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So Galileo was wrong all along and as per usual the Bible and the Church and Cardinal Bellamine were right,so why did the Church apologise to Galileo and doubt itself and the inerrant Bible.This was wrong - see www.fixedearth.com - any comments - jimc
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fixedearth.com has no idea what its talking about.
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fixedearth.com has no idea what its talking about.
or the Bible or GOD presumably also - according to guess who ? -any further comments - jimc
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fixedearth.com has no idea what its talking about.
or the Bible or GOD presumably also - according to guess who ? -any further comments - jimc
btw from a total catholic perspective see www.ScriptureCatholic.com - scroll down L/H column to Science and geocentrism - jimc
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not unless you have something serious to comment on... this pseudoscience propaganda and the idiotic rhetoric that goes with it... just isn't worth my time.... but hey maybe go to the flat earth society website and you might find some folks there interested discussing things with you.
mike
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
Flannery O'Connor
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not unless you have something serious to comment on... this pseudoscience propaganda and the idiotic rhetoric that goes with it... just isn't worth my time.... but hey maybe go to the flat earth society website and you might find some folks there interested discussing things with you.
mike
get your facts right - no creationist is or can possibly be a flat earthists - jimc
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not unless you have something serious to comment on... this pseudoscience propaganda and the idiotic rhetoric that goes with it... just isn't worth my time.... but hey maybe go to the flat earth society website and you might find some folks there interested discussing things with you.
mike
get your facts right - no creationist is or can possibly be a flat earthists - jimc
I regret to have to say I cannot guarantee this as regards catholics that are not creationists,some of whom would tend to accept many other non bibilical and foolish things - jimc
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The earth moves and the Bible does not say otherwise.
If you are going to take the Bible to the literal extremes that some take it, then the earth must also be square and flat.
Does the Bible not speak of the four corners of the world? Flat.
If the sun truly rises and sets, then it cannot simply be going around a globe, but rising and setting against a fixed flat surface, otherwise it could never really set anywhere because there would always be someplace else where it would appear to be rising.
Gallileo did not get everything right. He was an arrogant SOB that drove his peers to jeolousy and distraction, which is why they put him up for the inquisition. But he did get a lot right, and neither the Church nor the Bible stand in the way of true science. Gallileo believed that the Bible and science were capatible and even wrote a paper on the subject. I agree with him.
There is no reason for God to have made the earth and surrounding universe to your specifications. There are numerous expressions in the Bible that were never taken as literally as you take them now, and you bend the rules for interpretation by ignoring other similar expressions that would show you to be ridiculous in your assumptions.
Does anyone really turn green with envy? Sometimes we may appear purple with rage, but even if we don't the expression still gets used. How about looking green at the gills when we are sea sick? I have no gills.
My mother used to say that I was slow as cold molasses going up hill in winter. Molasses cannot go up hill at all - its a thick liquid.
Throughout history humans have used expressions to describe things or make comparisons. The Bible does this as well. Frequently.
And we still note the rising and setting of the sun, but that does not mean that those who use this expression think that the world is flat or fixed at the centre of our solar system. This expression is used with a regional reference point that changes geographically. After all, if the sun rose at 6:45 AM MDT this morning, that does not mean that it rose everywhere at that time.
I saw the sun rise, but my family to the west (next time zone over) were already finishing their breakfast and my family to the east were still snoozing in the dark and would be for a few more hours. My cousins in New Zealand were well into their day, and my other cousin in France was barely in bed from the night before.
And if you are willing to take the Bible at its literal word in all instances, where exactly are the four corners of our flat world?
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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not unless you have something serious to comment on... this pseudoscience propaganda and the idiotic rhetoric that goes with it... just isn't worth my time.... but hey maybe go to the flat earth society website and you might find some folks there interested discussing things with you.
mike
get your facts right - no creationist is or can possibly be a flat earthists - jimc
i don't see how a creationist could be geocentric.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
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The earth moves and the Bible does not say otherwise.
If you are going to take the Bible to the literal extremes that some take it, then the earth must also be square and flat.
Does the Bible not speak of the four corners of the world? Flat.
If the sun truly rises and sets, then it cannot simply be going around a globe, but rising and setting against a fixed flat surface, otherwise it could never really set anywhere because there would always be someplace else where it would appear to be rising.
Gallileo did not get everything right. He was an arrogant SOB that drove his peers to jeolousy and distraction, which is why they put him up for the inquisition. But he did get a lot right, and neither the Church nor the Bible stand in the way of true science. Gallileo believed that the Bible and science were capatible and even wrote a paper on the subject. I agree with him.
There is no reason for God to have made the earth and surrounding universe to your specifications. There are numerous expressions in the Bible that were never taken as literally as you take them now, and you bend the rules for interpretation by ignoring other similar expressions that would show you to be ridiculous in your assumptions.
Does anyone really turn green with envy? Sometimes we may appear purple with rage, but even if we don't the expression still gets used. How about looking green at the gills when we are sea sick? I have no gills.
My mother used to say that I was slow as cold molasses going up hill in winter. Molasses cannot go up hill at all - its a thick liquid.
Throughout history humans have used expressions to describe things or make comparisons. The Bible does this as well. Frequently.
And we still note the rising and setting of the sun, but that does not mean that those who use this expression think that the world is flat or fixed at the centre of our solar system. This expression is used with a regional reference point that changes geographically. After all, if the sun rose at 6:45 AM MDT this morning, that does not mean that it rose everywhere at that time.
I saw the sun rise, but my family to the west (next time zone over) were already finishing their breakfast and my family to the east were still snoozing in the dark and would be for a few more hours. My cousins in New Zealand were well into their day, and my other cousin in France was barely in bed from the night before.
And if you are willing to take the Bible at its literal word in all instances, where exactly are the four corners of our flat world?
FAL -You are utterly and totally wrong but thinking you are right you must of course think that I am wrong.This is why I have consistently and constantly advised consult the experts and specialists - so please go to www.ScriptureCatholic.com and www.DaylightOrigins.com and www.fixedearth.com - jimc
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I have consulted the experts, you have consulted non-experts who are trying to force science to fit their interpretation of scripture rather than trying to use science to better understand the universe that God created.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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And I ask again, where are the four corners of the earth? See Isaiah 11:12.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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And I ask again, where are the four corners of the earth? See Isaiah 11:12.
apparently the word can also be translated from the original as extremities - you must cease and give up the notion that the Bible as the word of God can possibly be wrong - jimc
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I do not believe that the Bible is wrong. Why do you insist that the Bible conform to your interpretation? The Bible is inerrant, but that does not mean that your interpretation is.
Pax et Bonum,
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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fixedearth.com has no idea what its talking about.
or the Bible or GOD presumably also - according to guess who ? -any further comments - jimc
There is no doubt what so ever in my mind that fixedearth.com has no idea what its talking about. Are the people who made fixedearth.com for real? Given the chance those fixedearth.com people would argue about anything. If you said the sky is up they would probably argue its not just to protest. I can not believe you would lead people from speroforum.com to people like that.
scripturecatholic has a link to traditionalists issues that support the excommunicated sspx groups point of view.
DaylightOrigins.com is not a Roman Catholic Church website.
Edited by michael on 10/23/2009 07:51:40
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Michael, be careful of jumping to conclusions by looking at a website layout, because in this case you are wrong. ScriptureCatholic is run by John Salza and he is not in support of SSPX at all. He may be a fundamentalist leaning Catholic, but he is absolutely loyal to the Magisterium of the church. Just having a link to traditionalist issues doesn't mean he supports SSPX, in fact it is the opposite.
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