Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2Th 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

I know that Jack LIED, and yet you promote him and refuse to call him a liar. Did you not receive a love of the Truth? Why tolerate a liar, I wouldn't.

Wommack claims that we do not need to repent of our sins at all, and yet the message repeated throughout the New Testament is the call to repentance.

"Pleasure in unrighteousness" hardly refers to the works of the Catholic Church that you find so burdensome. Sin in unrighteousness, not avoiding sin, or repenting of sin, or confessing our sins.

Anyone who told me that I did not have to repent of my sins and that sin is not an issue - that person is under powerful delusion. How can wrong become right? And don't tell me that Jesus is just covering it up.

Romans 4:6-8 "Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Rom 4:7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Rom 4:8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."

Blessed are those indeed. But it is very wise to not stop there. If we want our sins forgiven, the Bible tells us to repent - Jesus forgives as often as asked, His mercy is great, but we still need to repent.

Good works do not justify us, but being justified enables us to do good and meritorious works. The examples given are Abraham and David, and while they were justified by their Faith, both as a result were able to do the works that they needed to do. Both did good works. David is famous for his repentence. Abraham did not withhold his only son.

Continued from the same epistle to the Romans:

Romans 6:14-17 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."

Paul does get a little convoluted in his writings, but you have to read them through before jumping to conclusions.

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Yes. we do repent one time just like you get born again one time and in that covenant we are forgiven of all sins past, present and future sins, and we do believe the good news of that in honor to obey, and give thanks for the first love to us.

We do need to ask forgiveness of our sins and confess them so satan can't have a right to destroy us and God plans, but we are already forgiven 2000 years ago , and you are trying to put Christ on the cross as such everytime you sin and that is non-sence and a lie from the pits of hell, and that is another gospel.

Also Wommack is not saying never to repent of your sins when you get born again, he and I know everyone , one time should repent of their sins when they get saved, and then the war is over.
You have misunderstood what he taught again!

1Jo:2:2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1053


listen to :Once, For All Eternity

When you hear this you will have the whole teaching in context and you will understand where the error is in your theology and RCC.

you are seeing many thing backward FAL!

one love

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

If I saw any evidence that Wommack knew anything that I could learn from I would. But all of the other links you gave me only showed how little he knew and how poorly he understood.

The War is NOT over until we are in Heaven. Read the Bible.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Matthew 10:34-40 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Mat 10:36 And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household.

Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."

See also Luke 12:51 onward.

Yes He is the Prince of Peace, and we will have peace.

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If you don't have peace yet as a christian then it is best you leave your churchy, and think on the too good things og our God!

John 16:33 "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."

In Christ, I do have peace and long to come into His rest. But, you are merely complacent. The whole of the scriptures warns against such complacency.

Jesus has overcome the world for us, but that does not mean that the war in the world is over. Jesus also says that in this world there will be tribulation.

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If Jesus overcame , then what your problem have not taken the rest of Christ on you and the peace He gave us with too much joy??

1 Peter 5:8-11 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1Pe 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you].

1Pe 5:11 To him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

This does not mean that we are to panic, as Christ is ever by our side so long as we abide in Him, but clearly Peter did not think that the war was over, and neither did Jesus.

Acts 14:21-23 "And when they had preached the gospel to that city, and had taught many, they returned again to Lystra, and [to] Iconium, and Antioch,

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed."

Jesus has won in eternity, but where do you get the idea that the war is over for us?

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Matthew 6:9-13 "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."

I love this prayer, but it is not the sort of prayer one says if they are already delivered from evil and the war is really over.

Especially when it continues:

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

You want to remove conditions that Jesus has established and then blame some churchy for letting it slip what Christ actually taught.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

You cannot overwrite the Words of Jesus Christ with other passages that you have misinterpeted.

What Christ says in the passage I gave you blows away your religious theology. So please adapt and develop a new one based on the scriptures instead of the hollow words of false teachers.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I have the Holy Spirit in me too. So let's not get into a contest as to who has the most reliable Holy Spirit.

And, you're right, I do have a Pope that can teach infallibly, and a Magisterium that can as well. The Bible, even though it is the inerrent and inspired Word of God, is only as reliable as its interpreter.

So please address what I have given you from the Bible. I used the KJV. IF you feel that the KJV is an imperfect translation, please provide me with a translation that you consider to be "infallible" so I can quote it back to you.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Matthaeus 6:14-15 (Luther Bibel 1545)

14Denn so ihr den Menschen ihre Fehler vergebet, so wird euch euer himmlischer Vater auch vergeben,

15Wo ihr aber den Menschen ihre Fehler nicht vergebet, so wird euch euer Vater eure Fehler auch nicht vergeben."

And in a different German translation:

Matthaeus 6:14-15 (Hoffnung für Alle)

"14 Euer Vater im Himmel wird euch vergeben, wenn ihr den Menschen vergebt, die euch Unrecht getan haben.

15 Wenn ihr ihnen aber nicht vergeben wollt, dann wird Gott auch eure Schuld nicht vergeben."

It does not change. If you do not forgive others, God (your Father) in Heaven will NOT forgive you.

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I have the Holy Spirit in me too. So let's not get into a contest as to who has the most reliable Holy Spirit.

And, you're right, I do have a Pope that can teach infallibly, and a Magisterium that can as well. The Bible, even though it is the inerrent and inspired Word of God, is only as reliable as its interpreter.

So please address what I have given you from the Bible. I used the KJV. IF you feel that the KJV is an imperfect translation, please provide me with a translation that you consider to be "infallible" so I can quote it back to you.

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So are you saying the bible contradict itself with Hebrews and Matthews?

In Hebrews God will remember no more your sins, and again the unforgiving sin He keeps in the heavely computers?

one love

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