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I have been told the Catholic church was the true church, i have been told the Baptist church was the true church, and so on, and so on, will the ral church please stand up! Give me the reason why please. Thank you very much. lacy-1
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Evangelist, I would encourage you to read the actual Catechism of the Catholic Church and not the snippets with kooky commentary from anti-Catholics.
Bearing false witness is a serious sin regardless of whether you think Jesus has forgiven you for it already.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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agreed.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
here is a site for that evan. what you can do is compare what is said on your anticatholic site to what it really says in the catechism.... for instance when your site implies something from paragraph 841... then go find that paragraph and read the whole section and you can see for yourself how your bending your ear to mere deceivers.
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lacy... you posted this site on several threads now... what is it you want to know? you can probable see by the comments below the article how well that is going to go over.
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Yes. It's getting a little tiring. I agree that a Catholic School presenting a play of questionable morality (I haven't seen the play in question, so I don't know for certain) is not a good thing, but if the play is in appropriate they are going against Catholic Teaching.
How many churches out there not only have scandal among their members, but also go so far as to indoctrinate the scandalous activity - for example, the highest ranking bishop in the US Anglican Church is a woman and her most infamous act was to promote a practicing homosexual to the rank of Bishop. This clergyman is known and accepted as a sexually active priest with a lover living in his residence. This is not simply turning a blind eye, but rewarding behaviour that is known to be sinful from the scriptures.
There are many other examples of this sort of thing.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Then tell me what that CC par 841 is saying!
Catholic Catechism, par. 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. 'The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.' [LG 16; cf. NA 3.]
Muslims have the SAME GOD AS THE CATHOLICS church?????
Does the RCC think and support the belief that Muslims have the same God as Abraham???
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 10/20/2009 08:10:09
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Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, just like we do. Their understanding of God is a little warped, and they do not accept the Truth of the Trinity. But they still believe in the same God - they just do not understand Him.
Mormons and JWs also believe in the same God, but are similarly not Christian because they reject the Trinity. They believe in the same God, but likewise, do not understand Him.
They are all included in God's plan for salvation. Even you have acknowledged previously that Jesus died for everyone - including every witch, pagan, atheist, blasphemer, etc. These are all included in God's plan for salvation. That does not mean that they will be saved.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, just like we do. Their understanding of God is a little warped, and they do not accept the Truth of the Trinity. But they still believe in the same God - they just do not understand Him.
Mormons and JWs also believe in the same God, but are similarly not Christian because they reject the Trinity. They believe in the same God, but likewise, do not understand Him.
They are all included in God's plan for salvation. Even you have acknowledged previously that Jesus died for everyone - including every witch, pagan, atheist, blasphemer, etc. These are all included in God's plan for salvation. That does not mean that they will be saved.
Does your church teach they believe the same God as you???
Then I must question the truth of your church teaching as error.
That is like saying satanist have the save God as we do or Mormon Jesus is satan brother or satan is Jesus brother which they believe as truth.
If you were to tell people you knew me evangelist and all other peole say they know me also the same person and his name is evangelist or C.Moore, but say I come from china have slanted eyes, and I speak Chinesse, and english , and I am 90 years old also I am a athiest and hate christians would that make me the same Evangelist you know here as being an born again american from boston Mass but lives in Germany which I do and who is black and is a evangelist believer????
Yes or no FAL??
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, just like we do. Their understanding of God is a little warped, and they do not accept the Truth of the Trinity. But they still believe in the same God - they just do not understand Him.
Mormons and JWs also believe in the same God, but are similarly not Christian because they reject the Trinity. They believe in the same God, but likewise, do not understand Him.
They are all included in God's plan for salvation. Even you have acknowledged previously that Jesus died for everyone - including every witch, pagan, atheist, blasphemer, etc. These are all included in God's plan for salvation. That does not mean that they will be saved.
Does your church teach they believe the same God as you???
Then I must question the truth of your church teaching as error.
That is like saying satanist have the save God as we do or Mormon Jesus is satan brother or satan is Jesus brother which they believe as truth.
If you were to tell people you knew me evangelist and all other peole say they know me also the same person and his name is evangelist or C.Moore, but say I come from china have slanted eyes, and I speak Chinesse, and english , and I am 90 years old also I am a athiest and hate christians would that make me the same Evangelist you know here as being an born again american from boston Mass but lives in Germany which I do and who is black and not yellow a evangelist christian believer????
Yes or no FAL??
Everyone is basically redeemed or saved , but it is on how they chose their redemption.
Either they reject it or accept it and the credit is due unto them, or is valid by their acceptance.
It is like a will made to a person, and if they don't claim the will made for them they will remain poor busted and disgusted!
The good news is everyone has a will from Jesus , that the good news we just have to collect it!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 10/20/2009 13:22:43
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I guess these forums are goping to get alot more boreing because soon every one will be the same, look at this>
From: CatholicCulture.org
Date: 10/20/2009 4:22:59 PM
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Subject: Welcome, Anglicans!
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Welcome, Anglicans!
Dear mrs Dalrymple,
The big news today (predicted in Phil Lawler's blog yesterday) is the Vatican's announcement that it will accept into the Church Anglican congregations who wish to reunite with Rome. The relevant provisions will be set forth in a new Apostolic Constitution, responding to the many requests from Anglican congregations throughout the world.
This will provide for Anglican congregations to retain many distinctively Anglican traditions, and to be governed by a new ordinariate consisting, for the most part, of former Anglican bishops and priests who have entered the Church.
Phil Lawler explains everything in his In Depth Analysis, The Pope's bold invitation to Anglicans.
The return to Rome of an extraordinarily large number of Anglicans will enrich the Church in many ways, not least by providing fine vernacular texts composed in a time of deeper religious sensibilities. Most important, of course, is the incorporation of all that is worthy in Anglicanism into the true worship offered to the Father by Christ, head and members.
To understand what I mean, see my latest blog reflection, Putting the Liturgy in Perspective.
In other good news, Phil Lawler believes he sees a trend toward militant orthodoxy in the very highest curial appointments. See Making people squirm in On the News.
But there is some strange news as well, especially the standing ovation given to a Wisconsin priest when he told his congregation of his suspension from the priesthood. See Applauding a failed priest in On the Culture.
Meanwhile, a significant initiative of our own grows stronger by the day. If you haven't yet looked in on Peter Mirus' On Business blog, you'll find practical food for thought in two recent items which should be useful to just about everybody: Personality Types and the "God Experience" and This one is for the sufferers.
Many examples of solidarity today!
Jeff Mirus
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evan stop being so difficult... it's obvious we recognize the differences in our beliefs about god.. but the fact is that they still see through a glass even darker than ours.... we aren't saying they have the same revelation as us, or as complete as us.. but they also are not promoting moloch or shirley mcclain. it is interesting that in many cultures you can find an unnamed god.... oh wait... was paul saying that the greeks believed in the same god...?
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Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Moses, just like we do. Their understanding of God is a little warped, and they do not accept the Truth of the Trinity. But they still believe in the same God - they just do not understand Him.
Mormons and JWs also believe in the same God, but are similarly not Christian because they reject the Trinity. They believe in the same God, but likewise, do not understand Him.
They are all included in God's plan for salvation. Even you have acknowledged previously that Jesus died for everyone - including every witch, pagan, atheist, blasphemer, etc. These are all included in God's plan for salvation. That does not mean that they will be saved.
Does your church teach they believe the same God as you???
Then I must question the truth of your church teaching as error.
That is like saying satanist have the save God as we do or Mormon Jesus is satan brother or satan is Jesus brother which they believe as truth.
If you were to tell people you knew me evangelist and all other peole say they know me also the same person and his name is evangelist or C.Moore, but say I come from china have slanted eyes, and I speak Chinesse, and english , and I am 90 years old also I am a athiest and hate christians would that make me the same Evangelist you know here as being an born again american from boston Mass but lives in Germany which I do and who is black and not yellow a evangelist christian believer????
Yes or no FAL??
What if all other people who said they knew you, said you were a black man living in Germany who was involved in a disco Christian revival and had a sister who was a lesbian pastor in Christian ministry? Would that not be you?
And if they had all this right but then said that you believed that Jesus Christ was actually the Archangel Michael, and that you felt that everyone should go to church on Saturday and that we would go to Hell if we did not do this - does this mean that there is another black man living in Germany involved in Christian ministry who has a lesbian sister who is also a Christian pastor?
I would assume that we were talking about the same person, but that the others just did know you as well as I did.
Everyone is basically redeemed or saved , but it is on how they chose their redemption.
Either they reject it or accept it and the credit is due unto them, or is valid by their acceptance.
It is like a will made to a person, and if they don't claim the will made for them they will remain poor busted and disgusted!
The good news is everyone has a will from Jesus , that the good news we just have to collect it!
one love
It is not about whether they accept or reject redemption, but whether they accept or reject Christ. We choose Christ by our actions. If we really do believe that Jesus died for our sins, we would not question whether we had to obey His commands. We would do this because we trust Him.
All who abide in Christ will be saved. Those who abide in Christ are the ones who keep His commandments - this is how Jesus knows that they love Him as much as He loves them.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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evan stop being so difficult... it's obvious we recognize the differences in our beliefs about god.. but the fact is that they still see through a glass even darker than ours.... we aren't saying they have the same revelation as us, or as complete as us.. but they also are not promoting moloch or shirley mcclain. it is interesting that in many cultures you can find an unnamed god.... oh wait... was paul saying that the greeks believed in the same god...?
mike
I think the greeks had many goddess and pagan gods is that the same God you worship Mike?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello FAL
If you were to tell people you knew me evangelist and all other peole say they know me also the same person and his name is evangelist or C.Moore, but say I come from china have slanted eyes, and I speak Chinesse, and english , and I am 90 years old also I am a athiest and hate christians would that make me the same Evangelist you know here as being an born again american from boston Mass but lives in Germany which I do and who is black and not yellow a evangelist christian believer????
Yes or no FAL??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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