The meaning of a christian been justified, holy !
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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1."Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."Justified. What a fascinating word. It is more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/27/2011 08:08:48
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Try to start getting glory in Jesus not a church from Rome
We give glory and honor to Jesus through His Church.
We, from our founding in His Early Church, take literal His Word concerning His Body and His Blood.
That Apostolic "Church from Rome" continues to craddle and protect Jesus' Word - and has done so for 2,000 years.
She feeds and tends Jesus' sheep and lambs.
Evangelist, it is protestant error to attempt a man-made and human divorce of our Divine Saviour from His Church.
Let me get you clear on this do you give glory to God through your organization the catholic or you give Glory to God when you are in your church building??
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It not either/or; it's both and always and everywhere.
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Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
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Our whole life, our whole body, our whole mind and heart and spirit is a living sacrifice to God.
We give glory during the Mass, in communion with God and each other, and on the street and in our homes.
The Body of Christ is His Church (not the building but the institution) with all of its members. We are the Body of Christ, and do not cease to be when we leave the building.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 05/25/2012 12:44:00
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Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
So that is how you worship God in spirit and truth??
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. Spirit AND TRUTH, you cannot separate the second part from the first, and you also cannot separate your spirit from your soul or you body.
It is impossible to worship in spirit and truth apart from your body. Specifically, your spirit does not worship without your body knowing about it, and vice-versa. They are linked.
The expression, present in spirit though absent in body, does not mean that Paul is in two places. He was merely expressing that he wished he could be there with them and that he was thinking of them and likely also praying for them.
When we are praying to God, sometimes we are absent from our body in a sense, but our body is not off doing something else. I have been deeply engrossed in prayer but my body was very still, locked in prayer while my spirit worshipped.
You cannot separate and walk after both the flesh and the spirit at the same time - it takes all of you, body, mind, and spirit, to do either.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Yes. Spirit AND TRUTH, you cannot separate the second part from the first, and you also cannot separate your spirit from your soul or you body.
It is impossible to worship in spirit and truth apart from your body. Specifically, your spirit does not worship without your body knowing about it, and vice-versa. They are linked.
The expression, present in spirit though absent in body, does not mean that Paul is in two places. He was merely expressing that he wished he could be there with them and that he was thinking of them and likely also praying for them.
When we are praying to God, sometimes we are absent from our body in a sense, but our body is not off doing something else. I have been deeply engrossed in prayer but my body was very still, locked in prayer while my spirit worshipped.
You cannot separate and walk after both the flesh and the spirit at the same time - it takes all of you, body, mind, and spirit, to do either.
Please explain what Paul meant by this if you need your carnal flesh to be involve with your flesh to worship what is spiritual and unseen and untouchable by your five senses??
Ro:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Ro:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Ro:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Ro:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Not what you seem to think that means.
Are you suggesting that so long as we are alive, we cannot please God.
In the flesh in this sense does not mean being in our physical body, but being attached to sin.
Those that seek to fulfill the lusts of the flesh are in the FLESH. Those that seek after God are in the spirit.
YOU are not two separate persons. You are one person. Either you walk after the flesh and do what the flesh desires, or you walk after the spirit and do what God wills.
Them that cannot please God are damned to Hell - their spirits are going with their bodies.
If your spirit can please God, BULL. Not without Jesus.
Your spirit only pleases God in Christ, and Christ in you. Christ is not in your spirit. Christ is in YOU. The Holy Spirit does not come to dwell in your spirit. He comes to dwel in YOU.
Your flesh and blood body IS the Temple of the Holy Spirit. If you allow your TEMPLE to be defiled through sin, you are in the Flesh and not the Spirit.
It does not matter what you think your spirit is up to. The way to tell if your spirit is being all that God wants you to be is by what your mind and body are doing.
If you do not desire sin, then you won't do sin. Simple.
And if you find that you still have a little attachment to sin, well, God can help you with that. Let go of your old man. You don't need him anymore.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Not what you seem to think that means.
Are you suggesting that so long as we are alive, we cannot please God.
In the flesh in this sense does not mean being in our physical body, but being attached to sin.
Those that seek to fulfill the lusts of the flesh are in the FLESH. Those that seek after God are in the spirit.
YOU are not two separate persons. You are one person. Either you walk after the flesh and do what the flesh desires, or you walk after the spirit and do what God wills.
Them that cannot please God are damned to Hell - their spirits are going with their bodies.
If your spirit can please God, BULL. Not without Jesus.
Your spirit only pleases God in Christ, and Christ in you. Christ is not in your spirit. Christ is in YOU. The Holy Spirit does not come to dwell in your spirit. He comes to dwel in YOU.
Your flesh and blood body IS the Temple of the Holy Spirit. If you allow your TEMPLE to be defiled through sin, you are in the Flesh and not the Spirit.
It does not matter what you think your spirit is up to. The way to tell if your spirit is being all that God wants you to be is by what your mind and body are doing.
If you do not desire sin, then you won't do sin. Simple.
And if you find that you still have a little attachment to sin, well, God can help you with that. Let go of your old man. You don't need him anymore.
Then where is that born again you?
Where lies the Holy Spirit in you?
Joh:7:37: In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh:7:38: He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh:7:39: (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Where lies your natural spirit?
Where lies your soul?
Where is your heart and is all these part in the same place ???
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 05/27/2012 16:33:24
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Inside your physical body.
Where did you think?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Inside your physical body.
Where did you think?
Your body has many parts but i know are one , but where exactly lies these things I asked???
I know my heart for instance is in my body , but I am not silly to think my heart is in my head or my belly in my heart and etc, so please answer my questions!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The spirit is spirit, it can fill up your entire body, so why ask such a silly question? It does not need to reside in your physical heart or physical brain.
The only thing that matters is that without your spirit, your body is a dead lump of flesh.
If you feel the need to restrict the Holy Spirit to a body part you can always try your hands - after all if you can lay hands on someone and heal them, then the Holy Spirit must be there.
The Holy Spirit is given throught the laying on of hands by an Apostle or his successor, so that is another good cause to beleive that the Holy Spirit resides in your hands.
However, to put such limitations on a spirit is a joke. Your spirit resides in your flesh.
The Bible says that if you hire a prostitute, you are making a prostitute a member of Jesus Christ - so do you think then that Jesus resides in your private area under your pants?
Don't try to pinpoint where, it does not matter.
What matters is that if your spirit leaves your body, your body dies.
And the Holy Spirit dwells with your spirit, but not IN your spirit. You WHOLE BODY is a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Paul said this. He did not say this part or that part. YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. The whole thing.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 05/28/2012 11:59:57
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The spirit is spirit, it can fill up your entire body, so why ask such a silly question? It does not need to reside in your physical heart or physical brain.
The only thing that matters is that without your spirit, your body is a dead lump of flesh.
If you feel the need to restrict the Holy Spirit to a body part you can always try your hands - after all if you can lay hands on someone and heal them, then the Holy Spirit must be there.
The Holy Spirit is given throught the laying on of hands by an Apostle or his successor, so that is another good cause to beleive that the Holy Spirit resides in your hands.
However, to put such limitations on a spirit is a joke. Your spirit resides in your flesh.
The Bible says that if you hire a prostitute, you are making a prostitute a member of Jesus Christ - so do you think then that Jesus resides in your private area under your pants?
Don't try to pinpoint where, it does not matter.
What matters is that if your spirit leaves your body, your body dies.
And the Holy Spirit dwells with your spirit, but not IN your spirit. You WHOLE BODY is a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Paul said this. He did not say this part or that part. YOUR BODY IS A TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. The whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjyBJvMFaY&feature=relmfu
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 05/29/2012 12:21:30
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Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
So that is how you worship God in spirit and truth??
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
one love
You're not familiar with these paragraphs from Sacred Scripture?
Christ's Church worshipped through prayer and the breaking of the Bread.
And those are His Words, concerning the Eucharist.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 05/29/2012 14:47:10
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
So that is how you worship God in spirit and truth??
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
one love
You're not familiar with these paragraphs from Sacred Scripture?
Christ's Church worshipped through prayer and the breaking of the Bread.
And those are His Words, concerning the Eucharist.
What is the meaning of worship , is it just the Lord supper we do in rememberance of Jesus death and resurrection??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
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Originally posted by evangelist
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Acts 2:24
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts....
We gather as One Body, to present our hearts, minds and souls to the Lord, at His Wedding Supper.
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The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a sharing in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves.
So that is how you worship God in spirit and truth??
Joh:4:24: God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
one love
You're not familiar with these paragraphs from Sacred Scripture?
Christ's Church worshipped through prayer and the breaking of the Bread.
And those are His Words, concerning the Eucharist.
What is the meaning of worship , is it just the Lord supper we do in rememberance of Jesus death and resurrection??
one love
Eucharistic worship is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
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