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Accepting Jesus as your Savior with the belief that you are now going to abide by a certain set of rules, or exchange one set for another, is not the good news. Why? Because it still depends upon your performance. And I can guarantee you that the devil will make sure you more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 10/13/2009 17:09:12
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I don't like the OT gospel of legalism and laws and regulations.
then you should become a catholic... we aren't ot and never have been.
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Do you know also circumcision was also another legalism performance , and requirement of the old also???
yes..and that is why we don't do that anymore. did you know that baptism was not an "ot legalism"? and that paul compares both but never accuses baptism of being a work like circumcision?
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Even the SDA goes by the laws of the sabath and a requirement , but does that make them right and have an infallible doctrine and gospel also??
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what do i care about the sda? they make up thier own rules like you have made up yours. and both of you reject the true church for your own pet doctrines. you might as well ask if your rejection of the sda makes you infallible.. it doesn't.
The JHW also claim like you to teach nothing but the whole truth , but do they??
I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!
If you think just being a memeber of your church is good news then you will be surprise when you stand before Jesus who was a Jew not a Catholic!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
Jehovah God is the head of JHW church so what going down?
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Jesus is Catholic.
You said "I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!"
I believe you because the roman catholic church that is in your mind & also in the collective mind of Protestants is totally different than the actual Catholic Church.
If the actual Catholic Church was exactly like the catholic church that is in the collective minds of Protestants even I would be against it.
Protestants just dont get it because Protestants spend all of their time trying to disprove the Catholic Church so they never actually see the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is hidden directly in front of Protestants eyes.
Edited by michael on 11/07/2009 14:22:33
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Jesus is Catholic.
You said "I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!"
I believe you because the roman catholic church that is in your mind & also in the collective mind of Protestants is totally different than the actual Catholic Church.
If the actual Catholic Church was exactly like the catholic church that is in the collective minds of Protestants even I would be against it.
Protestants just dont get it because Protestants spend all of their time trying to disprove the Catholic Church so they never actually see the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is hidden directly in front of Protestants eyes.
If it that close I am gald I don't see the bad news and gospel of the RCC!
The bible does say think on the things which are good , and pure and has a good report!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
Jehovah God is the head of JHW church so what going down?
one love
No He is not. The JW church was started by a man claiming to be a prophet. The Catholic Church was established by Christ personally and He is named in the Scriptures as our High Priest.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by michael
Jesus is Catholic.
You said "I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!"
I believe you because the roman catholic church that is in your mind & also in the collective mind of Protestants is totally different than the actual Catholic Church.
If the actual Catholic Church was exactly like the catholic church that is in the collective minds of Protestants even I would be against it.
Protestants just dont get it because Protestants spend all of their time trying to disprove the Catholic Church so they never actually see the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is hidden directly in front of Protestants eyes.
If it that close I am gald I don't see the bad news and gospel of the RCC!
The bible does say think on the things which are good , and pure and has a good report!
one love
You said "I am gald I don't see the bad news and gospel of the RCC!"
Again the RCC that you see & what the collective minds of Protestants see is something totally different than the actual RCC.
Since Protestants entrusted themselves to the collective minds of Protestants, what Protestants call the RCC does not even exist but they believe that it does. What Protestants think the RCC is does not actually exist. Protestants are not interested in the actual RCC because they preoccupy themselves trying to disprove their own misunderstanding of the RCC that Protestants collectively created that does not actually exist.
The actual RCC is hidden directly in front of Protestants by Protestants themselves. In a way Protestants are protesting themselves when they protest their misunderstanding of the RCC. Protestants create in their heads their own RCC that they can protest that does not actually exist then they pin it on the actual RCC. Therefore the actual RCC has been covered up within Protestants by Protestants.
A report from who? A report from the collective minds of Protestants?
Edited by michael on 11/08/2009 07:42:02
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The JHW also claim like you to teach nothing but the whole truth , but do they??
o.k. and so what do i care about the jhw? evan that is just another strawman... it's like your trying to say a man and a dog are really the same thing because they both have ears nose and mouth... let me tell you a secret... YOU also claim things like me evan.... so using your own arguments you also must be claiming to teach nothing but the truth and thus are just as suspect. really you have more in common with us catholics than the jhw's so why even bring them up?
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I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!
well that's because your just looking for trouble and not really for truth. seriously evan... when you really start dealing with what we believe and stop trying to misconsrue what we believe is when you might actually see the gospel. all you see now is a caricature of what we believe that you create to make us look silly. but even if it makes us look silly it's still not the truth about what we believe. i would suggest that if you really want to see the good news of the gospel then just look. it was a shock for me when i realized that catholicism with all it's ritual is still not nearly as legalistic as evangelicalism that rails against supposed works.
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If you think just being a memeber of your church is good news then you will be surprise when you stand before Jesus who was a Jew not a Catholic!
one love
jesus was a jew and his bride is the church... and i do think that is good news. o.k. so it's not going to make me rich or give me a jet plane, or give me holy ghost power to handle snakes..... but i wouldn't trade being part of his bride for anything. so sorry that you seek power and prestige over love.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
Jehovah God is the head of JHW church so what going down?
one love
No He is not. The JW church was started by a man claiming to be a prophet. The Catholic Church was established by Christ personally and He is named in the Scriptures as our High Priest.
Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col:1:17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col:1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col:1:19: For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Jesus is Catholic.
You said "I still don't see any good news of the gospel in a roman church catholic!"
I believe you because the roman catholic church that is in your mind & also in the collective mind of Protestants is totally different than the actual Catholic Church.
If the actual Catholic Church was exactly like the catholic church that is in the collective minds of Protestants even I would be against it.
Protestants just dont get it because Protestants spend all of their time trying to disprove the Catholic Church so they never actually see the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is hidden directly in front of Protestants eyes.
If it that close I am gald I don't see the bad news and gospel of the RCC!
The bible does say think on the things which are good , and pure and has a good report!
one love
You said "I am gald I don't see the bad news and gospel of the RCC!"
Again the RCC that you see & what the collective minds of Protestants see is something totally different than the actual RCC.
Since Protestants entrusted themselves to the collective minds of Protestants, what Protestants call the RCC does not even exist but they believe that it does. What Protestants think the RCC is does not actually exist. Protestants are not interested in the actual RCC because they preoccupy themselves trying to disprove their own misunderstanding of the RCC that Protestants collectively created that does not actually exist.
The actual RCC is hidden directly in front of Protestants by Protestants themselves. In a way Protestants are protesting themselves when they protest their misunderstanding of the RCC. Protestants create in their heads their own RCC that they can protest that does not actually exist then they pin it on the actual RCC. Therefore the actual RCC has been covered up within Protestants by Protestants.
A report from who? A report from the collective minds of Protestants?
The catholics is still under the same unbrella as all christians, just many differnt understanding of the bible and that reason is because the rcc does not have the bible as their final authority and this is the key of confusion and make the RCC having a strange gospel apart from the bible.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Mike all the good news is full of what belong to our Father ,and we as His adopted children have the rights to the blessing He has given us and much greater and more than we can ever think!
one love Mike
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
Jehovah God is the head of JHW church so what going down?
one love
No He is not. The JW church was started by a man claiming to be a prophet. The Catholic Church was established by Christ personally and He is named in the Scriptures as our High Priest.
Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col:1:17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col:1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col:1:19: For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
one love
You highlighted the wrong verse, but you selected an appropriate passage.
See also Hebrews 4:14 (and repeated elsewhere in Hebrews as well).
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church. I will be proud to stand before Him as a member in good standing of His Church.
Jehovah God is the head of JHW church so what going down?
one love
No He is not. The JW church was started by a man claiming to be a prophet. The Catholic Church was established by Christ personally and He is named in the Scriptures as our High Priest.
Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col:1:17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col:1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col:1:19: For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
one love
You highlighted the wrong verse, but you selected an appropriate passage.
See also Hebrews 4:14 (and repeated elsewhere in Hebrews as well).
OOOPs my highlight!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Mike all the good news is full of what belong to our Father ,and we as His adopted children have the rights to the blessing He has given us and much greater and more than we can ever think!
one love Mike
sure... but that has nothing to do with earthy power riches or fame evan. trust me. nothing that the prosperity crew tries to push will ever compare to what christ has prepared for us. i know that it is appealing especially in these modern times to want power.. and i have seen those who put their trust in that kind of gospel utterly fail and then get accused of not having enough faith.... that doesn't sound like a too good gospel to me. that sounds like satan.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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Mike all the good news is full of what belong to our Father ,and we as His adopted children have the rights to the blessing He has given us and much greater and more than we can ever think!
one love Mike
sure... but that has nothing to do with earthy power riches or fame evan. trust me. nothing that the prosperity crew tries to push will ever compare to what christ has prepared for us. i know that it is appealing especially in these modern times to want power.. and i have seen those who put their trust in that kind of gospel utterly fail and then get accused of not having enough faith.... that doesn't sound like a too good gospel to me. that sounds like satan.
This is nothing new under the sun Mike!
Even in the OT the properity message was operating more than you think and Israel and kings where getting bless like Solomon, Dabvid, in Moses time when the Egyptian blessed the people before they left with gold and rings and etc, even Jesus was blessed with properity with frankensence and myrth gold and other expensive things, even the diciples complained like you are doing when the women pour expensive perfume on Jesus feet to wash His feet and they said also she should use the money to feed the poor.
No! this is one reason your gospel is hidden befoe this dieing world your church want the riches and glamor for themselves in your vatican and churchy society.
How can the blind lead the blind and say they have the light of the gospel??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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