Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson
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Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson from the dead??The bible does say we can do greater things as jesus , and we can cast out demon raise the dead, so I thought about MJ and if he was to be raised from the dead it would be a great witness to the christian more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Part one man raised from the dead testimony from a medical certify doctor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABlOWpE8FQ&feature=related
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If God was responsible for the man's resurrection, why did he need to be shocked one more time before he came back? Why were the prayers not enough? Peter and Paul did not require additional medical intervention in order to effect the resurrections that were attributed to them.
I checked, Doctor Chauncey Crandall does appear to be a genuine medical doctorHealthGrades, and also very much involved in what he considers to be the Lord's work - he has is own website too. Though I find it amuzing that he should be interviewed on a set in his scrubs - playing up the fact that he is a doctor.
I would want to know more details on the man who "died" before declaring it a miracle. Situations like this one occur from time to time without anyone praying over them.
And the description of the man being deader than anything the cardiologist had ever seen seems a bit strong. The man was black from cyanosis, could there have been another explanation? Could his condition have been responsible for preserving his higher brain functions after having been clinically dead for so long?
A child up here in Canada let herself out in the middle of the night unbeknownst to her mother. It was the middle of winter and the temperatures were substantially below zero. Her frozen body was found the next morning, her heart was stopped by the time they found her, but they still managed to revive her. She lost a few fingers and toes to frostbite, but other than that she was fine.
Frozen - initial story
Follow-up
I live in Edmonton, and while I do not know her personally, I remember the reports as they went along. This is a miracle in a way, but with an explanation. Similar stories have popped up over the years, almost miraculous but with medical explanations.
The man described in the video was allegedly "resurrected" with witnesses, so I am also curious as to why others have not come forward and why this appears on YouTube and Christian websites, but does not appear to be captured by mainstream news media.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Brain Injuries: How is brain death defined
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Cardinal Signs of Brain Death
Before a physician can declare that an individual is brain dead, several basic criteria must be met:
- The patient must be comatose or unresponsive
- Cerebral responses to pain must be absent in all extremities
- Brainstem reflexes must be absent
- The patient must be apneic (i.e., incapable of initiating spontaneous respiratory activity)
Furthermore, the diagnosis of brain death cannot be confidently made unless the following requirements are fulfilled:
- Clinical or neuroimaging evidence (i.e., CT, MRI, etc.) must indicate the occurrence of a cerebral event that is consistent with the diagnosis of brain death
- Conditions that may mimic brain death or interfere with proper diagnosis (e.g., acute metabolic or endocrine syndromes) must be excluded
- Drug intoxication or poisoning must be ruled out
- The patient must not be hypothermic (i.e., core body temperature must be greater than or equal to 32degC [90degF])
(From Sullivan J, et al. Determining brain death. Critical Care Nurse. 1999;19(2):37-46)
I would expect that a cardiologist would have some knowledge on medical conditions that can mimic death, but could such a doctor let his faith get the better of him?
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 07/02/2009 19:02:55
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Yes he can be raised from the dead and not only him but also anyone that believers decide to use Matthew 10:8 on. God has done everything that he can ever do for humans and that is through Christ's death on the cross and Christ's resurrection.Jesus gave authority to believers and said go, he said it is finished on the cross he is just looking for vessels to use here on this earth to display his Glory, Majesty and Power.
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Yes he can be raised from the dead and not only him but also anyone that believers decide to use Matthew 10:8 on. God has done everything that he can ever do for humans and that is through Christ's death on the cross and Christ's resurrection.Jesus gave authority to believers and said go, he said it is finished on the cross he is just looking for vessels to use here on this earth to display his Glory, Majesty and Power.
Are "all believers" gifted with the ability to heal, or only the ones Christ chooses? Almost every person I know calls himself a believer, and I have never witnessed any of them heal anyone. I think that only the "believers who Jesus calls" are given that gift. If you don't agree, then take a look at the rest of Matthew 10:
Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
There were others at the time who believed in Jesus, but only the 12 disciples that Jesus called were given the gift of healing, and only those men were ordered to heal.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
In verses 5 and 6, Jesus gives guidelines to who the 12 can or can not preach to/heal. The Good News was given to the Gentiles only after the Jews rejected it.
"There are water and tears; the water of baptism and the tears of repentance." -St. Ambrose“
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Evan - I've got a great challange for you!!!! Why dont you go to Italy and bring back to life those persons that were burned to death in the railroad accident a few days. After than go to the Indian Ocean and bring back to life those that perished in the AirBus crash a few days. Then top it off and go to the Atlantic Ocean and bring back to life those that died in the Brazlian Airplane crash.
There were many innocents that died in those accidents. Forget about MJ.
Oh, and take a camera with you so you can post those miracles on YouTube. And be sure to take same well known liberal and conservative newsmen/women so they can be witnesses..
Just one will bring more than thousands to Christ and MJ would be the chosen best person as a witness to the whole world that Jesus can do all things!
What you are asking to to ask God or pray to God to take death and dieing completely away, but now is not the time my friend.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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now is not the time my friend.
How do you know?
When you raise some dead people, please post them on YouTube. No one has done that yet.
"Look on the bright side, if this is the best they've got around here, in six months we'll be running this planet." (Planet of the Apes)
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oh evan...
did anyone notice that the man in the first video changed his pants between scenes?
My friend mike
I think you would be a better RC than a detective!
Did you observe that the man was also in a different place maybe at home waiting for the pastor to raise him from the dead, as Jesus used this man of God to lay hands on him in a different place and yes with other cloths. because he might also went to the bath room in those other pants???
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Originally posted by Faith77
Yes he can be raised from the dead and not only him but also anyone that believers decide to use Matthew 10:8 on. God has done everything that he can ever do for humans and that is through Christ's death on the cross and Christ's resurrection.Jesus gave authority to believers and said go, he said it is finished on the cross he is just looking for vessels to use here on this earth to display his Glory, Majesty and Power.
Are "all believers" gifted with the ability to heal, or only the ones Christ chooses? Almost every person I know calls himself a believer, and I have never witnessed any of them heal anyone. I think that only the "believers who Jesus calls" are given that gift. If you don't agree, then take a look at the rest of Matthew 10:
Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
There were others at the time who believed in Jesus, but only the 12 disciples that Jesus called were given the gift of healing, and only those men were ordered to heal.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
In verses 5 and 6, Jesus gives guidelines to who the 12 can or can not preach to/heal. The Good News was given to the Gentiles only after the Jews rejected it.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. what he did 2000 years ago he still wants to do today. What he said 2000 years ago still applies today. Jesus did not only come for the 12 disciples but for everyone who would believe in him John 3:16. Matthew 10: 8 is for all believers in christ, there is a difference in 1cor : 12 and Matthew 10:8, Mark 16 and matthew 28. 1 cor 12 leaves a responsibility with the believer to desire after spiritual gifts but the other scriptures above are commandments to believers. It is so sad that the body of Christ here on earth is sleeping but i believe there is a remnant God is preparing who will walk in everything that God promised to believers in the bible. God will definately restore all the years that the locusts and cankerworm have eaten. Joel 2
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Hello Rev!
Also praise the Lord for you responce and I do agree with the show biz acts of some people and churches.
It is also true what you said is even the raiseing of the dead won't bring people to Christ, and that reminded me of this:
Luke 16:20-31 (New International Version)
20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,[a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
25"But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
27"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
29"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30" 'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31"He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
But I know also the bible doesn't contradict itself like you aqlso believe, but believers who try to follow the bible use what God has given us and this is what most religious peoplehave a issue is because they are powerless and just have a religious doctrines and traditions of men that don't work so they go against other believers who is using the anointing which Jesus has give us, and the knowledge of who we are in Christ and Christ in us REV!
This scripture will help give a better understanding of what I am saying biblically:
Matthew 10:8 (NKJV)
#65279;8#65279; Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Ac:1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Joh:14:11: Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh:14:12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh:14:13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh:14:14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
I do know the asking must be in the will of the bible and not asked something against what the bible says not to do like ask to have two wives or take someone life and etc
Shalom REV
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Faith77, From the scriptures Paul says that you are wrong. It is not for every Christian to be gifted with every gift. It is not for every Christian to be able to do exactly the same thing as every other Christian.
We are part of the Body of Christ, each with a different role. It is true that there are healers, and there those who cast out demons, and there are those who teach and others who govern. But if anyone says that any Christian can do all things, then that person needs to study the scriptures further.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by evangelist
Part one man raised from the dead testimony from a medical certify doctor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABlOWpE8FQ&feature=related
one love
If God was responsible for the man's resurrection, why did he need to be shocked one more time before he came back? Why were the prayers not enough? Peter and Paul did not require additional medical intervention in order to effect the resurrections that were attributed to them.
I checked, Doctor Chauncey Crandall does appear to be a genuine medical doctorHealthGrades, and also very much involved in what he considers to be the Lord's work - he has is own website too. Though I find it amuzing that he should be interviewed on a set in his scrubs - playing up the fact that he is a doctor.
I would want to know more details on the man who "died" before declaring it a miracle. Situations like this one occur from time to time without anyone praying over them.
And the description of the man being deader than anything the cardiologist had ever seen seems a bit strong. The man was black from cyanosis, could there have been another explanation? Could his condition have been responsible for preserving his higher brain functions after having been clinically dead for so long?
A child up here in Canada let herself out in the middle of the night unbeknownst to her mother. It was the middle of winter and the temperatures were substantially below zero. Her frozen body was found the next morning, her heart was stopped by the time they found her, but they still managed to revive her. She lost a few fingers and toes to frostbite, but other than that she was fine.
Frozen - initial story
Follow-up
I live in Edmonton, and while I do not know her personally, I remember the reports as they went along. This is a miracle in a way, but with an explanation. Similar stories have popped up over the years, almost miraculous but with medical explanations.
The man described in the video was allegedly "resurrected" with witnesses, so I am also curious as to why others have not come forward and why this appears on YouTube and Christian websites, but does not appear to be captured by mainstream news media.
He used the wisdom of God voice also what the Holy Spirit tells him to do !
I have had this experience of divine knowledge to know to do something which I didn't know and it solve a great problem.
I spoke in tongues and the translation of the tonues told me where my son was which he knew was impossible for me to know or we lost one of our four cats and I spoke in tongue and asked for knowledge where the cat can be and I found the cat instantly like radar, but it was an spiritual revelation knowledge in what to do in a desperate situation.
Sometime this know just come into christians without speaking in tongues and they are just sensible to the Holy Spirit which know all things!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith77
Yes he can be raised from the dead and not only him but also anyone that believers decide to use Matthew 10:8 on. God has done everything that he can ever do for humans and that is through Christ's death on the cross and Christ's resurrection.Jesus gave authority to believers and said go, he said it is finished on the cross he is just looking for vessels to use here on this earth to display his Glory, Majesty and Power.
Amen!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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now is not the time my friend.
How do you know?
When you raise some dead people, please post them on YouTube. No one has done that yet.
I was talking about what Mike asked to raise everyone frm the dead or most people who innocently died and etc.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Faith77, From the scriptures Paul says that you are wrong. It is not for every Christian to be gifted with every gift. It is not for every Christian to be able to do exactly the same thing as every other Christian.
We are part of the Body of Christ, each with a different role. It is true that there are healers, and there those who cast out demons, and there are those who teach and others who govern. But if anyone says that any Christian can do all things, then that person needs to study the scriptures further.
Faith77 is biblically correct FAl but maybe wrong against what your RRC believes and teaches differently!
I know the biggest problem we have with the RRC and the bible led Christian is the interpretaion of scriptures and not knowing who the scriptures are for , who is the scriptures are talking to, and is the scriptures for the apostles or the biliever is a bad issue for the body of Christ and the RCC.
When we can both get the truth , and know what the scriptures are saying in contexts then we can come to a united understanding , and be one body one day in Christ not in some society of mine or a vatican, or watch tower society.
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Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. what he did 2000 years ago he still wants to do today. What he said 2000 years ago still applies today. Jesus did not only come for the 12 disciples but for everyone who would believe in him John 3:16. Matthew 10: 8 is for all believers in christ, there is a difference in 1cor : 12 and Matthew 10:8, Mark 16 and matthew 28. 1 cor 12 leaves a responsibility with the believer to desire after spiritual gifts but the other scriptures above are commandments to believers. It is so sad that the body of Christ here on earth is sleeping but i believe there is a remnant God is preparing who will walk in everything that God promised to believers in the bible. God will definately restore all the years that the locusts and cankerworm have eaten Joel 2
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