Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson
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Can a great faith Christian raise micheal Jackson from the dead??The bible does say we can do greater things as jesus , and we can cast out demon raise the dead, so I thought about MJ and if he was to be raised from the dead it would be a great witness to the christian more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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But only really God knows if he made the heart decission and acepted Jesus in his heart for real or not, but we will all know when we get to heaven!
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exactly evan... i think your finally starting to understand the truth.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Doubtful. I know what others think are pagan influences in my Church and I know real paganism. I know why my Church did the things it did through the centuries and what exactly was done.
For example, I celebrate Christ's birth on December 25th, not Sol Invictus. Yet how many so-called Christians are all upset with the Catholic Church for eliminating the Pagan celebration of Sol Invictus (in honor of the pagan sun God) and replacing it with a Christian holiday?
You are not one of those fighting to remove Christmas and restore Sol Invictus again are you?
Just one of many paganism philosophy!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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But maybe it wasn't MJ who died after all this year:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news..._investigators
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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But only really God knows if he made the heart decission and acepted Jesus in his heart for real or not, but we will all know when we get to heaven!
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exactly evan... i think your finally starting to understand the truth.
Thanks Mike!
I haven't arrive to perfect infallible understanding in my mind but I am getting better everyday!
Ro:12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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LOL! Funny story on Michael Jackson. And so convincingly written - I bet they have a good Elvis story somewhere too.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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LOL! Funny story on Michael Jackson. And so convincingly written - I bet they have a good Elvis story somewhere too.
Now you can see how the media can lie or reveal truth!
No wonder Benny Hinn and many others never have a chance to be a true witness!
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I always knew that about the media. So why do you feel that Benny Hinn and Todd Bentley who use the media to its full extent are somehow not able to give true witness?
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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I always knew that about the media. So why do you feel that Benny Hinn and Todd Bentley who use the media to its full extent are somehow not able to give true witness?
Those people were not on the news or world wide news as such, but Benny does have his own broadcast but is broadcat on Christian tv station throught the whole world!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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So what is his excuse for not giving true witness?
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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So what is his excuse for not giving true witness?
It depends on what is a true witness interpretaion , or your judgement of positive or negative judgement for them or against them.
I know we can't have everyone to like us , or agree with a person because we all are different in the natural, and differnt in our religious theologys!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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But there is only One Truth. Jesus Christ is the Way and the Truth and the Life. And those who preach contrary to Christ are not of Christ.
The fact that so many people do love and adore Benny Hinn and previously loved and adored Todd Bentley is not a sign that they are with God.
I have been shocked at the great crowds that follow Benny Hinn around and how much money people have given him. And I see how he has spent that money. The opulence that he has gathered to himself without a thought to the widows and sick people who gave him their last dimes for a miracle that would not happen.
Jesus warned us that there would be men like these.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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But there is only One Truth. Jesus Christ is the Way and the Truth and the Life. And those who preach contrary to Christ are not of Christ.
The fact that so many people do love and adore Benny Hinn and previously loved and adored Todd Bentley is not a sign that they are with God.
I have been shocked at the great crowds that follow Benny Hinn around and how much money people have given him. And I see how he has spent that money. The opulence that he has gathered to himself without a thought to the widows and sick people who gave him their last dimes for a miracle that would not happen.
Jesus warned us that there would be men like these.
You do know Benny Hinn is a Jew!
He still has that character of a jew even though he does give to the poor and need and has a big missionary program to feed to hungry and many more helping programs.
I know even your pope has respect for him as they have meet many times.
BTW I been to many of Benny Hinn meetings and revival and it is awesome and he does preach Jesus and not religion or you must give him money.
Too many people are forever making oath to support his ministry in wharever he does so he will not go bank rupt , he is really blessed by God, along with Kenneth Cppland and Creflo Dollar T.D jakes . joyce Meyer is for me the best women teacher on earth so far.
they all make Jesus Lord and first and not a churchy!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Glad you like them. And it's nice to know that Benny is putting some of his money into good causes like Calcutta Mercy Hospital, Andrew Wommack could take lessons from him.
And Benny Hinn was raised as Greek Orthodox, when did he become Jewish? And why do you think that a Jew would preach Jesus?
Now if only he could actually heal people instead of just rip them off with promises that never materialize.
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STORY UPDATE
Jordie, the young man in Calgary is still on dialysis and still looking for his miracle.
Little Grace is fine, says her Mom, but there's been no change in her physical condition. They haven't attended any more of Pastor Benny's crusades.
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Still Dying of Cancer
And remember Belva Ventura, who said Benny Hinn cast out cancer from her and her son?
A few weeks after that crusade in Worcester, Massachusetts, Belva's son died of cancer. When we visited several months later, she said she hadn't had a follow-up call from anyone in the Hinn organization.
Bob McKeown: "As far as you know, the ministry has no idea whether your cancer is still there or not."
Belva Ventura: "No."
Bob McKeown: "Whether you're alive or not."
Belva Ventura: "No. No. they don't. Otherwise, they would have got hold of me. Nobody did."
Her physicians evidently were not convinced of her claims of healing.
Bob McKeown: "What do your doctors say?"
Belva Ventura: "They laugh. They look at me and they laugh. They don't believe me."
Belva still believed apparently until the end. A month after our visit, she died. The cause, her doctor told us, was cancer.
Rick Ross
Whose faith was not strong enough? Belva believed that Hinn had healed her even after he failed to heal her own son. She believed fully that she had been healed. As strongly as you believe that you have been healed. She never wavered, and then she died of the very illness that Hinn claimed to have cured her of - cancer.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Glad you like them. And it's nice to know that Benny is putting some of his money into good causes like Calcutta Mercy Hospital, Andrew Wommack could take lessons from him.
And Benny Hinn was raised as Greek Orthodox, when did he become Jewish? And why do you think that a Jew would preach Jesus?
Now if only he could actually heal people instead of just rip them off with promises that never materialize.
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STORY UPDATE
Jordie, the young man in Calgary is still on dialysis and still looking for his miracle.
Little Grace is fine, says her Mom, but there's been no change in her physical condition. They haven't attended any more of Pastor Benny's crusades.
Fifth Estate
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Still Dying of Cancer
And remember Belva Ventura, who said Benny Hinn cast out cancer from her and her son?
A few weeks after that crusade in Worcester, Massachusetts, Belva's son died of cancer. When we visited several months later, she said she hadn't had a follow-up call from anyone in the Hinn organization.
Bob McKeown: "As far as you know, the ministry has no idea whether your cancer is still there or not."
Belva Ventura: "No."
Bob McKeown: "Whether you're alive or not."
Belva Ventura: "No. No. they don't. Otherwise, they would have got hold of me. Nobody did."
Her physicians evidently were not convinced of her claims of healing.
Bob McKeown: "What do your doctors say?"
Belva Ventura: "They laugh. They look at me and they laugh. They don't believe me."
Belva still believed apparently until the end. A month after our visit, she died. The cause, her doctor told us, was cancer.
Rick Ross
Whose faith was not strong enough? Belva believed that Hinn had healed her even after he failed to heal her own son. She believed fully that she had been healed. As strongly as you believe that you have been healed. She never wavered, and then she died of the very illness that Hinn claimed to have cured her of - cancer.
Yoiu mean you didn't know Benny Hinn was a born Jew??
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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