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I have given a simple and clear teaching on who we are in the spirit before God on my website.Praise God it is translated also in german but the original teaching is in english for all to see and hear!This is a revelation which God shown me about who we are in Christ , and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Actually, that isn't true. Those groups are forbidden to investigate the truth or falsity of their faith.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Actually, that isn't true. Those groups are forbidden to investigate the truth or falsity of their faith.
Really FaL the truth is this and very clear and simple:
2Th:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th:2:12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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That's true. And I know that you think that applies to my church, but note the last portion - that they might all be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
And remember what it also says further down in that same chapter:
Verse 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
And further in the next chapter:
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Of course, as it says even further, we are to first admonish such a one first. To warn them.
And earlier:
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
It is not just those who don't know God, but also those who do know God but do not obey His Gospel.
Faith is not an act of obedience, nor is Grace. These are gifts from God that enable you to do what God wants.
And all of this, especially that first passage you quoted to me, fits in perfectly with that corresponding passage from Peter that I keep quoting to you:
2 Peter 2:9-10 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That's true. And I know that you think that applies to my church, but note the last portion - that they might all be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
And remember what it also says further down in that same chapter:
Verse 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
And further in the next chapter:
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
Of course, as it says even further, we are to first admonish such a one first. To warn them.
And earlier:
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
It is not just those who don't know God, but also those who do know God but do not obey His Gospel.
Faith is not an act of obedience, nor is Grace. These are gifts from God that enable you to do what God wants.
And all of this, especially that first passage you quoted to me, fits in perfectly with that corresponding passage from Peter that I keep quoting to you:
2 Peter 2:9-10 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Do you have pleasure when you pray to Mary FAL?
Do you have pleasure thinking there will be a purgatory FAL?
Do you have pleasure when praying to the dead or for the dead?
Do you have pleasure in eating Jesus body literally??
I could give more to this list but let start with these question FAL!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Pleasure? No. But are you suggesting that any of those things are unrighteous? Show me from the scriptures that any of those things would be considered unrighteous.
Show me where in the Bible it is wrong to ask someone to pray for us.
Show me where it is unrighteous to believe in purgatory.
Show me where it says that we should not pray for the dead.
This is from Romans 1:
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Knowing what God wants and doing the opposite and taking pleasure in that, is unrighteous and wrong. How dare you put your own man-made traditions in place of God's own Commandments.
This is from 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You are very clever with words and I can see why you snare so many ignorant Christians, but the Bible says that your words mean nothing, no matter how sweet and charismatic you are.
Be not deceived. The Bible is quite clear on what IT means by unrighteousness. It does you no good to claim the Bible as your final authority if you are going to declare the Bible wrong and substitute your own ideas for "sins" in place of the actual sins that God wants us to be wary of.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Clearly a false prophet. He teaches a gospel other than that preached by Christ and the Apostles. He teaches his own traditions that lead people into sin.
Evan doesn't even realize it, but Satan is using him to pull people away from Christ. Whenever you find yourself exposed to teaching that is the exact opposite of Scripture the teachings of Christianity since its earliest time, you know you're not dealing with Christ.
When someone tells you that you can commit sins that Scripture tells us lead to damnation, you are not dealing with Christ.
When someone tells you that you can divorce and remarry, despite Christ's teaching the opposite, you are not dealing with Christ.
You are dealing with a spiritual snake oil salesman who is simply telling you what he needs to in order to get you to leave behind your current church for his. He is sowing disunity.
Exactly what Satan wants. Sin. Disunity.
"You have made us for Yourself, and our hearts are restless until they rest in You." St. Augustine of Hippo
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Pleasure? No. But are you suggesting that any of those things are unrighteous? Show me from the scriptures that any of those things would be considered unrighteous.
Show me where in the Bible it is wrong to ask someone to pray for us.
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We should pray for those who are alive even your pastors and leaders in the Lord but not for the dead and gone, and that include Mary or Moses and other bible people .
BTW there are people who are also decieved by praying for satan salvation, so see how dumm that is and how religious people can misunderstand prayer?
Show me where it is unrighteous to believe in purgatory.
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Heb:9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Notice not after death the bible says purgatory, and if so show me in the bible that verse!
Show me where it says that we should not pray for the dead.
Re:14:13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
This is from Romans 1:
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Knowing what God wants and doing the opposite and taking pleasure in that, is unrighteous and wrong. How dare you put your own man-made traditions in place of God's own Commandments.
This is from 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You are very clever with words and I can see why you snare so many ignorant Christians, but the Bible says that your words mean nothing, no matter how sweet and charismatic you are.
Be not deceived. The Bible is quite clear on what IT means by unrighteousness. It does you no good to claim the Bible as your final authority if you are going to declare the Bible wrong and substitute your own ideas for "sins" in place of the actual sins that God wants us to be wary of.
I put my sins on Jesus and His blood , and sence I received His grace I have no condemnation because I am in Christ , and I am a son of God redeemed, and justified before God and all the angels!
That good news FAL!
When you get born again FAL you will know where you are going for sure and how God see you in the spirit which is born again and is above.
That is why being born again is the greatest miracle on this planet!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Clearly a false prophet. He teaches a gospel other than that preached by Christ and the Apostles. He teaches his own traditions that lead people into sin.
Evan doesn't even realize it, but Satan is using him to pull people away from Christ. Whenever you find yourself exposed to teaching that is the exact opposite of Scripture the teachings of Christianity since its earliest time, you know you're not dealing with Christ.
When someone tells you that you can commit sins that Scripture tells us lead to damnation, you are not dealing with Christ.
When someone tells you that you can divorce and remarry, despite Christ's teaching the opposite, you are not dealing with Christ.
You are dealing with a spiritual snake oil salesman who is simply telling you what he needs to in order to get you to leave behind your current church for his. He is sowing disunity.
Exactly what Satan wants. Sin. Disunity.
The issue you have is accepting what the apostle Paul taught!
Ro:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Ro:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Heb:10:14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.Heb:10:15: Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb:10:16: This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb:10:17: And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
If God doesn't remember our sins why do you??
God had made me perfect so why should I go down to your philosophy and be un-made in Jesus perfection, and be conscious of all my sins and look at myself like a dirty pig that might go to a purgatory to get clean again as a clean pig??
Sorry I will stay as an egle, and a son of God in the kingdom of God because of Christ not of my own boastings of churchy theology!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Pleasure? No. But are you suggesting that any of those things are unrighteous? Show me from the scriptures that any of those things would be considered unrighteous.
Show me where in the Bible it is wrong to ask someone to pray for us.
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We should pray for those who are alive even your pastors and leaders in the Lord but not for the dead and gone, and that include Mary or Moses and other bible people .
BTW there are people who are also decieved by praying for satan salvation, so see how dumm that is and how religious people can misunderstand prayer?
Well that is your man-made tradition, but I prefer the Bible. Please show me from the scriptures where GOD said that I can't or shouldn't pray for people who are dead or ask the Saints that have gone before me to pray for me.
Show me where it is unrighteous to believe in purgatory.
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Heb:9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Notice not after death the bible says purgatory, and if so show me in the bible that verse!
There is no Heaven mentioned there either. So I guess from that verse no one is saved?
Death Judgment Heaven Hell - the four last things in the Catholic Church. Purgatory is just where we get cleaned up before going to Heaven. Hell doesn't need such a place.
Now show me from the scriptures where it is wrong to believe in such a place or that such a place does not exist.
Show me where it says that we should not pray for the dead.
Re:14:13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Read my question again. This verse does not answer it.
This is from Romans 1:
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Knowing what God wants and doing the opposite and taking pleasure in that, is unrighteous and wrong. How dare you put your own man-made traditions in place of God's own Commandments.
This is from 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You are very clever with words and I can see why you snare so many ignorant Christians, but the Bible says that your words mean nothing, no matter how sweet and charismatic you are.
Be not deceived. The Bible is quite clear on what IT means by unrighteousness. It does you no good to claim the Bible as your final authority if you are going to declare the Bible wrong and substitute your own ideas for "sins" in place of the actual sins that God wants us to be wary of.
I put my sins on Jesus and His blood , and sence I received His grace I have no condemnation because I am in Christ , and I am a son of God redeemed, and justified before God and all the angels!
That good news FAL!
In Romans 8, it specifically states that there is no condemnation IF we walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. No where does it say we can walk after the flesh and still be under the same grace.
When you get born again FAL you will know where you are going for sure and how God see you in the spirit which is born again and is above.
That is why being born again is the greatest miracle on this planet!
one love
I am born again, that is why I know that this is not true. Paul said that you are wrong in your assertion. If Paul was not absolutely certain of his own salvation, what basis do you have to be so certain of yours?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 04/13/2011 11:44:08
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Pleasure? No. But are you suggesting that any of those things are unrighteous? Show me from the scriptures that any of those things would be considered unrighteous.
Show me where in the Bible it is wrong to ask someone to pray for us.
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We should pray for those who are alive even your pastors and leaders in the Lord but not for the dead and gone, and that include Mary or Moses and other bible people .
BTW there are people who are also decieved by praying for satan salvation, so see how dumm that is and how religious people can misunderstand prayer?
Well that is your man-made tradition, but I prefer the Bible. Please show me from the scriptures where GOD said that I can't or shouldn't pray for people who are dead or ask the Saints that have gone before me to pray for me.
Show me where it is unrighteous to believe in purgatory.
Quote EV:
Heb:9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Notice not after death the bible says purgatory, and if so show me in the bible that verse!
There is no Heaven mentioned there either. So I guess from that verse no one is saved?
Death Judgment Heaven Hell - the four last things in the Catholic Church. Purgatory is just where we get cleaned up before going to Heaven. Hell doesn't need such a place.
Now show me from the scriptures where it is wrong to believe in such a place or that such a place does not exist.
Show me where it says that we should not pray for the dead.
Re:14:13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Read my question again. This verse does not answer it.
This is from Romans 1:
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Knowing what God wants and doing the opposite and taking pleasure in that, is unrighteous and wrong. How dare you put your own man-made traditions in place of God's own Commandments.
This is from 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
You are very clever with words and I can see why you snare so many ignorant Christians, but the Bible says that your words mean nothing, no matter how sweet and charismatic you are.
Be not deceived. The Bible is quite clear on what IT means by unrighteousness. It does you no good to claim the Bible as your final authority if you are going to declare the Bible wrong and substitute your own ideas for "sins" in place of the actual sins that God wants us to be wary of.
I put my sins on Jesus and His blood , and sence I received His grace I have no condemnation because I am in Christ , and I am a son of God redeemed, and justified before God and all the angels!
That good news FAL!
In Romans 8, it specifically states that there is no condemnation IF we walk after the spirit and not after the flesh. No where does it say we can walk after the flesh and still be under the same grace.
When you get born again FAL you will know where you are going for sure and how God see you in the spirit which is born again and is above.
That is why being born again is the greatest miracle on this planet!
one love
I am born again, that is why I know that this is not true. Paul said that you are wrong in your assertion. If Paul was not absolutely certain of his own salvation, what basis do you have to be so certain of yours?
Because I know about the grace and faith I have in Jesus , not a religion and churchy that a big difference FAL!
IT is all because of Jesus not of my own which I might boast of my self -righteousness like you do with all your traditiona dn sacrafice you must do and all you can do.
My asurrance is alone on Christ in what He already did!
Again your motive in what you do what you is totally under legalism and a malipulation , but mine is under what Christ did, and based upon His grace not mine FAL!
I believe when you stand before God and He ask how do you know you are born again , you will pull out your lists of do and don'ts and that is a shame FAL!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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That is a wonderful, man-made tradition. But it goes against the Bible. Why do make void the Word of God with your traditions?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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It is by the Grace of God that I can overcome sin and endure to the end. It is by God's Grace that I found Jesus and seek to abide in Him, completely and without reservation.
You claim grace, but on your own terms and definition. You reject the true power of Faith in Christ which is to remake you in His image. Truly perfect, not just pretend perfect.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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That is a wonderful, man-made tradition. But it goes against the Bible. Why do make void the Word of God with your traditions?
I don't FAL remember I am not Catholic, i am a saved born again , justified, sanctified son of God!
Ro:5:9: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Ro:5:16: And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
Ro:5:1: Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Justified is as if you never sinned, and that mean you are innocent before God and in perfect standard before God!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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It is by the Grace of God that I can overcome sin and endure to the end. It is by God's Grace that I found Jesus and seek to abide in Him, completely and without reservation.
You claim grace, but on your own terms and definition. You reject the true power of Faith in Christ which is to remake you in His image. Truly perfect, not just pretend perfect.
READ Romans again and again with your heart not your catholic mind and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth of the gift of grace and what grace mean to you and God will help you recieve, but God will not force you to believe it your choice to recieve or continue to reject it FAL!
Ro:5:14: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Ro:5:15: But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.Ro:5:16: And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have read Romans again and suggest that you do this as well. I keep showing you passages from Romans that you are rejecting.
Those passages that you presented do not support your position. You are substituting your own definition for Grace so that you can interpret Paul in opposition to himself.
The free gift is not salvation itself or all would be saved.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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