are catholics going to hell??
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Please state if catholic are going to hell or not, and maybe state why!
1. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for belonging to the Catholic Church?
2. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for the belief in any one doctrine?
3. Do you believe Catholics can be saved?
4. Do you believe that Catholics must leave the Catholic Church before they can be saved?
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 01/25/2011 16:30:16
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We are not God to say this, for God is the judge they are not up for auction or to be proved they are evil only the very evil will not see the Lord but even catholics and Protestants are worthy of the Love of God and to enter in. Don't worry in the end all those who are his will know and will turn away from the devil and seek what is right and true.Jesus will not loose one soul unless that soul never was his. But still we are to continue in his love and if we are rejected, ( not herd) shake your feet clean and move on, not everyone who cries Lord, Lord, will enter into his rest.God does not seek your knowledge He seeks your Love and heart. Who is he that makes VOID the word of God? He is the antichrist, all who make Void the word of God is antichrist!
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Edited by baby3 on 01/24/2011 15:53:07
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Wrong questions.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Protestants do not know enough about the actual Catholic Church to be able even make a choice. I do not think there is not anything more misunderstood in the world than the Catholic Church specially by Protestants.
evangelist you seem to know more than anybody else about what Protestantism teaches about the Catholic Church & next to nothing about the actual Catholic Church.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Wrong questions.
[1] What has wise men got to do with going to hell??
[2]There wern't only three wise men, They traveled in groups of between twelve and fifty.
WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY THER WERE ONLY THREE??
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Protestants do not know enough about the actual Catholic Church to be able even make a choice. I do not think there is not anything more misunderstood in the world than the Catholic Church specially by Protestants.
evangelist you seem to know more than anybody else about what Protestantism teaches about the Catholic Church & next to nothing about the actual Catholic Church.
I am not a protestant, In my country a protestant is a Church of England or an Anglican.
I am neither of them, I am a born again Christian. And I know the Bible says you have to be born again to get into heaven, Otherwise you'll go to hell.
cathoplics aren't born again, ASK Missed heaven Mike and Doubt_at_large, They tell lies and swear. Missed heaven Mike even admits he loves hanging around with sinners. Yet the Bible says come out from amung then and be seperate.
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Originally posted by michael
Protestants do not know enough about the actual Catholic Church to be able even make a choice. I do not think there is not anything more misunderstood in the world than the Catholic Church specially by Protestants.
evangelist you seem to know more than anybody else about what Protestantism teaches about the Catholic Church & next to nothing about the actual Catholic Church.
I am not a protestant, In my country a protestant is a Church of England or an Anglican.
I am neither of them, I am a born again Christian. And I know the Bible says you have to be born again to get into heaven, Otherwise you'll go to hell.
cathoplics aren't born again, ASK Missed heaven Mike and Doubt_at_large, They tell lies and swear. Missed heaven Mike even admits he loves hanging around with sinners. Yet the Bible says come out from amung then and be seperate.
So are you saying G4 that catholic are going to hell because of their sins even though if they do trust in the Jesus of the bible and the blood of Jesus which they say they accept to wash some of their sins away until purgatory?
Are they going to hell because of their action or unbeliefs in Jesus and the trinity and the cross?
Just want to get thin´g clear from your view.
I though they are going to hell because they are catholics, or any other person goes to hell because they are not protestants.
The only difference I see that the catholics are different is that they have extra works like sacramamnts they have to add onto the salvation message and the gospel like a water baptism , eucharist, repentance to a priest, and a purgatory they make their pit stop before going to heaven which is not biblical.
What I believe is anyone who rejects Jesus as thier Lord and Saviour is going to hell.
I do know the mormons do have another Jesus and reject the trinity, and even admit they get to heaven by all they can do by self -righteousness and also sacramants which is dangerious, and they don't believe in God word as infallible so they really have no promises or covenant In what Jesus has done for us.
The same is with the JW bcause they don't make Jesus their Lord, only Jehovah like the muslims do so they have all rights to go straight to hell as by passing Jesus , but I don't really see this by Catholics as such until they make their church in place of Jesus , which I hope I am wrong.
If their CC is their author and finisher of their faith them I would have to say you are right they are in the same boat as JW only without a watch tower , but have a Council of treat, and a pope as their president like the other cults have.
This is why I have a big problem with a purgatory which cancel out the blood of Jesus and the cross, and the true born again gospel which send their leaders to hell, but i do believe in God mercy on deception and being decieved from the truth gospel they are search for and hoping to get one day.
The more FAL and Mike answers me on the purgatory thread about what a purgatory does really question their faith in Christ ,and His blood to be not saved at all and only Catholic alone which will send them to hell.
I do remember the scripture in Hosea 4:6, and a lack of knowledge can destroy a person.
If I drink poison and see for myself a big (X) on the bottle and someone say it is only water I can drink it and won't die, that is a lack of knowledge.
Even Eve was decieved by satan and look what it cost us all in twisted truth, even the pain women have by birth is a cause of deception, and the work of the ground for us men because the spirit of deception and twisted truth.
satan also said they would not die when they eat the fruit, which is an example of a twisted truth, and they paid the price for all on earth, but God still had relationship with them, and was still His Children.
While I am talking about this I would like to ask people here a question and specially you G4 do you think because of Adam and Eve disobedience that they are in hell or heaven??
Shalom G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Wrong questions.
Do you have better questions I shoud have ask FAL?
Thank you!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Wrong questions.
[1] What has wise men got to do with going to hell??
[2]There wern't only three wise men, They traveled in groups of between twelve and fifty.
WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY THER WERE ONLY THREE??
Are you actually aware of what this thread is about, because you seem to be answering questions that come from inside your own head? Certainly not from this thread or in connection with my own response.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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LOL, God4Me, you were reading my signature, not my response, and it was a joke.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Wrong questions.
Do you have better questions I shoud have ask FAL?
Thank you!
one love
How about:
1. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for belonging to the Catholic Church?
2. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for the belief in any one doctrine?
3. Do you believe Catholics can be saved?
4. Do you believe that Catholics must leave the Catholic Church before they can be saved?
This would set you up to get responses from non-Catholics.
Your original questions make assumptions about the Catholic Church that are misleading and therefore not going to provide meaningful responses.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I think Catholics are going to hell?
This one is fair enough, and fits with one of my options. There are some who believe that all Catholics are going to Hell. I initially objected to it, because I don't like encouraging people to condemn an entire group to Hell.
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I think Catholics are going to heaven ?
This is a better question to ask about Evangelicals. Not even Catholics believe that all Catholics are going to Heaven. And most Protestants would agree, that some Catholics will go to Heaven, but not all. Only the true OSAS who actually believe that Catholics have accepted Christ at some point would think that all Catholics are saved, but I don't know of any truly honest OSAS types. All the ones I have met, put additional conditions on salvation where Catholics are concerned.
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Don't know where Catholics are going!
Not so bad, but this would true for everyone. We don't know. But I don't like a whole group being lumped as a single group with an all or nothing option.
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Catholic must get out of their church to get in heaven
I included it in mine too - the answer is no, but you will get various responses. I disagree with it, but it is an honest question, even if I know what the answer will be from some. And so do you.
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Catholics must stay in thier church to go to heaven
True. But staying in the Church is not a guarantee of salvation. Again there seems to be a presupposition. The question is an honest question on your part, but it perpetuates a misunderstanding between Catholics and non-Catholics.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Wrong questions.
Do you have better questions I shoud have ask FAL?
Thank you!
one love
How about:
1. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for belonging to the Catholic Church?
2. Do you believe that Catholics are going to Hell for the belief in any one doctrine?
3. Do you believe Catholics can be saved?
4. Do you believe that Catholics must leave the Catholic Church before they can be saved?
This would set you up to get responses from non-Catholics.
Your original questions make assumptions about the Catholic Church that are misleading and therefore not going to provide meaningful responses.
Thank you FAL for those better questions i have changed them to your good questions!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by michael
Protestants do not know enough about the actual Catholic Church to be able even make a choice. I do not think there is not anything more misunderstood in the world than the Catholic Church specially by Protestants.
evangelist you seem to know more than anybody else about what Protestantism teaches about the Catholic Church & next to nothing about the actual Catholic Church.
I am not a protestant, In my country a protestant is a Church of England or an Anglican.
I am neither of them, I am a born again Christian. And I know the Bible says you have to be born again to get into heaven, Otherwise you'll go to hell.
cathoplics aren't born again, ASK Missed heaven Mike and Doubt_at_large, They tell lies and swear. Missed heaven Mike even admits he loves hanging around with sinners. Yet the Bible says come out from amung then and be seperate.
God4me you prove all the more Protestants do not know enough about the actual Catholic Church to be able even make a choice. I do not think there is not anything more misunderstood in the world than the Catholic Church specially by Protestants.
God4me you seem to know more than anybody else about what Protestantism teaches about the Catholic Church & next to nothing about the actual Catholic Church.
God4me Protestantism has given you a very very distorted view of the Catholic Church.
I am Catholic. I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, encyclicals, books, the lives of many saints, listened to Catholic CD’s, watched Catholic video’s & DVD’s, watched years & years & years of EWTN 24 hour 365 day a year Catholic television, watched EWTN on youtube yes it is even on youtube, talked with other Catholics. There is no doubt that Protestants are ignorant of what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
God4me every time you post you do not realize it but you post your ignorance for us to see.
God4me you are just one of the 38,000+ beliefs that originated with Martin Luther. It is absolutely positively clearly obvious that you get your beliefs from Protestantism sources. To hide the fact that you have gotten beliefs from Protestantism is deceptive.
A person does not have to be born again the Protestantism Christian belief way.
God4me revealing others fault in order to ruin their good name is called detraction & detraction is sinful.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Protestants protest against the Catholic Church. No one does that on this forum more than God4Me, so yes, God4Me you are by very definition a Protestant.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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well if catholics are going to hell, than i guess all religions that have roots in the catholic church are going to. Because if the church that Jesus started didnt get it right, how could a church a man started, for example luther, get it right? now what im syaing yo? 
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