Was the Trinity ever mantioned in the Old Testemen
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I was wondering since alot of people seem to think that the Trinity is a mystery and we don't know enough about it. I wonderd if they from old knew that answer? Would they ahve handed it down to the people? What is your take on this? Thank you lacy-1
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I was wondering since alot of people seem to think that the Trinity is a mystery and we don't know enough about it. I wonderd if they from old knew that answer? Would they ahve handed it down to the people? What is your take on this? Thank you lacy-1
Isaiah 9:6
A child will be born to us, will be called:
Wonderful Counselor,
Almighty God,
Prince of Peace,
Everlasting Father.
I may be a heretic, but I've always seen that as a pretty good description of the triune God.
With hindsight, I think it is easier for the Church to SEE trinity and elaborate as more was revealed to us.
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 Hello, I agree, it's all through the old testement, these people knew alot more then and alot has been destroyed in fires etc. They say that Egypt had a large library that burned with alot of books and important information that was biblical and also medical truths also. But as far as the bible ther is alot there to show they were expecting a mesiiah to come, so they would be freed from shelo, or Purgatory, where ever the great devide is locates. There are 2 parts one where the bad go and can see the good but cannot go over to them and ofcourse the good side that wait to go to the Father. I believe baby's right back to God and all people that die horrible deaths and mentally unstabel people ETC. After if God spoke to these people back then it was through his spirit and they knew about messiah comming then thwey had to know there were at least one God and one Son and his way to communicate. As i write this to you i am communicating to you from my spirit my mind. lacy-1
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I was wondering since alot of people seem to think that the Trinity is a mystery and we don't know enough about it. I wonderd if they from old knew that answer? Would they ahve handed it down to the people? What is your take on this? Thank you lacy-1
Isaiah 9:6
A child will be born to us, will be called:
Wonderful Counselor,
Almighty God,
Prince of Peace,
Everlasting Father.
I may be a heretic, but I've always seen that as a pretty good description of the triune God.
With hindsight, I think it is easier for the Church to SEE trinity and elaborate as more was revealed to us.
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yes.. i certainly agree.. that it is a good description of the trinity and that we have an easier time seeing that with hindsight... but the question is would the jews have seen that.. it was hard for them to accept the messiah in the first place because there were too many ways that the prophecies could go, many expected him to be triumphant and take over the world through force and had no idea that the way he would conquer rome was with the gospel.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
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ok! Patrick got to Edit and i want to know how it is done?? Patrick can you tell me how? I ahbve 3 people do that and i still don't know how to edit or delete. What's up with that??? lacy-1
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Don't waste your time trying to persuade me into believing in the Trinity, because I have always been a believer (: ... but you have yet to show me why you believe "plural" means "3".
Concerning Genesis 18 - God and 2 angels (the 2 who Lot helped keep from being sodomized were angels).
acumenCry - when you say God and 2 angels,do you imply Jesus Christ and the two angels as men in the flesh eating and drinking and having their feet washed - btw Abraham adored all three as one and addressed all three as one and was addressed by all three as one - jimc
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Don't waste your time trying to persuade me into believing in the Trinity, because I have always been a believer (: ... but you have yet to show me why you believe "plural" means "3".
Concerning Genesis 18 - God and 2 angels (the 2 who Lot helped keep from being sodomized were angels).
acumenCry - when you say God and 2 angels,do you imply Jesus Christ and the two angels as men in the flesh eating and drinking and having their feet washed - btw Abraham adored all three as one and addressed all three as one and was addressed by all three as one - jimc
Well, how and why would the Sodomites try to rape angels as spiritual beings? Ha, I'm confused.
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Don't waste your time trying to persuade me into believing in the Trinity, because I have always been a believer (: ... but you have yet to show me why you believe "plural" means "3".
Concerning Genesis 18 - God and 2 angels (the 2 who Lot helped keep from being sodomized were angels).
acumenCry - when you say God and 2 angels,do you imply Jesus Christ and the two angels as men in the flesh eating and drinking and having their feet washed - btw Abraham adored all three as one and addressed all three as one and was addressed by all three as one - jimc
Well, how and why would the Sodomites try to rape angels as spiritual beings? Ha, I'm confused.
exactly and some tried to confuse me when I raised this very same topic previously here and elsewhere as Jesus incarnate "for Abraham
rejoiced to see my day[as God incarnate]and he saw it and was glad" - jimc
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well that's probably because you were playing word games and no one knew what you were really trying to discuss...
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well that's probably because you were playing word games and no one knew what you were really trying to discuss...
so what sort of a game are you playing here,as for playing word games I presume you mean like rectal cranial syndrome etc - jimc
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Sodomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Elsewhere, the legal use of the term "sodomy" is restricted to rape cases where
an .... to the “strange flesh” of the intended rape victims, who were angels,
not men. ... The city name 'Sodom' does not appear there, but the Sodomites are
.... according to verses 27 and 28, would result in the land being “defiled”:
...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy - 87k - Similar pages lacy-1
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The broader usage is not restricted to sexual assault cases, but in this particular case, the people of Sodom did not see "angels" they saw "men", angels can and did appear as men.
Sodomy was a very wicked place filled with very wicked people.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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The broader usage is not restricted to sexual assault cases, but in this particular case, the people of Sodom did not see "angels" they saw "men", angels can and did appear as men.
Sodomy was a very wicked place filled with very wicked people.
Just look at the USA today I would call it The same only we are all mixed in and it is hard to find them The wheats and tares. It is very sad. you cannot even take a walk or let your child ride a bike without getting assulted or being abducted. I would love to walk where i am at, but i am afraid,, and I am 5' tall, and not that strong at all. I stay in alot.lacy-1
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I believe all God's people knew about the Holy Spirit of the devine and all knowledgeable God of the Universe I believe they all spoke through the Holy Spirit and they sure knew there was a God, and they sure were waiting for a Messiah to come, so the answer to my question is yes they knew! lacy-1
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Rest assured that God knows the wheat from the tares.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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