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So Galileo was wrong all along and as per usual the Bible and the Church and Cardinal Bellamine were right,so why did the Church apologise to Galileo and doubt itself and the inerrant Bible.This was wrong - see www.fixedearth.com - any comments - jimc
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If the earth were fixed in place, we could be in big trouble. Rotation, orbit and gravity are huge factors in determining our position in our solar system and whether we remain on our planet with our oxygen, and whether the conditions are right for our survival (heat, cold, tides [affected by the moon's orbit around us]).
God gave us the Laws of Physics and Thermodynamics and many more. He also gave us an intellect to discover them. And yet you seem to think that He would do all this and then suspend them for this one little portion of the universe.
And so I ask again, where are the four corners of the earth?
You claim that you do not hold to a flat earth, and yet the Bible suggests it with the same kind of figures of speach that you use to claim the earth is fixed. You cannot have it both ways. Either the Bible is absolutely literal and the world is a flat square, or the Bible uses language and terms of reference suitable to be understoood by all generations.
The earth moves, we see evidence of this in so many areas - both in astronomy and geology. Only a man who keeps his eyes shut and his ears closed could be so ignorant of this fact.
The Bible does not state that the earth is fixed or does not move or even that it is the centre of the universe. No where does it say these things. That God created Heaven and Earth is a given. That is clear from the scriptures. That Heaven is separated from Earth is also a given. But the rest of what you preach is just not in the Bible.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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The Global Warming Obsession Rests on Acceptance of Billions of Years of Evolutionism
From the Fixed Earth site. Really? Who came up with the idea that global warming had anything at all to do with evolution, regardless of whether either theory is correct or not?
Many have been pushing the idea that human growth and development in terms of agriculture, industry and technology, not evolution, caused Global Warming. This site is the first indication I have seen that even attempts to link the two theories.
I personally think that Climate Change has to do our aging earth, not our own activities on it. We have been through numerous ice ages and tropical ages before = long before the industrial revolution and even before we humans walked the earth.
Global Warming as a man-made effect is more dependent on young earth and no evolution. Once we start looking at our ancient past, global warming becomes a myth invented to make money. (That said, we should still be careful what we put into our air and water and land - pollution still has negative effects on human beings and other living things).
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Michael, be careful of jumping to conclusions by looking at a website layout, because in this case you are wrong. ScriptureCatholic is run by John Salza and he is not in support of SSPX at all. He may be a fundamentalist leaning Catholic, but he is absolutely loyal to the Magisterium of the church. Just having a link to traditionalist issues doesn't mean he supports SSPX, in fact it is the opposite.
and not only that but www.DaylightOrigins.com is as Catholic as the Pope as is the link they provide www.kolbecenter.org - jimc
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The Global Warming Obsession Rests on Acceptance of Billions of Years of Evolutionism
From the Fixed Earth site. Really? Who came up with the idea that global warming had anything at all to do with evolution, regardless of whether either theory is correct or not?
Many have been pushing the idea that human growth and development in terms of agriculture, industry and technology, not evolution, caused Global Warming. This site is the first indication I have seen that even attempts to link the two theories.
I personally think that Climate Change has to do our aging earth, not our own activities on it. We have been through numerous ice ages and tropical ages before = long before the industrial revolution and even before we humans walked the earth.
Global Warming as a man-made effect is more dependent on young earth and no evolution. Once we start looking at our ancient past, global warming becomes a myth invented to make money. (That said, we should still be careful what we put into our air and water and land - pollution still has negative effects on human beings and other living things).
FAL - Whatever do you mean by an aging earth.I hope you do not mean million of years old.We have not been through numerous ice ages and tropical ages before man walked the earth,for "from the beginning created He them,male and female created He them".There was only one ice age referred to as "The Ice Age" as a result of the cooling after the Global Deluge - btw as a matter of interest see www.geocentrism.com - jimc
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Are you kidding me? Even after man was created, there have been a number of ice ages, they occur fairly regularly.
And why do you assume that man was created before anything else, the Bible shows a whole lot of other living creatures before God created man. What the Bible says is that God created us to be male and female as opposed to Asexual, Bisexual or homosexual, is from the beginning of our creation, not at the beginning of time as you suggest. Your literalist interpretation would have man created before he had an earth to stand on.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Only one ice age "The Ice Age",like "stone age","iron age",dotage etc - Man was created 144hrs after the main creation and after plants.and birds and fishes etc at the beginning of creation.Ice age came after and as a result of the cooling caused by the global deluge - jimc
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Really? Neither the Bible nor science supports that view.
There were multiple ice ages. Such "ages" were not dependant upon man's progress. We can only have one stone age, iron age, industrial age, etc. because once we went to the next stage it is pretty hard to go backwards and repeat them, although it did take longer for some groups to pass through than others. And ice age has nothing to do with us, it happens when the earth cools and goes away when the earth warms up again.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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Really? Neither the Bible nor science supports that view.
There were multiple ice ages. Such "ages" were not dependant upon man's progress. We can only have one stone age, iron age, industrial age, etc. because once we went to the next stage it is pretty hard to go backwards and repeat them, although it did take longer for some groups to pass through than others. And ice age has nothing to do with us, it happens when the earth cools and goes away when the earth warms up again.
FAL - So when quite recently did the Arctic and Antarctic form was it recently,not so recently or million of years ago and why were vast tropical forests frozen and buried.Evolutionists believe there were many ice ages,but its more likely they were advance/retreat cycles within a single Ice Age - jimc
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We have been through a mini-ice age even during recorded history. It is really not an unusual situation.
Since we have witnessed a lesser ice age and warming period during our own recorded history, the onus is on your own scientists to prove that this only happened once on a major scale.
Science has recorded at least seven different ice-ages.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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We have been through a mini-ice age even during recorded history. It is really not an unusual situation.
Since we have witnessed a lesser ice age and warming period during our own recorded history, the onus is on your own scientists to prove that this only happened once on a major scale.
Science has recorded at least seven different ice-ages.
advance/retreat cycles - doubt if any records show complete defrosting,melting and global flood - jimc
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if the earth stood still and the sun orbits around earth that means that once a day we the sun would be past the orbit of mars. this would at times place mars closer to the sun. When has the planet mars ever appeared as a crescent? It also means that we should have venus showing full in the night sky at times as well, and not just lingering around the horizon as a crescent. Also we should have mars eclipses, when mars is between the earth and sun like we do with venus...
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We have been through a mini-ice age even during recorded history. It is really not an unusual situation.
Since we have witnessed a lesser ice age and warming period during our own recorded history, the onus is on your own scientists to prove that this only happened once on a major scale.
Science has recorded at least seven different ice-ages.
advance/retreat cycles - doubt if any records show complete defrosting,melting and global flood - jimc
Advance and retreat cycles are different ice ages - why do you presume that an ice age is only over when the polar ice caps melt and the earth floods?
By your reckoning, we are still in an ice age.
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Malachi 1:11 "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts."
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If I'm not mistakened, the general idea is Galileo tried to prove the earth wasn't the center of the universe or the solar system. And, the world (at the time) was really ignorant and tried to take superstitious attitudes towards scientific principles.
There is a two-fold problem with the above general attitude. First, earth can be the center of the universe under the appropriate sense. Second, Galileo wasn't showing any attitude similar to Copernicus (a Catholic religious.) So, the problem stems from Galileo's lack of obedience and lack of truly honest scientific study.
How so?
You can derive the earth being the center of a family covenant. Afterall, God created man in His image and His likeness (Genesis.) Therefore, God's attention (much like an artist) is centered upon (at this moment in Genesis) creating a person (body and soul) with the attributes of freedom, love, and thought. For, God created man out of thought and love (one and the same -- Introduction to Christianity -- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.) As a result, man has freedom. Because, God is free and gave out of pure love (giving the attributes of intellect and will.) And, as such, sent His only begotten Son to suffer (for our sake) on the Cross (for our sins.)
Keeping in mind, the family covenant (Salvation History -- study by Dr. Scott Hahn) is the oath of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ("let us make man in our image and likeness" -- Genesis.) The Lord Sevened Himself (to take an oath -- Salvation History) by His very act of creating everything (even man.) Hence, His Son died on the Cross because He had (out of love) Sevened Himself to man.
As for Galileo's attitude, I think he was struggling with rough data about the solar system or the universe. His data wasn't (isn't) very accurate to the contrary notion of him or any other person. Therefore, he was trying to take very poor data and some irrational motive against any obedient entity (especially the Church.)
I think Our Lady and St. Francis of Assisi have witnessed the particular events of the Family Covenant of God.
"Brother sun and sister moon." -- St. Francis of Assisi
"...crowned with twelve stars..bathed with the sun...the moon at her feet..." -- Revelation
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if the earth stood still and the sun orbits around earth that means that once a day we the sun would be past the orbit of mars. this would at times place mars closer to the sun. When has the planet mars ever appeared as a crescent? It also means that we should have venus showing full in the night sky at times as well, and not just lingering around the horizon as a crescent. Also we should have mars eclipses, when mars is between the earth and sun like we do with venus...
mikejuli - go over to one of the many creation websites and pose the question and come back and let us know the answer and whether you agree or not and why etc - jimc
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why on earth do you think i would want to go to a creation website... to post a question... and report back to you? anyway i thought you were interested in what we thought... not what others thought (ala fundie creationist sites).... anyway it would probably make too much sense for those guys to understand.
The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.
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