i said at all, your merely throwing in your personal beliefs after you claim to agree with what i said. you do that a lot evan.. is that because you choose to manipulate that way or do you really not understand what is being said?
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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