Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson
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Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson from the dead??The bible does say we can do greater things as jesus , and we can cast out demon raise the dead, so I thought about MJ and if he was to be raised from the dead it would be a great witness to the christian more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by mikejuli
for all the talk on works and law... my experience has been that the most legalistic christians are those that are antinomian. all those people pointing at the catholic church as being works oriented are most often the worst offenders with rules and regulations..
That is why I used those priest who went through the experience of RCC works and merits, and a conditional salvation.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Amen. I have been amazed at the groups pointing fingers at the Church who were far stricter and legalistic than the Church ever was.
look at the quakers!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The Holy SPIRIT made it alive and our born again spirit bear record of the truth of the interpretation of the scriptures, becauzse our born again spirits come from heaven and direct from God!
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that's a scapegoat not an answer evan.. people that disagree with your personal religion also believe that the bible is alive and that they too can interpret it differently. as a matter of fact i disagree with most of what you say and so does the catholic church and we believe that the holy spirit leads us in all truth. you will try to say that's because we're spoonfed but that really isn't the case at all. all you need to do is have all those non catholic christians who claim the holy spirit as their guide to actually start believing the same things then you may have some proof.. but then you would look a lot like the catholic church... with creed we all believe and agree on.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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Originally posted by mikejuli
for all the talk on works and law... my experience has been that the most legalistic christians are those that are antinomian. all those people pointing at the catholic church as being works oriented are most often the worst offenders with rules and regulations..
That is why I used those priest who went through the experience of RCC works and merits, and a conditional salvation.
one love
you could have just used yourself. or any evangelical. for all the claims of works and law levied against the catholic church even i as an evangelical knew they understood grace in a way no evangelical ever could. i've never heard a catholic call smoking or drinking or dancing a sin. those are the first rules you learn as an evangelical... those are real merits and works that you should deal with..
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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The Holy SPIRIT made it alive and our born again spirit bear record of the truth of the interpretation of the scriptures, becauzse our born again spirits come from heaven and direct from God!
one love
that's a scapegoat not an answer evan.. people that disagree with your personal religion also believe that the bible is alive and that they too can interpret it differently. as a matter of fact i disagree with most of what you say and so does the catholic church and we believe that the holy spirit leads us in all truth. you will try to say that's because we're spoonfed but that really isn't the case at all. all you need to do is have all those non catholic christians who claim the holy spirit as their guide to actually start believing the same things then you may have some proof.. but then you would look a lot like the catholic church... with creed we all believe and agree on.
Can you say you are just Christian instead of saying you are catholic or whatever name it claim it?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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We are Christian, but if we say we are just Christian, then we get lumped in with all the heretics who also claim to be just Christian.
Too many Christians teach opposing doctrines and tell us Catholics that we are not Christian.
So while we are truly Christian, using the name Catholic which also applies to Christ's Church and has since the first century, we are able to remain that beacon on the hill instead of allowing potential Christians to think that Christ's Church is invisible and that it is impossible to have Truth.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
We are Christian, but if we say we are just Christian, then we get lumped in with all the heretics who also claim to be just Christian.
Too many Christians teach opposing doctrines and tell us Catholics that we are not Christian.
So while we are truly Christian, using the name Catholic which also applies to Christ's Church and has since the first century, we are able to remain that beacon on the hill instead of allowing potential Christians to think that Christ's Church is invisible and that it is impossible to have Truth.
It really shouldn't matter what church you are a member of but the real case should be who you are married too like Christ Himself who you love and follow and should be proud to say you are christian , or Christ like even though other have bad fruits , then show your good fruits as an anointed Christian or son or daughter of God!
Know who you are in Christ and don't worry about those who do lip service , people will not want what show no light and no powers, and no authority!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I only want to belong to Christ's Church. I have no interest in imitations that have chosen to follow their own gospels.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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I only want to belong to Christ's Church. I have no interest in imitations that have chosen to follow their own gospels.
Belonging ,and being a daughter of Christ is better than joining a religious club FAL!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I am not in a religious club. I am a daughter by adoption to God the Father, and a sister to Christ the Son. I am a member of the Church that Christ established and have been since being baptized into Christ.
You can join a club if you wish, but I belong to the Family of God.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I am not in a religious club. I am a daughter by adoption to God the Father, and a sister to Christ the Son. I am a member of the Church that Christ established and have been since being baptized into Christ.
You can join a club if you wish, but I belong to the Family of God.
visble or invisible family FAL??
For me FAL I am just a family of Christ Jesus a son!
I'll leave my and any other church out of the question, my focus is on Christ alone!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Visible.
Christ's Church is both visible and invisible - and Christ's Church is His Body. So I will not leave my Church, for that would mean leaving Christ, and that I cannot do.
A Christian cannot focus on Christ alone and ignore His Church. Christ established His Church for our protection.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 09/25/2009 18:29:49
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Visible.
Christ's Church is both visible and invisible - and Christ's Church is His Body. So I will not leave my Church, for that would mean leaving Christ, and that I cannot do.
A Christian cannot focus on Christ alone and ignore His Church. Christ established His Church for our protection.
What happens to a person who lives in a forest or desert with no church to attend , and just has the Holy Spirit and a bible?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Such a person would not have a Bible if he had never had any contact with any other Christians. And for those who have never known Christ at all through no fault of their own, the Catholic Church has already answered that - go find it for yourself. It has been explained on this site before.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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I think that too many threads are making it difficult to carry on a sensible discussion. I will not be posting on this thread anymore unless specific to the resurrection of Michael Jackson.
My opinion on the OP is that God can resurrect Michael Jackson, but there would be no purpose to it. To resurrect Michael Jackson would only feed on magic seekers and not inspire true Faith. I pray that God does not allow MJ to be resurrected until his appointed time.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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