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I have given a simple and clear teaching on who we are in the spirit before God on my website. Praise God it is translated also in german but the original teaching is in english for all to see and hear! This is a revelation which God shown me about who we are in Christ , and about His grace and redemption and justification, sanctification and being sinless redeemed before God in our new born again creature. the spirit new man is exactly like Jesus is in heaven in our spirit , where also we should worship Jesus out of this realm from us. It lines up with the Holy Spirit and bears record with the Hioly Spirit and bible gospel, which is the too good news of the christian gospel a born again person recieved and has, and that is why we are saved now! The curtain is the best example and so clear analogy God has shown me and others to be free from sins, condemnation, and legalism, with men judgement on our flesh and outward man, and actions and performances, big and small sins or thing we should have done big and small! i think this is awesome and has explain the gospel and truth in a child like manner which all can recieve, which is basic christianity! Please watch the whole teachings it has many parts on my website. You can also watch it on you tube! I hope it will bless you and set many free from religion and error of a non gospel many do teach! Watch and get faith here: www.revivaldisco.comone love I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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How come there is no mention of a new "spirit man" in the Bible?
How come the Bible never says that our spirits will be sealed, but that we will be sealed?
How come the Bible never says that sin is not an issue?
How come the Bible never teaches that future sins are automatically forgiven?
If the Bible teaches none of this, then why should we beleive it?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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How come there is no mention of a new "spirit man" in the Bible?
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It is just your church and demons of religion don't want you to get the truth about it, because it is part of the christian gospel and good news of Christ and the truth there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.
Satan goal is let religious people stay in the carnal mind and relate to God on an external level and realm of the natural.
But the bible does mention the new spirit man!
2 Corinthians 5:17, says "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Note that the Bible says "IF" a man is in Christ he is a new creature.
As stated above, please understand that this is not saying that a believer will never sin. The child of God receives a new nature which is the very nature of God, but the old carnal nature also remains. Because the Christian still has the old nature he will sin, but because he has received a new nature the pattern of his life will not be one of being controlled by sin (Romans 7).
Salvation is being saved from sin and its penalties. Paul states the fact of this new relationship toward sin in the genuine Christian's life. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." (Romans 6:14)
To be a born again child of God means that one does not live a life of glaring sin.
How come the Bible never says that our spirits will be sealed, but that we will be sealed?
Because FAL, the gate of hell will not prevail against us!
Your church and yourself take the meaning of church out of context so religious demons wins against against the truth who you are in Christ as the church and not an organization you claim!
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1Co:6:17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
FAL why is the (s) a small s in that verse and we all know the Holy Spirit is a Capital S??
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Eph:1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
How come the Bible never says that sin is not an issue?
It does say it FAL!
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
This brings up the question, "Does a Christian sin?" God says, "Yes!" "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). This verse is addressed to the saved. Christians will sin, but they will not like it and will fight it. Paul in Romans Chapter 7 expresses the conflict that the genuine Christian faces. He says, "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members (Romans 7:21-23).
How come the Bible never teaches that future sins are automatically forgiven?
If that was not true, then the whole salvation message and the cross would have to be repeated over and over again to get your all your future sins forgiven FAL!
That is why in Hebrew 10 also say Jesus only died once and for all times , and for all, you just reject what Jesus did for us, and I think that is another reason your church and you try to invent a pit stop like a purgatory as your excape goat and cope out of what Christ did for us.
Your church nullify the gospel and cross of Christ unaware and in lack of knowledge!
If the Bible teaches none of this, then why should we beleive it?
the religious unsaved man will enjoy his sin and will be greatly offended if it is suggested that he is a sinner. The religious lost are masters of justifying their sin.
It is very interesting that in many cases the world accepts a better standard of conduct for the Christian than many who profess to be the children of God. If you ask the average man on the street if Christians should drink, smoke, use profanity, be immoral, lie, cheat, gamble or steal they will respond with a resounding, NO! Yet, many who call themselves Christians think nothing of doing these things. If appears the lost world in some cases has a better understanding of what God meant when He said, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (1 Corinthians 6:18-20).
Some have the philosophy that if the Bible does not make specific references to some questionable act then it can not be called a sin. The Bible does not specifically mention many individual sins, but condemns all immoral acts in principle. The Word of God does not say that smoking cocaine is sin, but would any sane person conclude that it is not sin? The Bible is a book of principles. We are to examine all things by biblical principles to determine if it is right or wrong. Does smoking crack harm the body? The answer is clearly, yes! Then if it harms the body it is wrong and sin. God says he lives in our bodies (indwells) and He commands that we live pure lives and keep our physical bodies pure. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)
There is also a further commandment of God that effects the actions of a Christian. The Bible says that the child of God should, "Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22) Just because the Bible does not specifically mention something does not mean it is not sin. If an act even appears to be sinful, then the child of God is commanded to avoid it. God's standard is one of purity. The genuine Christian can accept no other standard. He too will not feel he is being cheated if he has to give up some pleasurable activity to maintain his testimony for Christ.
Did you watch my video teaching?
What part of it is bad and unholy to you?
Where did I say keep on sinning with all your heart and mind and you will still go to heaven?
I know I said near the end that if a person reject Jesus or does a lip service, they put the curtain over the spirit part of them and that send them to hell, and that is what all Islam and sorry to say Jews are doing in rejecting Jesus death burial and resurrection!
remember also who is not for God is against God and satan is against God with those he has decieved!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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How come there is no mention of a new "spirit man" in the Bible?
How come the Bible never says that our spirits will be sealed, but that we will be sealed?
How come the Bible never says that sin is not an issue?
How come the Bible never teaches that future sins are automatically forgiven?
If the Bible teaches none of this, then why should we beleive it?
IN THE BIBLE, You should try reading it.
There is mention of the new Spirit man.
Do you read the Bible with your eyes closed??
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How come there is no mention of a new "spirit man" in the Bible?
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It is just your church and demons of religion don't want you to get the truth about it, because it is part of the christian gospel and good news of Christ and the truth there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.
Satan goal is let religious people stay in the carnal mind and relate to God on an external level and realm of the natural.
But the bible does mention the new spirit man!
2 Corinthians 5:17, says "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Note that the Bible says "IF" a man is in Christ he is a new creature.
Yes, but MAN is not SPIRIT. Are you one creature or a bunch or two creatures?
As stated above, please understand that this is not saying that a believer will never sin. The child of God receives a new nature which is the very nature of God, but the old carnal nature also remains. Because the Christian still has the old nature he will sin, but because he has received a new nature the pattern of his life will not be one of being controlled by sin (Romans 7).
But with God's help, we are to overcome that carnal nature. We are not supposed to keep it.
But you are quite right on another point, we have been freed from the bondage of sin and so we are no longer under sin (controlled by sin), but that only works if we walk after the spirit and do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Romans 8).
God know how to deliver us out of temptations (2 Peter 2:9)
Salvation is being saved from sin and its penalties. Paul states the fact of this new relationship toward sin in the genuine Christian's life. "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." (Romans 6:14)
Keep reading.
To be a born again child of God means that one does not live a life of glaring sin.
I would hope not.
How come the Bible never says that our spirits will be sealed, but that we will be sealed?
Because FAL, the gate of hell will not prevail against us!
No. Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His CHURCH. This is a promise for the group, not for individuals roaming about on their own.
Your church and yourself take the meaning of church out of context so religious demons wins against against the truth who you are in Christ as the church and not an organization you claim!
The Church is described in the Bible. It has bishops and presbyters, and deacons, it has an organizational structure with many levels, and all having different roles. There is frequent mention of gathering together and working together and helping each other, but no mention of this generalized group of individual believers that you keep preaching.
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1Co:6:17: But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
FAL why is the (s) a small s in that verse and we all know the Holy Spirit is a Capital S??
Is it capitalized in the Greek, or was that a translator's choice?
We are all baptized into one body by that one Spirit. But you picked an interesting passage. You should have read it in context:
1 Corinthians 6:15-20 15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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Eph:1:13: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Amen, I was sealed, not my spirit. My spirit is a part of ME, not some separate entity.
How come the Bible never says that sin is not an issue?
It does say it FAL!
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
No. Read the condition that I highlighted in blue. And again an interesting choice. You should have kept reading. We need to avoid the things of the flesh and focus on the spirit. We are not in the flesh any longer, we are in the spirit. I like verse 13:
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Elsewhere Paul describes this as "keeping his body under subjection" (1 Corinthians 9:27).
This brings up the question, "Does a Christian sin?" God says, "Yes!" "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). This verse is addressed to the saved. Christians will sin, but they will not like it and will fight it. Paul in Romans Chapter 7 expresses the conflict that the genuine Christian faces. He says, "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members (Romans 7:21-23).
Yes we struggle, and by ourselves it would be impossible to endure to the end, but with Christ, all things are possible.
And your inner man is your conscience or soul.
How come the Bible never teaches that future sins are automatically forgiven?
If that was not true, then the whole salvation message and the cross would have to be repeated over and over again to get your all your future sins forgiven FAL!
Not at all. Jesus paid the debt for everyone, it is now a well that we can draw from as often as we need to. As often as we confess our sins, we will be forgiven (1 John 1:9). The Bible doesn't teach that future sins are forgiven, you chose to teach it because it appeals to you.
That is why in Hebrew 10 also say Jesus only died once and for all times , and for all, you just reject what Jesus did for us, and I think that is another reason your church and you try to invent a pit stop like a purgatory as your excape goat and cope out of what Christ did for us.
Yes, Jesus died once for all, but again, the Bible does not teach that all future sins are automatically forgiven. It does say that if we confess our sins we will be forgiven 1 John 1:9 and if James teaches that born again Christians may have sins that need to be forgiven in chapter 5. So the Bible clearly shows that future sins are NOT automatically forgiven, but can be forgiven.
Your church nullify the gospel and cross of Christ unaware and in lack of knowledge!
The Bible says you are wrong, and you admitted that your teachings on future sins are based on an assumption and not the Bible. And I just provided Biblical evidence that shows that future sins are NOT automatically forgiven, and you are telling me about nullifying the gospel and cross of Christ due to lack of knowledge??? 
If the Bible teaches none of this, then why should we beleive it?
the religious unsaved man will enjoy his sin and will be greatly offended if it is suggested that he is a sinner. The religious lost are masters of justifying their sin.
So true. And worst I have seen have all called themselves born again Christians. But of course, saying it doesn't make it so. We shall know them by their fruit.
It is very interesting that in many cases the world accepts a better standard of conduct for the Christian than many who profess to be the children of God. If you ask the average man on the street if Christians should drink, smoke, use profanity, be immoral, lie, cheat, gamble or steal they will respond with a resounding, NO!
I see a few man-made rules in there. Were God's commandments not good enough?
Yet, many who call themselves Christians think nothing of doing these things. If appears the lost world in some cases has a better understanding of what God meant when He said, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's" (1 Corinthians 6:18-20).
There you go. Flee fornication because SIN IS STILL AN ISSUE.
Glorify God in and with your BODY, because all of you belongs to God, not just your born again spirit.
Some have the philosophy that if the Bible does not make specific references to some questionable act then it can not be called a sin.
And others say that things that are a sin are not an issue any more.
The Bible does not specifically mention many individual sins, but condemns all immoral acts in principle. The Word of God does not say that smoking cocaine is sin, but would any sane person conclude that it is not sin?
Amen. Yet another issue.
The Bible is a book of principles. We are to examine all things by biblical principles to determine if it is right or wrong. Does smoking crack harm the body? The answer is clearly, yes! Then if it harms the body it is wrong and sin.
Amen.
God says he lives in our bodies (indwells) and He commands that we live pure lives and keep our physical bodies pure. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Corinthians 3:16)
Amen. That's how I was raised.
There is also a further commandment of God that effects the actions of a Christian. The Bible says that the child of God should, "Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1 Thessalonians 5:22) Just because the Bible does not specifically mention something does not mean it is not sin. If an act even appears to be sinful, then the child of God is commanded to avoid it. God's standard is one of purity. The genuine Christian can accept no other standard. He too will not feel he is being cheated if he has to give up some pleasurable activity to maintain his testimony for Christ.
The Catholic Church speaks of the "near occasion of sin" and "scandal". These terms cover what you just wrote.
Did you watch my video teaching?
No. I have been talking with you for several years. Unless you have changed your teaching, I see no need to hear you speak it to others.
What part of it is bad and unholy to you?
Where did I say keep on sinning with all your heart and mind and you will still go to heaven?
You have said it on this forum numerous times. You even asked me recently to prove that any sin could send someone to Hell (other than rejecting Jesus of course). Your assertion is that sinning may eventually lead to rejecting Christ and then someone would be damned, but unless they get to that point, they are free as a bird.
You have mentioned opening Satan's door, and if you agree that this separates you from God and therefore leads to Hell, then I would agree with that.
I know I said near the end that if a person reject Jesus or does a lip service, they put the curtain over the spirit part of them and that send them to hell, and that is what all Islam and sorry to say Jews are doing in rejecting Jesus death burial and resurrection!
remember also who is not for God is against God and satan is against God with those he has decieved!
watch video:
www.revivaldisco.com
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No thanks. Some other time perhaps, but it is not the charisma of the speaker that matters, but the truth. There are many heretics who were great speakers and had all sorts of followers. Even false Christs.
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Hello Fal
You can check the good gospel with whoever is being said as truth or false!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I would rather check against the Bible which actually contains the fullness of the Gospel message within, and some very good commentary on it as well.
Men will always say it something is good if it appeals to them. Even if it were a lie from Hell.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I would rather check against the Bible which actually contains the fullness of the Gospel message within, and some very good commentary on it as well.
Men will always say it something is good if it appeals to them. Even if it were a lie from Hell.
Let me get you clear on what you just said FAL!
Are you saying you would go against the bible to get the truth from it, is this what you are saying??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No check information against what is in the Bible. In other words, I would trust the Bible over your philosophy.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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No check information against what is in the Bible. In other words, I would trust the Bible over your philosophy.
have you done that over your cc philosophy first?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Protestants understanding of everything is from a Protestant bias point of view so a Protestants understanding of Catholic philosophy is from a Protestant bias point of view which means what a Protestant understands about Catholic philosophy is not Catholic philosophy but a distorted Protestant understanding of it.
Protestants have the worst of the worst understanding of the Catholic Church due to pride because they falsely think they understand the Catholic Church when in reality all they really know about the Catholic Church is their Protestantism false assumptions.
Protestants waste their life protesting the Catholic Church over Protestant false assumptions about the Catholic Church.
Protestants filter everything through a Protestant filter before they let it into them so what ends up happening is they can not see anything for what it is.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Protestants understanding of everything is from a Protestant bias point of view so a Protestants understanding of Catholic philosophy is from a Protestant bias point of view which means what a Protestant understands about Catholic philosophy is not Catholic philosophy but a distorted Protestant understanding of it.
Protestants have the worst of the worst understanding of the Catholic Church due to pride because they falsely think they understand the Catholic Church when in reality all they really know about the Catholic Church is their Protestantism false assumptions.
Protestants waste their life protesting the Catholic Church over Protestant false assumptions about the Catholic Church.
Protestants filter everything through a Protestant filter before they let it into them so what ends up happening is they can not see anything for what it is.
Is this the same way we do when we see Jehovah witness , Mormons ,and Muslims understanding through a false assumption of our protestant understanding or christian understanding??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Protestants understanding of everything is from a Protestant bias point of view so a Protestants understanding of Catholic philosophy is from a Protestant bias point of view which means what a Protestant understands about Catholic philosophy is not Catholic philosophy but a distorted Protestant understanding of it.
Protestants have the worst of the worst understanding of the Catholic Church due to pride because they falsely think they understand the Catholic Church when in reality all they really know about the Catholic Church is their Protestantism false assumptions.
Protestants waste their life protesting the Catholic Church over Protestant false assumptions about the Catholic Church.
Protestants filter everything through a Protestant filter before they let it into them so what ends up happening is they can not see anything for what it is.
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stants aren't born again Christians, They are just religious church goers like catholics.
But born again Christians know the catholic teaching is erroneous, unbiblical and mand made.
They twist the scriptures, Hebrew and Greek.
Born again Christians are Spiri filled and the Spirit of truth sows them the truth and the catholic errors.
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No check information against what is in the Bible. In other words, I would trust the Bible over your philosophy.
have you done that over your cc philosophy first?
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Actually, yes. I was never one of those blind faith types, so I investigated thoroughly and that is why I remain not only Catholic but a faithful Catholic.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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No check information against what is in the Bible. In other words, I would trust the Bible over your philosophy.
have you done that over your cc philosophy first?
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Actually, yes. I was never one of those blind faith types, so I investigated thoroughly and that is why I remain not only Catholic but a faithful Catholic.
That is why their is also faithful JW and mormons and Islamic terrorist FAL, but just because they are faithful don'T make them right and in the perfect will of God!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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