who born again christian are in the spirit!
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I have given a simple and clear teaching on who we are in the spirit before God on my website.Praise God it is translated also in german but the original teaching is in english for all to see and hear!This is a revelation which God shown me about who we are in Christ , and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 04/04/2011 03:04:44
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The debt to sin is paid. We have been released from the slavery of sin. But if we choose to return to the slavery of sin, then that is our choice and we are responsible for our end fate.
Peter said that it would be worse for a born again Christian to turn from Christ's Commandments, than if that born again Christian had never found Christ.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Simple. Jesus paid the debt for sin. Done deal.
We are no longer accountable for the sin of Adam, and any sins of our own that we have repented of are also forgiven and paid for.
We are only accountable for our own sins that we have not repented of. Jesus told us how get right with Him should we stumble. He made provision for that. But if you think that this is too much "work", then I feel sorry for you.
What happen when you forget two or three sins to repenet and get Christ on the cross again to ge those sins forgiven again and again??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Why would you even ask such a ridiculous question?
Christ died once. Period.
If you forget a mortal sin, then you were lost already.
No one who follows Christ could possibly forget a mortal sin. It isn't possible, because those that walk after Christ are warned by the Holy Spirit to repent. If anyone is not getting that warning, then they have refused to listen so often that they no longer hear it.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Why would you even ask such a ridiculous question?
Christ died once. Period.
If you forget a mortal sin, then you were lost already.
No one who follows Christ could possibly forget a mortal sin. It isn't possible, because those that walk after Christ are warned by the Holy Spirit to repent. If anyone is not getting that warning, then they have refused to listen so often that they no longer hear it.
Did you know gluttney is in the same category as adultery??
How many time do a person over eat on purpose and forget??
Is adutery a mortal sin??
let start here first for now!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Gluttony is not merely overeating a little at Thanksgiving. It is eating at the expense of everything else.
Where food is your idol.
Yes, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins. Right along with LUST, from which we get adultery and fornication.
The Seven Deadly Sins are called so because they can lead to violations of the Ten Commandments.
God did not say thou shalt not overeat. God did say thou shalt not have any gods before Him.
Jesus was labelled a glutton while on earth, and a wine bibber. Is Jesus in Hell?
If Jesus could feast and drink alcohol while on earth, then so can we.
Jesus was never accused of fornication, and of course never committed adultery. So neither can we.
Start with that.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Gluttony is not merely overeating a little at Thanksgiving. It is eating at the expense of everything else.
Where food is your idol.
Yes, gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins. Right along with LUST, from which we get adultery and fornication.
The Seven Deadly Sins are called so because they can lead to violations of the Ten Commandments.
God did not say thou shalt not overeat. God did say thou shalt not have any gods before Him.
Jesus was labelled a glutton while on earth, and a wine bibber. Is Jesus in Hell?
If Jesus could feast and drink alcohol while on earth, then so can we.
Jesus was never accused of fornication, and of course never committed adultery. So neither can we.
Start with that.
That is exactly why we are justified, righteous and holy, and why our born again spirit is the spirit of Christ who never did none of those things in the spirit!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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In an actual court of law. You can not say to the judge that your born again spirit did not do the actual crime so therefor you the whole person should not have to be sent to prison. The judge would tell you that you the whole person is going to prison. While your whole person is in prison try separating your born again spirit from it.
If you can not fool a human judge what makes Protestants think they will be able to fool God?
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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In an actual court of law. You can not say to the judge that your born again spirit did not do the actual crime so therefor you the whole person should not have to be sent to prison. The judge would tell you that you the whole person is going to prison. While your whole person is in prison try separating your born again spirit from it.
If you can not fool a human judge what makes Protestants think they will be able to fool God?
that is why god judgements is not like mans judgements!
Man judge from the. Outside god judge from the spiritual world because he is spirit not the carnal man!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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A human judge can be fooled into thinking a person did not commit a crime, but God sees a person's heart and knows if they did desire to commit a crime, whether or not any other man saw the crime or the intent.
If the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead and cannot move. Only when the spirit is in the body can it do anything. THe body cannot commit sin without the spirit.
And no one can commit sin if the sin is not first in their heart.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
A human judge can be fooled into thinking a person did not commit a crime, but God sees a person's heart and knows if they did desire to commit a crime, whether or not any other man saw the crime or the intent.
If the spirit is not in the body, the body is dead and cannot move. Only when the spirit is in the body can it do anything. THe body cannot commit sin without the spirit.
And no one can commit sin if the sin is not first in their heart.
it is the mind first then the body follows!
That is why the bible says to renew your mind not renew your spirit!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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All must be renewed. And my statement still stands. Have you no answer for that?
It is impossible for anyone to sin unless the desire to sin exists in the heart. God sees this.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Renew:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Are ye transformed? Or still stuck in ye olde ways?
2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
I thought you told me that the inward man was our spirit? Here it is being renewed day by day.
Ephesians 4:22-24 22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
It is a process. And not just one part.
Colossians 3:9-11 9Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
We not truly like Christ until we have put off our old man and put on our new man. This shows in what we DO. DEEDS matter. If you are still doing the deeds of your old man, then you have not put on your new man yet.
Titus 3:5 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
You asked another if he knew about the Holy Spirit. I expect that his answer would be the same as my own - YES. Have you?
Hebrews 6 also speaks of renewing to repentance, likening it to recrucifying Christ, but look at the whole context. It is not speaking of those who have stumbled, but those who have been born again and allowed themselves to fall away completely.
Paul writes elsewhere that Godly sorrow brings the born again Christian back to repentance. This is part of the renewal process. But it only works on those who have not fallen away.
We all stumble and fall, but if we love Christ, HE will call us back to repentance.
You keep treating repentance like it was a dirty word and yet it is a key element for the New Testament. And not just for new converts - this is repeated in the epistles to born again believers.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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All must be renewed. And my statement still stands. Have you no answer for that?
It is impossible for anyone to sin unless the desire to sin exists in the heart. God sees this.
First tell me how a born again spirit can sin itself!
tell me how a spirit which is Christ spirit in us wants to sin, or desire to disobey!
There is two pure spirit which we as Christian deal with and that is first the Holy Spirit , and the second spirit is the spirit of Christ which is our born again spirit!
Now to say our born again spirit which is of Christ Jesus sins is saying that Jesus desire and did sin!
He did no sins so that our born again spirit which is Him remamins holy in us, and it is our job to try to get that spirit of Christ in us to hook up with the Holy Spirit and fight against our minds, so that it is two against one and then people will see Christ in and outside of us as such, but more the outside with power and testimony Christ spirit is in us, but our minds are so decieved and corrupt it over comes and drowns out Christ spirit so we don't do what we should and show no powers of anointing like Christ did and thought of pure love!
I didn't mention about the body or our performances because the body follows the mind, and when our mind is renews our body will do the same as Christ and even more, and that is why we can raise the dead, heal the sick , and stay health because of all the wisdom and power we let flow through our mind into our body and we become a walking Jesus on this planet!wwwoooowww!
But our minds and making us bounce back to our pig pens!
Just a hand full of people have the victory and not any pope yet had this to set an example sorry to see and say!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 10/12/2011 03:05:27
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The desire to sin is in our spirit. Out bodies cannot move without our spirit.
If you can do all those miracles, then you can keep the commandments. NO excuses. If your mind has been renewed enough to walk in the power of Jesus, then you have the full capacity to walk in the full obedience of Jesus. You cannot have one without the other.
Either are you IN Jesus, which enables the believer to obey just as Jesus did, or you are not IN Jesus and simply abuse the powers that you were given.
Anyone who has the Spirit of God in Him can do ALL things, not just miracles. It is easier to keep the commandments than to cast out a demon. Don't say you can do the latter if the former causes you problems. Demons would eat you alive if you were not able to resist temptation.
Jesus warned that not all who walked in power would enter Heaven. He knew just as I do, that if a person can perform deeds of power, then they also have all that is needed to walk in full obedience to Christ. Therefore, if they are speaking in tongues and healing the sick, but still choosing to do what God says we may not do, is worse than the poor sinner who was never blessed with the Holy Spirit.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
The desire to sin is in our spirit. Out bodies cannot move without our spirit.
If you can do all those miracles, then you can keep the commandments. NO excuses. If your mind has been renewed enough to walk in the power of Jesus, then you have the full capacity to walk in the full obedience of Jesus. You cannot have one without the other.
Either are you IN Jesus, which enables the believer to obey just as Jesus did, or you are not IN Jesus and simply abuse the powers that you were given.
Anyone who has the Spirit of God in Him can do ALL things, not just miracles. It is easier to keep the commandments than to cast out a demon. Don't say you can do the latter if the former causes you problems. Demons would eat you alive if you were not able to resist temptation.
Jesus warned that not all who walked in power would enter Heaven. He knew just as I do, that if a person can perform deeds of power, then they also have all that is needed to walk in full obedience to Christ. Therefore, if they are speaking in tongues and healing the sick, but still choosing to do what God says we may not do, is worse than the poor sinner who was never blessed with the Holy Spirit.
If your mind was like your born again spirit you would be a walking Jesus Faith and you would be known world wide, but I see that is not the case with you niether!
I know athgiest and muslims who walk a better life and obedience in man made righteouness than most popes ,priest and pastors and leaders, but still on their way to hell.
I seen alot of people with awesome discipline and very good morals as well and still going to hell!
We need a Jesus or your doom!
Do you get still get sick?
I remember hearing a story from a kid who also understood who we are in Christ and being born again and heard of a born again person or pastor being sick and he asked if they were saved and should get saved because they got sick!
The kid was correct in asking that and questioning their christianity as being a sort of fake!
have you heard of Jesu ever getting sick, colds, and etc??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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