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I have given a simple and clear teaching on who we are in the spirit before God on my website.Praise God it is translated also in german but the original teaching is in english for all to see and hear!This is a revelation which God shown me about who we are in Christ , and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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These were the churches in existance at that time.
Of course, there will be lukewarm churches and individual Christians in the end times too.
It does not matter whether it is from the four Gospels or Revelation. All are the Inspired Word of God. Jesus did not come to preach the Old Covenant. Everything He did was in preparation for the New Covenant.
Everything that Jesus taught in the Gospel accounts during His three years of MINISTRY before His crucifixion, is now binding on all those under the New Covenant.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Where are you reading this from the four gospel or revelation, so I can see the contexts and time and who the luke warm people really are??
Do you also know there will be a luke warm church in the revelation times?
Re:3:13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re:3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Re:3:15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Re:3:17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Re:3:18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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The loss of God, for the Laodiceans came through success. They began to trust in their individualism, in their personal success and not in God.
That is the sin of pride and with it follows spiritual sloth. Pride's opposite virtue is humility. Sloths opposite virtue is diligence.
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1 John 2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
In the above scripture, St. John talks about three basic types of sin - The lust of the flesh (gluttony, lust, sloth), the lust of the eyes (greed), and the pride of life (pride, envy, anger). Overcoming these things should be our life's work.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/7deadlysins.htm
Without repentance from pride and sloth, these sins like cancer grow, until God is relegated into meaninglessness. And the connection to Him is lost.
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Where are you reading this from the four gospel or revelation, so I can see the contexts and time and who the luke warm people really are??
Do you also know there will be a luke warm church in the revelation times?
Re:3:13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re:3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Re:3:15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Re:3:17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Re:3:18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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The loss of God, for the Laodiceans came through success. They began to trust in their individualism, in their personal success and not in God.
That is the sin of pride and with it follows spiritual sloth. Pride's opposite virtue is humility. Sloths opposite virtue is diligence.
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1 John 2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
In the above scripture, St. John talks about three basic types of sin - The lust of the flesh (gluttony, lust, sloth), the lust of the eyes (greed), and the pride of life (pride, envy, anger). Overcoming these things should be our life's work.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/7deadlysins.htm
Without repentance from pride and sloth, these sins like cancer grow, until God is relegated into meaninglessness. And the connection to Him is lost.
I hope you are not think God will forsake them?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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God will never forsake anyone. But that doesn't mean that we won't forsake Him.
We have been redeemed from sin. It is not God's fault if we choose to go back to sin.
Any time sin becomes more important that God, we have rejected God and chosen sin.
How can we tell if we have reached that point?
Easy peasy - if we are willing to repent of our sin and turn back to God, we're good.
But, if the sin is just too good to let go, then Taa-Daa, we have chosen sin over Christ.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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God will never forsake anyone. But that doesn't mean that we won't forsake Him.
We have been redeemed from sin. It is not God's fault if we choose to go back to sin.
Any time sin becomes more important that God, we have rejected God and chosen sin.
How can we tell if we have reached that point?
Easy peasy - if we are willing to repent of our sin and turn back to God, we're good.
But, if the sin is just too good to let go, then Taa-Daa, we have chosen sin over Christ.
You have forgotten we will always have a fallen nature in our mind and body, unless you are saying you are the only person on earth now who is sinless in your mind and body and don't sin!
If God doesn't judge you by your heart you are in serious trouble, because if you die in a sin which you forgot to confess according to your sin condemnation, and sin consiousness, you have earned hell with satan and all his demons even though you might have been saved for thirty years and forgot a sin or two!
You can know the point where you are at when you learn who you are in Christ not in who you are in the flesh and your outward performances and works of religious , or no religious!
Do you know that there is sins we do when we don't do something we should do and didn't, like give, or help someone, forgive someone or lay hands and pray for a person you hate and etc??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You have forgotten we will always have a fallen nature in our mind and body, unless you are saying you are the only person on earth now who is sinless in your mind and body and don't sin!
The Catholic Church has not forgotten, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation. In the Act of Contrition prayer, it states: quote:
O my God, I am heartily sorry for
having offended you, and I detest
all my sins, because of Your just
punishments, but most of all because
they offend You, my God, who are
all-good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of
Your grace, to sin no more and to
avoid the near occasion of sin.
If God doesn't judge you by your heart you are in serious trouble, because if you die in a sin which you forgot to confess according to your sin condemnation, and sin consiousness, you have earned hell with satan and all his demons even though you might have been saved for thirty years and forgot a sin or two!
You fail to understand the Sacrament because you have not been catechised about mortal and venial sin or catechised in the Catholic Church. Mortal sin has three requirements; knowledge that the thought, word or deed is a mortal sin, complete acknowledgement of the will, serious matter.
You can know the point where you are at when you learn who you are in Christ not in who you are in the flesh and your outward performances and works of religious , or no religious!
Do you know that there is sins we do when we don't do something we should do and didn't, like give, or help someone, forgive someone or lay hands and pray for a person you hate and etc??
Yes, of course. There are mortal sin of omission and comission.
And, that is the point. How do the protestantisms teach about the will of God if they are repulsed by the down-and-dirty examination of conscience with His counselors?
And, in particular the people who swallow the "once saved always saved" fallacy or versions of it.
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For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
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Where are you reading this from the four gospel or revelation, so I can see the contexts and time and who the luke warm people really are??
Do you also know there will be a luke warm church in the revelation times?
Re:3:13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re:3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Re:3:15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Re:3:17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Re:3:18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
one love
The loss of God, for the Laodiceans came through success. They began to trust in their individualism, in their personal success and not in God.
That is the sin of pride and with it follows spiritual sloth. Pride's opposite virtue is humility. Sloths opposite virtue is diligence.
quote:
1 John 2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
In the above scripture, St. John talks about three basic types of sin - The lust of the flesh (gluttony, lust, sloth), the lust of the eyes (greed), and the pride of life (pride, envy, anger). Overcoming these things should be our life's work.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/7deadlysins.htm
Without repentance from pride and sloth, these sins like cancer grow, until God is relegated into meaninglessness. And the connection to Him is lost.
I hope you are not think God will forsake them?
one love
Christ is warning them about their loss of God through their incorrect attribution to self of the gifts that God has given them. And, Christ is warning them about their spiritual sloth.
This parish has faith; they believe in God's grace; but they have nothing which shows increase to the Body of Chirst due to their spiritual sloth.
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You have forgotten we will always have a fallen nature in our mind and body, unless you are saying you are the only person on earth now who is sinless in your mind and body and don't sin!
The Catholic Church has not forgotten, we have the Sacrament of Reconciliation. In the Act of Contrition prayer, it states: quote:
O my God, I am heartily sorry for
having offended you, and I detest
all my sins, because of Your just
punishments, but most of all because
they offend You, my God, who are
all-good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of
Your grace, to sin no more and to
avoid the near occasion of sin.
If God doesn't judge you by your heart you are in serious trouble, because if you die in a sin which you forgot to confess according to your sin condemnation, and sin consiousness, you have earned hell with satan and all his demons even though you might have been saved for thirty years and forgot a sin or two!
You fail to understand the Sacrament because you have not been catechised about mortal and venial sin or catechised in the Catholic Church. Mortal sin has three requirements; knowledge that the thought, word or deed is a mortal sin, complete acknowledgement of the will, serious matter.
You can know the point where you are at when you learn who you are in Christ not in who you are in the flesh and your outward performances and works of religious , or no religious!
Do you know that there is sins we do when we don't do something we should do and didn't, like give, or help someone, forgive someone or lay hands and pray for a person you hate and etc??
Yes, of course. There are mortal sin of omission and comission.
And, that is the point. How do the protestantisms teach about the will of God if they are repulsed by the down-and-dirty examination of conscience with His counselors?
And, in particular the people who swallow the "once saved always saved" fallacy or versions of it.
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For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
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Please explain this to me sense you think there is big sins and little sins before God!
Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The one point mention in this verse is any sin what soever even driving 56 in a 55 MPH zone and etc!
This verse is very clear showing all sins is guilty and filthy before God with not scale or wieght, any sin breaks the Kingdom of God rules as such!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Where are you reading this from the four gospel or revelation, so I can see the contexts and time and who the luke warm people really are??
Do you also know there will be a luke warm church in the revelation times?
Re:3:13: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Re:3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Re:3:15: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Re:3:16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Re:3:17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Re:3:18: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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The loss of God, for the Laodiceans came through success. They began to trust in their individualism, in their personal success and not in God.
That is the sin of pride and with it follows spiritual sloth. Pride's opposite virtue is humility. Sloths opposite virtue is diligence.
quote:
1 John 2:16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
In the above scripture, St. John talks about three basic types of sin - The lust of the flesh (gluttony, lust, sloth), the lust of the eyes (greed), and the pride of life (pride, envy, anger). Overcoming these things should be our life's work.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/7deadlysins.htm
Without repentance from pride and sloth, these sins like cancer grow, until God is relegated into meaninglessness. And the connection to Him is lost.
I hope you are not think God will forsake them?
one love
Christ is warning them about their loss of God through their incorrect attribution to self of the gifts that God has given them. And, Christ is warning them about their spiritual sloth.
This parish has faith; they believe in God's grace; but they have nothing which shows increase to the Body of Chirst due to their spiritual sloth.
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Please explain this to me sense you think there is big sins and little sins before God!
Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The one point mention in this verse is any sin what soever even driving 56 in a 55 MPH zone and etc!
This verse is very clear showing all sins is guilty and filthy before God with not scale or wieght, any sin breaks the Kingdom of God rules as such!
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Apparantly and unfortuneatly you must not either have read or have remembered my other posts on this topic.
I'll repost one more time.
Jesus said to Pilate, '... Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."
1 John 15:16
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If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death (venial sin), he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death (mortal sin). There is a sin that leads to death. (mortal sin) I am not saying that he should pray about that.
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http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/index/c.htm
Commandment(s)
conscience and, 1777
disobeying God's command and sin, 397
faith and, 2614
five precepts of the Church, 2041-43
God's will as our, 2822
keeping, 348, 1050
Law of the Gospel and the commandment of love, 1974
liturgy and commandment of Christ, 1341
Magisterium of the Church and, 2033
Magisterium and its authority in relation to the precepts of natural law, 2036
observance of the holy days of obligation, 2180-81, 2185
proclaiming of salvation as a mandate given to the Church, 849, 2032
purposes of the commandments of the Law, 578
recognizing the precepts of divine law, 1778, 1960
revelation of the Decalogue, 2071
right to be instructed in the divine saving precepts, 2037
transgression of the commandments the Law, 577
commandment of love
charity, 1822, 1889
charity as Christ's new commandment, 782, 1823, 1970, 2074
Decalogue as a statement of the commandments, 16, 1697, 2067
evangelical counsels and, 1973-74, 1986
as the first commandment, 575, 1337, 2055
keeping Christ's commandments, 1824
love of God, 2083-195
love of neighbor, 2196-557
Old Law and, 1968, 1984-85
Decalogue
confession and, 1456
conscience and, 1962
Creed and, 1064
demands and obligations of, 2054, 2067, 2072-73, 2081
disobeying and sin, 1853, 1858
division and numbering of, 2066
eternal life and, 2052, 2075
evangelical Law and the, 1968, 2053, 2074
as a gift from God, 2060
God's will expressed, 2059, 2063
happiness as the ultimate end of, 16
importance of, 2065, 2076, 2078
interpretation and understanding of, 2055-56, 2061, 2077
keeping of, 2052-53
natural law and, 1955, 2049, 2070-71, 2080
necessity of, 2071
Old Covenant and, 2057, 2060-62, 2077
Old Law and, 1980
purposes of the, 2063
Sacred Scripture and, 2056-63, 2078
significance of, 1724, 1962, 2033, 2057
significance of the word "Decalogue," 2056, 2058
synopsis of the Ten Commandments, 2051-52
tables of, 2058
the Ten Commandments
first, 2084-141
second, 2142-67
third, 2168-95
fourth, 2197-257
fifth, 2258-330
sixth, 2331-400
seventh, 2401-63
eighth, 2464-513
ninth, 2514-33
tenth, 2534-57
tradition of the Church and, 2064-68, 2078
unity of, 2069, 2079
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Sin(s)
of the angels, 392-93
in the Church, 827
concupiscence leads us into sin, 978
definition of, 1849-50
as the gravest evil, 1488
love is stronger than, 2844
man's strong bond to God and the knowledge of, 286-88
original (see Original sin)
reality of, 385-87
responsibility of one who cooperates in the sins of others, 1868
root of, 1853
Satan as the cause of, 2852
ways to uproot, 943
See also Original sin
capital sins
as generators of other sins, 1866
"Sins which cry to heaven," 1867
consequences of sin
loss of
communion with God, 761, 1472
eternal life, 1472
man's likeness to God, 705
murder of the Son of God, 312
punishments of, 1472-73
struggle between the spirit and the flesh, 2516
unhealthy attachment to creatures, 1472
vice and perverse inclinations, 1426, 1865
weakened life of the Christian, 1420
weakened life of the sinner, 1459
distinguishing sins
according to gravity, 1854
by their objects, 1853
interpretations of sin
death entered the history of humanity, 400, 1006, 1008
detrimental to human communion, 761, 953
man abuses his God-given freedom, 1739
moral evil entered the world, 311, 1869
offense against God, 431, 1850
personal act, 1868
rejection of God, 398
schisms, heresies, apostasies, 817
"Social sin," 1869
threats to Church unity and communion, 814, 1440
work of the flesh, 1852
liberation from sin
Baptism frees from, 977-78, 985, 1213, 1237, 1263-64
Christ
brings about the forgiveness of, 987, 1741
"expiation for our sins," 457, 604
the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world," 523, 536, 608
made satisfaction to the Father for our, 615, 1708
Christ's offering for liberation from the sins of man, 606-18
divine law, a help to those who have been wounded by, 1949
freeing of man from, 211, 549, 1989-90, 1999, 2057, 2097
God did not abandon man to the power of death, 410-11, 1609
God "made him to be sin for us," 602-03
interior penance as a way to overcome, 1431
only God can forgive, 270, 277, 430-31, 1441
prayer lest we take the way that leads to, 2846
violence and the many forms of sin manifested in Christ's passion, 1851
ways to obtain the forgiveness of, 1434-39
See also Penance and Reconciliation
mortal sins
conditions of complete consent, 1859
grave matter, 1858
full knowledge, 1859
consequences of, 1855, 1861
death in, 1033, 1035
distinction between mortal and venial, 1854
eternal punishments reserved for the one who dies in, 1033
forgiveness of mortal sins in perfect contrition, 1452, 1856
"He who does not love remains in death," 1033
imputability of the offense, 1860
sacramental forgiveness of sins
anointing of the sick and, 1520
authority and power to bind and loose sins, 553, 976, 1441-45, 1461
confessing sins according to the precept of the Church, 2042
confession and absolution, 1424
as the effect of justification, 2018
love of God as the cause for, 734
purification from the punishments for sins, 1475
and reconciliation with the Church, 1443
sacraments of, 1421, 1486, 1520
See also Penance and Reconciliation
various sins
against faith, 2088-89
against hope, 2091
anger, 2302
blasphemy, 2148
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, 1864
envy, 2539
failure to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, 2181
haired, 2303
homicide, 2268
lying, 2484
malice, 1860
sacrilege, 2120
sexual acts outside of marriage, 2390
venial sins
conditions of matter, knowledge, and consent, 1862
confession of, 1458
consequences of, 1863
ways of sinning
against God's love, 2094
of thought, word, deed, and omission, 1853
Sinner(s)
to acknowledge oneself as a, 208, 827, 1697, 2677, 2839
all men "were made sinners," 402
effects of the sacrament of Penance upon, 1423, 1468-70
every sinner as the author of Christ's passion, 598
God's mercy towards, 1465, 1846
Jesus invites, 545, 588
Jesus' mercy towards, 589, 1443
and the just in the Church, 827
justification of, 1994
Last Judgment of, 1038
penance must be done by, 1459
power to forgive, 979, 1444
purification of, 1475
ways of reconciliation of, 1449
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The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are "sins that cry to heaven": the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143
139 Cf. Gen 4:10.
140 Cf. Gen 18:20; 19:13.
141 Cf. Ex 3:7-10.
142 Cf. Ex 20:20-22.
143 Cf. Deut 24:14-15; Jas 5:4.
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And of course, if I am God and am incapable of sin, then any action contrary to good is sin.
Revelation 21:27 - quote:
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone ....
It's rather like saying, "She's only a 'little' pregnant."
However, for humans...who live in a relative and subjective state of understanding their drives and desires, there are lesser temptations and greater temptations, and those lesser and greaters - lead us either toward or away from God in greater or smaller steps (and these are always in a state of flux).
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Amen. If we commit even the tiniest sin, we are a sinner. But as John clearly states, not all sin kills. Thank God for that.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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