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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord, As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1. "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ." Justified. What a fascinating word. It is a word that amazingly describes how we stand in the eyes and eternal view of God. To be justified means that you stand without guilt or blame. Someone once stated that being justified means God sees me 'just if I'd never sinned". This is the truth of God's view and opinion of you. To be justified means that in the eyes of God you are in equal standing with Jesus Christ. Wow.God sees you as holy, as blameless, as pure, as innocent, as without guilt or blame just like He views His only begotten Son. When God looks at you, He sees the purity and innocence of Jesus Christ. Think of that for a moment and let it sink in. You are justified, not guilty. You are not and will never be condemned. And to be justified goes beyond just being forgiven. It means God sees you as having NEVER done anything which needs to be forgiven. Wow.How many Christians live their lives in a never ending cycle of repentance and guilt? When you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speak to your heart that "you are justified", you know that there is nothing left to repent for (accept the thought that you need to repent)! There is nothing to seek forgiveness for. There is nothing to feel guilt about. God says you are not guilty. God says not only have the charges of the law been dropped against you through the death of Christ, but there is not even a record left that you were ever a transgressor. You are justified. Wow.Look at the next words, therefore being justified by faith. As we noticed last week, our right standing before God is based wholly and fully on the grace of God through faith. And that faith is the faith OF the Son of God Who loved us and gave Himself for us. So, not only are you pure and innocent in the eyes of God, that fact has nothing to do with your own worked-up faith or belief. It is forever secured, based upon the perfect faith OF the Son of God. Wow. Christ had/has the faith that when He went to the Cross the demands of the law would be met forever. He had/has the faith that ever charge that could ever be brought against the whole human race was dropped from the Court of Heaven for eternity. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ declare forever to the whole world that you are justified before God. Do you believe that? Even if you don't, for whatever reason, it is still true! And it's all because it is based on the faultless faith OF the Son of God. Rejoice and again I say WOW! So how does it feel to be perfect and without fault in the eyes of God? Get used to it. It is the only way God ever has and ever will view you, justified. Just if I (you had never sinned). Double Wow. More Good News to Come, Michael Williams Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus! my source: http://www.gospelrevolution.com/justified.htmone love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,
As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1.
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Justified. What a fascinating word. It is a word that amazingly describes how we stand in the eyes and eternal view of God. To be justified means that you stand without guilt or blame. Someone once stated that being justified means God sees me 'just if I'd never sinned". This is the truth of God's view and opinion of you. To be justified means that in the eyes of God you are in equal standing with Jesus Christ. Wow.God sees you as holy, as blameless, as pure, as innocent, as without guilt or blame just like He views His only begotten Son. When God looks at you, He sees the purity and innocence of Jesus Christ. Think of that for a moment and let it sink in. You are justified, not guilty. You are not and will never be condemned. And to be justified goes beyond just being forgiven. It means God sees you as having NEVER done anything which needs to be forgiven. Wow.How many Christians live their lives in a never ending cycle of repentance and guilt? When you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speak to your heart that "you are justified", you know that there is nothing left to repent for (accept the thought that you need to repent)! There is nothing to seek forgiveness for. There is nothing to feel guilt about. God says you are not guilty. God says not only have the charges of the law been dropped against you through the death of Christ, but there is not even a record left that you were ever a transgressor. You are justified. Wow. Look at the next words, therefore being justified by faith. As we noticed last week, our right standing before God is based wholly and fully on the grace of God through faith. And that faith is the faith OF the Son of God Who loved us and gave Himself for us. So, not only are you pure and innocent in the eyes of God, that fact has nothing to do with your own worked-up faith or belief. It is forever secured, based upon the perfect faith OF the Son of God. Wow.
Christ had/has the faith that when He went to the Cross the demands of the law would be met forever. He had/has the faith that ever charge that could ever be brought against the whole human race was dropped from the Court of Heaven for eternity. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ declare forever to the whole world that you are justified before God. Do you believe that? Even if you don't, for whatever reason, it is still true! And it's all because it is based on the faultless faith OF the Son of God. Rejoice and again I say WOW!
So how does it feel to be perfect and without fault in the eyes of God? Get used to it. It is the only way God ever has and ever will view you, justified. Just if I (you had never sinned). Double Wow.
More Good News to Come, Michael Williams
Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!
my source: http://www.gospelrevolution.com/justified.htm
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So true, We can only be justified by faith in what Jesus did for us in His death and resurrection. No amount of religious works will ever justify us.
But in order to enjoy the benifits of being Just, We have to believe,repent and get born again.
We, Born again Christians should reign in life through Jesus, Rom 5: 17. The prayer of a righteous [Justified] man avails much. James 5: 16.

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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,
As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1.
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Justified. What a fascinating word. It is a word that amazingly describes how we stand in the eyes and eternal view of God. To be justified means that you stand without guilt or blame. Someone once stated that being justified means God sees me 'just if I'd never sinned". This is the truth of God's view and opinion of you. To be justified means that in the eyes of God you are in equal standing with Jesus Christ. Wow.God sees you as holy, as blameless, as pure, as innocent, as without guilt or blame just like He views His only begotten Son. When God looks at you, He sees the purity and innocence of Jesus Christ. Think of that for a moment and let it sink in. You are justified, not guilty. You are not and will never be condemned. And to be justified goes beyond just being forgiven. It means God sees you as having NEVER done anything which needs to be forgiven. Wow.How many Christians live their lives in a never ending cycle of repentance and guilt? When you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speak to your heart that "you are justified", you know that there is nothing left to repent for (accept the thought that you need to repent)! There is nothing to seek forgiveness for. There is nothing to feel guilt about. God says you are not guilty. God says not only have the charges of the law been dropped against you through the death of Christ, but there is not even a record left that you were ever a transgressor. You are justified. Wow. Look at the next words, therefore being justified by faith. As we noticed last week, our right standing before God is based wholly and fully on the grace of God through faith. And that faith is the faith OF the Son of God Who loved us and gave Himself for us. So, not only are you pure and innocent in the eyes of God, that fact has nothing to do with your own worked-up faith or belief. It is forever secured, based upon the perfect faith OF the Son of God. Wow.
Christ had/has the faith that when He went to the Cross the demands of the law would be met forever. He had/has the faith that ever charge that could ever be brought against the whole human race was dropped from the Court of Heaven for eternity. The death, burial and resurrection of Christ declare forever to the whole world that you are justified before God. Do you believe that? Even if you don't, for whatever reason, it is still true! And it's all because it is based on the faultless faith OF the Son of God. Rejoice and again I say WOW!
So how does it feel to be perfect and without fault in the eyes of God? Get used to it. It is the only way God ever has and ever will view you, justified. Just if I (you had never sinned). Double Wow.
More Good News to Come, Michael Williams
Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!
my source: http://www.gospelrevolution.com/justified.htm
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So true, We can only be justified by faith in what Jesus did for us in His death and resurrection. No amount of religious works will ever justify us.
But in order to enjoy the benifits of being Just, We have to believe,repent and get born again.
We, Born again Christians should reign in life through Jesus, Rom 5: 17. The prayer of a righteous [Justified] man avails much. James 5: 16.
Amen G4!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Protestants have the philosophy that the Catholic Church is doing what they assume they are doing weather Catholics believe into it or not.
Protestants are always trying to imply their false assumptions to the Catholic Church
If what you said “Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!” You are implying that the Catholic Church does you are dead wrong & brainwashed into a false assumption.
You are always posting Protestant material or links to Protestant material. We read the material & get it. Protestants have false ideas that Catholics are ignorant Whenever I read or listen to Protestant material I read or listen from a neutral point of view. Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. Protestants are protestant. Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church. So what does this mean? It means that when Protestants read or listen to Catholic material they are reading or listening to protest it in some way.
Protestants do not realize it that they are completely showing their ignorance to us Catholics about our Catholic faith when they try to teach us about our Catholic faith from their Protestant false assumption point of view
Protestants base their beliefs off of being opposed to their self created straw man catholic church.
I think it is next to impossible for a Protestant to read Catholic material from a neutral point of view because as a Protestant they will always be in protest mode searching for something to protest about it.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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This is true Michael but it works both ways i have been with many Catholics that oppose the protestant beliefs and squabble about them and laugh at the Protestants because they have not the whole bible. But when you really think of it Michael both are sinners and both have done harm to each other and of their own kind to. I believe that all who believe on the name of Jesus Christ will be with him and if they stay faithful to the commandments of God which all Christians are responsible for keeping, and helping others when and if you can and see a need, not to do it for praise but in secret your Father in heaven knows and it is all recorded in heaven, for a record is still kept of your good works and if we read the bible we would see this is true. There would not be crowns in heaven for the faithful if this was not so. There is a martyr's crown and why not? And a crown of rejoicing,an incorruptible crown,crown of righteousness, the crown of life,glory,let no man steal your crown, that is why we put on the full armour of Christ because we fight not flesh and blood but the spirit the devil who rules in high places.It is wrong to fight each other we should be fighting what is truly wrong in this world. People are starving right at this moment and being put to death for their beliefs when we are all in the boiling pot together then we will know we are all on the same side even though we do not think the same.Remember when Jesus comes back it will be to take his children home and to punish the shepherds for false religion and false teaching, not his sheep, so rejoice in the Lord all ye righteous for praise is comely for the upright, rejoice and be glad for the Lord wants a church without spot or blemish. Now you go think on this and ask if any of us is without spot or blemish and what this truly means to you. Blessings and Peace! B3
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Protestants have the philosophy that the Catholic Church is doing what they assume they are doing weather Catholics believe into it or not.
Protestants are always trying to imply their false assumptions to the Catholic Church
If what you said “Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!” You are implying that the Catholic Church does you are dead wrong & brainwashed into a false assumption.
You are always posting Protestant material or links to Protestant material. We read the material & get it. Protestants have false ideas that Catholics are ignorant Whenever I read or listen to Protestant material I read or listen from a neutral point of view. Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. Protestants are protestant. Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church. So what does this mean? It means that when Protestants read or listen to Catholic material they are reading or listening to protest it in some way.
Protestants do not realize it that they are completely showing their ignorance to us Catholics about our Catholic faith when they try to teach us about our Catholic faith from their Protestant false assumption point of view
Protestants base their beliefs off of being opposed to their self created straw man catholic church.
I think it is next to impossible for a Protestant to read Catholic material from a neutral point of view because as a Protestant they will always be in protest mode searching for something to protest about it.
This is where you are dead wrong from my side Michael! You need to check the motive of the protestant or links first to see why we don't agree , or why we are trying to correct! I correct and try to help the CC people out of love , meekness, and out of sharing what is too good gospel which you and your church is rejecting and doing a return protest, and ignorance to the mac! I know in heaven there wil not be a catholic or any religion heaven, it will be the real deal, which is Jesus and the Kingdom of God, and my motive out of love is the see you and the Catholic church be one body in Christ together in one faith, and Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith, even though we do have different personallity! What I have you should have and maybe even more, but so far I see a weak witness in and outside the catholic church. I see the church and people powerless, no authority over demons and satan, no power and anointing over the spirit of sickness, poverty, depression, no power or authority over teen agers and children who need to be on fire for the Lord. Children on the street is running more away from the CC rather to the churches because they are dead, and borring, ice cold bench and the kids are tired of a frozen church and body of Christ with no excitments. The old pipe music is like a hunted horror film back ground music for the kids and youth and a dead worship, so even the kids alone protest against it without any help from any protestant, your church is building your own protestant people or people just leaving the belief system completly and becoming more athiests! I would love to see the CC people read the bible and get the same understanding of the bible and let it work for them and their family, and help other because of the revelation of the final authority. I would love to see Catholics lay hands on the dead and they rise like us, or blind and sick get instantly healed, on the streets! I would love to see worship teams in the catholic church drawing thousands of youth off the street into the church or stadiums and arena like us, but I never seen this in all my life. I love and want to see and hear catholic know their security and asurrance they are going to heaven, and they have the same eternal redemption, and be justified like us, and find who they are in Christ and Christ in them to be lights of this dark world , instead of being another big religious group going almost hand and hand with islam! My dream is that we could share our joy and peace together in one worship to one Lord in one faith , as one family because we have the same FATHER GOD and same JESUS, and can hear the sweet loving voice of the same Holy Spirit in one accord. i have a dread that on this earth we can walk hand and hand , heart to heart with Jesus in our middle on this planet, doing all we can do to come together like in heaven so on earth! This is why I respond in this procces and direction, step , by step to come in the fullness and will of God for us sons and daughters in Christ Jesus, without any potesting, rejecting, rebellion,only saying (ONE LOVE) and being in (TRUE LOVE)! I am saying all of this just that my Catholic brothers and sister at least know my motive, my dream, my vision, and hope for us believers in Christ Jesus our Lord!
The devil , satan does know one thinh´g about us is that if we ever come together as one true body , satan and all his demons are in trouble, and there will be a heaven on earth, and God kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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quote: Originally posted by michael
Protestants have the philosophy that the Catholic Church is doing what they assume they are doing weather Catholics believe into it or not.
Protestants are always trying to imply their false assumptions to the Catholic Church
If what you said “Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!” You are implying that the Catholic Church does you are dead wrong & brainwashed into a false assumption.
You are always posting Protestant material or links to Protestant material. We read the material & get it. Protestants have false ideas that Catholics are ignorant Whenever I read or listen to Protestant material I read or listen from a neutral point of view. Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. Protestants are protestant. Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church. So what does this mean? It means that when Protestants read or listen to Catholic material they are reading or listening to protest it in some way.
Protestants do not realize it that they are completely showing their ignorance to us Catholics about our Catholic faith when they try to teach us about our Catholic faith from their Protestant false assumption point of view
Protestants base their beliefs off of being opposed to their self created straw man catholic church.
I think it is next to impossible for a Protestant to read Catholic material from a neutral point of view because as a Protestant they will always be in protest mode searching for something to protest about it.
[1]Protestants know what the Bible teaches and they know what the catholics teach, And they know they aren't the same teachings. So it isn't false assumptions by the protestants.
[2]No amount of works & self justification by works will get anyone justified in God sight.

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quote: Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!
I tnk this card has been played too much Evan. In my experience it is often the very people who make that claim that are the ones trying to justify themselves.. I find that catholic people understand grace to a much better degree than the non catholic who has made so many new rules to shun people with, and even justification is. Ow only a tool your using to condemn those whose faith is simple and pure.
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quote: Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!
I tnk this card has been played too much Evan. In my experience it is often the very people who make that claim that are the ones trying to justify themselves.. I find that catholic people understand grace to a much better degree than the non catholic who has made so many new rules to shun people with, and even justification is. Ow only a tool your using to condemn those whose faith is simple and pure.
Mike
Then if it is easy and so simple are you now justifeid, pure , and holy AS Jesus is, because you are in >Christ and have a better understanding of justification???
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Let's just say that I don't live in a paranoia or fear of backsliding envirionment anymore. And I am not in that reaction against the fear groups, which you appear to be falling for, of dealing with sin by pretending you don't. That's not justification evan, it's blowing smoke up your own ass. Anyway a lady named Mary baker eddy popularized that line of reasoning already and I'm not sure why that heresy is now becoming popular in evangelical circles except that by their refusal to believe the truth, they will now believe just about anything..
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quote: Originally posted by michael
Protestants have the philosophy that the Catholic Church is doing what they assume they are doing weather Catholics believe into it or not.
Protestants are always trying to imply their false assumptions to the Catholic Church
If what you said “Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!” You are implying that the Catholic Church does you are dead wrong & brainwashed into a false assumption.
You are always posting Protestant material or links to Protestant material. We read the material & get it. Protestants have false ideas that Catholics are ignorant Whenever I read or listen to Protestant material I read or listen from a neutral point of view. Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. Protestants are protestant. Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church. So what does this mean? It means that when Protestants read or listen to Catholic material they are reading or listening to protest it in some way.
Protestants do not realize it that they are completely showing their ignorance to us Catholics about our Catholic faith when they try to teach us about our Catholic faith from their Protestant false assumption point of view
Protestants base their beliefs off of being opposed to their self created straw man catholic church.
I think it is next to impossible for a Protestant to read Catholic material from a neutral point of view because as a Protestant they will always be in protest mode searching for something to protest about it.
This is where you are dead wrong from my side Michael! You need to check the motive of the protestant or links first to see why we don't agree , or why we are trying to correct! I correct and try to help the CC people out of love , meekness, and out of sharing what is too good gospel which you and your church is rejecting and doing a return protest, and ignorance to the mac! I know in heaven there wil not be a catholic or any religion heaven, it will be the real deal, which is Jesus and the Kingdom of God, and my motive out of love is the see you and the Catholic church be one body in Christ together in one faith, and Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith, even though we do have different personallity! What I have you should have and maybe even more, but so far I see a weak witness in and outside the catholic church. I see the church and people powerless, no authority over demons and satan, no power and anointing over the spirit of sickness, poverty, depression, no power or authority over teen agers and children who need to be on fire for the Lord. Children on the street is running more away from the CC rather to the churches because they are dead, and borring, ice cold bench and the kids are tired of a frozen church and body of Christ with no excitments. The old pipe music is like a hunted horror film back ground music for the kids and youth and a dead worship, so even the kids alone protest against it without any help from any protestant, your church is building your own protestant people or people just leaving the belief system completly and becoming more athiests! I would love to see the CC people read the bible and get the same understanding of the bible and let it work for them and their family, and help other because of the revelation of the final authority. I would love to see Catholics lay hands on the dead and they rise like us, or blind and sick get instantly healed, on the streets! I would love to see worship teams in the catholic church drawing thousands of youth off the street into the church or stadiums and arena like us, but I never seen this in all my life. I love and want to see and hear catholic know their security and asurrance they are going to heaven, and they have the same eternal redemption, and be justified like us, and find who they are in Christ and Christ in them to be lights of this dark world , instead of being another big religious group going almost hand and hand with islam! My dream is that we could share our joy and peace together in one worship to one Lord in one faith , as one family because we have the same FATHER GOD and same JESUS, and can hear the sweet loving voice of the same Holy Spirit in one accord. i have a dread that on this earth we can walk hand and hand , heart to heart with Jesus in our middle on this planet, doing all we can do to come together like in heaven so on earth! This is why I respond in this procces and direction, step , by step to come in the fullness and will of God for us sons and daughters in Christ Jesus, without any potesting, rejecting, rebellion,only saying (ONE LOVE) and being in (TRUE LOVE)! I am saying all of this just that my Catholic brothers and sister at least know my motive, my dream, my vision, and hope for us believers in Christ Jesus our Lord!
The devil , satan does know one thinh´g about us is that if we ever come together as one true body , satan and all his demons are in trouble, and there will be a heaven on earth, and God kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven!
Amen
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The motive of a Protestant to try to correct Jesus Catholic Church is very clear it is pride.
Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. The Catholic Church existed before Protestantism. The Catholic Church does not need Protestantism in order to exist but Protestantism needs the Catholic Church in order to exist or it would not have anything to protest.
God is Catholic. Jesus is Catholic. Heaven is for all peoples, it is universal, or Catholic which means universal.
Saying the Catholic Church is a frozen church, no excitement, old pipe music, & dead worship is just a Protestant subjective false assumption that Protestants have subjectively brainwashed themselves into believing.
Evan you said “I would love to see worship teams in the catholic church drawing thousands of youth off the street into the church or stadiums and arena like us, but I never seen this in all my life.”
The reason you never seen this is because you never look. Thousands? That is so small scale, World Youth Day’s draw in millions. You are painting a false picture in your own mind
There was a just a World Youth Day last weekend Aug 16 -21 in Madrid Spain with 2,000,000 in attendance.
World Youth Day Cologne Germany----------2005 1,200,000 in attendance World Youth Day Rome---------------------2000 2,000,000 in attendance World Youth Day Paris France-------------1997 1,200,000 in attendance World Youth Day Manila Philippines-------1995 5,000,000 in attendance World Youth Day Poland-------------------1991 1,600,000 in attendance World Youth Day Argentina----------------1987 1,000,000 in attendance
Song for World Youth Day Madrid in 2011
Himno oficial - JMJ 2011 - Official Hymn
World Youth Day 2011 Epic
It is Protestantism that is dying out look at the countries that Protestantism began in Northern Europe, statistically Church attendance is lowest where Protestantism began & spread.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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There have been smaller versions of this at the local level for decades as well. I have attended, as a youth (lot time ago), various Catholic youth conferences and retreats. As an adult, I have attended Catholic Family Life conferences and got to hear amazing speakers in person.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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There have been smaller versions of this at the local level for decades as well. I have attended, as a youth (lot time ago), various Catholic youth conferences and retreats. As an adult, I have attended Catholic Family Life conferences and got to hear amazing speakers in person.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Now that I think about it I went to a local Eucharistic Congress & convention. The streets were closed in a major city & the Eucharist was processed by the bishop through the streets. Jim Caviezel & Scott Hahn were some of the speakers. There were many Catholic books & videos available to buy. It was great & exciting.
I also went to a very local Catholic convention Fire in the mountains. Marcellino D’Ambrosio PhD was one of the speakers. He has a doctorate in Greek by the way.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Let's just say that I don't live in a paranoia or fear of backsliding envirionment anymore. And I am not in that reaction against the fear groups, which you appear to be falling for, of dealing with sin by pretending you don't. That's not justification evan, it's blowing smoke up your own ass. Anyway a lady named Mary baker eddy popularized that line of reasoning already and I'm not sure why that heresy is now becoming popular in evangelical circles except that by their refusal to believe the truth, they will now believe just about anything..
How many Christians live their lives in a never ending cycle of repentance and guilt? When you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit speak to your heart that "you are justified", you know that there is nothing left to repent for (accept the thought that you need to repent)! There is nothing to seek forgiveness for. There is nothing to feel guilt about. God says you are not guilty. God says not only have the charges of the law been dropped against you through the death of Christ, but there is not even a record left that you were ever a transgressor. You are justified. Wow.
Don't you get this?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Protestants have the philosophy that the Catholic Church is doing what they assume they are doing weather Catholics believe into it or not.
Protestants are always trying to imply their false assumptions to the Catholic Church
If what you said “Many religious people and religions at large are trying to get self justified , by works, good performance, and religious actions, which is self righteous , and self justification which is done on your own without help of the Lord , or the Holy Spirit, neither a help from grace. It is on your own report cards, and trying to do it yourself philosophy, which is a shame to the gospel of truth , and to Christ, and the blood of Jesus!” You are implying that the Catholic Church does you are dead wrong & brainwashed into a false assumption.
You are always posting Protestant material or links to Protestant material. We read the material & get it. Protestants have false ideas that Catholics are ignorant Whenever I read or listen to Protestant material I read or listen from a neutral point of view. Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. Protestants are protestant. Protestants are protesting the Catholic Church. So what does this mean? It means that when Protestants read or listen to Catholic material they are reading or listening to protest it in some way.
Protestants do not realize it that they are completely showing their ignorance to us Catholics about our Catholic faith when they try to teach us about our Catholic faith from their Protestant false assumption point of view
Protestants base their beliefs off of being opposed to their self created straw man catholic church.
I think it is next to impossible for a Protestant to read Catholic material from a neutral point of view because as a Protestant they will always be in protest mode searching for something to protest about it.
This is where you are dead wrong from my side Michael! You need to check the motive of the protestant or links first to see why we don't agree , or why we are trying to correct! I correct and try to help the CC people out of love , meekness, and out of sharing what is too good gospel which you and your church is rejecting and doing a return protest, and ignorance to the mac! I know in heaven there wil not be a catholic or any religion heaven, it will be the real deal, which is Jesus and the Kingdom of God, and my motive out of love is the see you and the Catholic church be one body in Christ together in one faith, and Jesus as the author and finisher of our faith, even though we do have different personallity! What I have you should have and maybe even more, but so far I see a weak witness in and outside the catholic church. I see the church and people powerless, no authority over demons and satan, no power and anointing over the spirit of sickness, poverty, depression, no power or authority over teen agers and children who need to be on fire for the Lord. Children on the street is running more away from the CC rather to the churches because they are dead, and borring, ice cold bench and the kids are tired of a frozen church and body of Christ with no excitments. The old pipe music is like a hunted horror film back ground music for the kids and youth and a dead worship, so even the kids alone protest against it without any help from any protestant, your church is building your own protestant people or people just leaving the belief system completly and becoming more athiests! I would love to see the CC people read the bible and get the same understanding of the bible and let it work for them and their family, and help other because of the revelation of the final authority. I would love to see Catholics lay hands on the dead and they rise like us, or blind and sick get instantly healed, on the streets! I would love to see worship teams in the catholic church drawing thousands of youth off the street into the church or stadiums and arena like us, but I never seen this in all my life. I love and want to see and hear catholic know their security and asurrance they are going to heaven, and they have the same eternal redemption, and be justified like us, and find who they are in Christ and Christ in them to be lights of this dark world , instead of being another big religious group going almost hand and hand with islam! My dream is that we could share our joy and peace together in one worship to one Lord in one faith , as one family because we have the same FATHER GOD and same JESUS, and can hear the sweet loving voice of the same Holy Spirit in one accord. i have a dread that on this earth we can walk hand and hand , heart to heart with Jesus in our middle on this planet, doing all we can do to come together like in heaven so on earth! This is why I respond in this procces and direction, step , by step to come in the fullness and will of God for us sons and daughters in Christ Jesus, without any potesting, rejecting, rebellion,only saying (ONE LOVE) and being in (TRUE LOVE)! I am saying all of this just that my Catholic brothers and sister at least know my motive, my dream, my vision, and hope for us believers in Christ Jesus our Lord!
The devil , satan does know one thinh´g about us is that if we ever come together as one true body , satan and all his demons are in trouble, and there will be a heaven on earth, and God kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven!
Amen
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Your dead wrong
The motive of a Protestant to try to correct Jesus Catholic Church is very clear it is pride.
Catholics are not Protestant. Catholics are not protesting Protestantism. Catholics simply are. The Catholic Church existed before Protestantism. The Catholic Church does not need Protestantism in order to exist but Protestantism needs the Catholic Church in order to exist or it would not have anything to protest.
God is Catholic. Jesus is Catholic. Heaven is for all peoples, it is universal, or Catholic which means universal.
Saying the Catholic Church is a frozen church, no excitement, old pipe music, & dead worship is just a Protestant subjective false assumption that Protestants have subjectively brainwashed themselves into believing.
Evan you said “I would love to see worship teams in the catholic church drawing thousands of youth off the street into the church or stadiums and arena like us, but I never seen this in all my life.”
The reason you never seen this is because you never look. Thousands? That is so small scale, World Youth Day’s draw in millions. You are painting a false picture in your own mind
There was a just a World Youth Day last weekend Aug 16 -21 in Madrid Spain with 2,000,000 in attendance.
World Youth Day Cologne Germany----------2005 1,200,000 in attendance World Youth Day Rome---------------------2000 2,000,000 in attendance World Youth Day Paris France-------------1997 1,200,000 in attendance World Youth Day Manila Philippines-------1995 5,000,000 in attendance World Youth Day Poland-------------------1991 1,600,000 in attendance World Youth Day Argentina----------------1987 1,000,000 in attendance
Song for World Youth Day Madrid in 2011
Himno oficial - JMJ 2011 - Official Hymn
World Youth Day 2011 Epic
It is Protestantism that is dying out look at the countries that Protestantism began in Northern Europe, statistically Church attendance is lowest where Protestantism began & spread.
What is the big difference between the body of Christ and what is universal??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Everyone one earth is welcome to be come a member of the Body of Christ. That is what makes it universal.
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