The meaning of a christian been justified, holy !
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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1."Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."Justified. What a fascinating word. It is more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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And, I'll say again, it's against Church teaching to pit one Scripture against another, as though one part of Scripture is wrong and the other part of Scripture is correct.
The Old and New Testaments are to be read and understood as a whole.
Not as separate and conflicting parts.
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And, I'll say again, it's against Church teaching to pit one Scripture against another, as though one part of Scripture is wrong and the other part of Scripture is correct.
The Old and New Testaments are to be read and understood as a whole.
Not as separate and conflicting parts.
They should harmonize together according the biblical principles , times, people and according to what covenenant people is being spoken too!
One in many cases can bear witness of truth, like we can show Jesus as being the mighty God in the OT and Jesus as God in the NT in John 1 with Isa:9:6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Also with colosians 1.
I use trhe old and the new mostly when I am rebuking a religious spirit with JW or Mormonsd I use the whole bible in part with shows proof of truth, but not against itself as contradictions!
I win alot with the JW and mnormons because they are more bible led, and believe the bible authority more than Catholics and muslims!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I win alot...
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What you teach and preach is both relativism and irreletivism.
You preach that salvation is guaranteed irrelevant of the sin filled things that Christians do.
And thus, sin becomes relative. I'm O.K. and you're O.K.
I can see how your incorrect interpretation of Sacred Scripture and Tradition would be attractive in our sin filled society.
Yours is the wide way.
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I win alot...
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What you teach and preach is both relativism and irreletivism.
You preach that salvation is guaranteed irrelevant of the sin filled things that Christians do.
And thus, sin becomes relative. I'm O.K. and you're O.K.
I can see how your incorrect interpretation of Sacred Scripture and Tradition would be attractive in our sin filled society.
Yours is the wide way.
You are just using a wrong misunderstood terminology, but really what you can not accept is the too good new of the christian gospel which is to easy and too good to be true as to judge from a legalistc mind you have to a freedom and a yoke free salvation!
that is why you need to know what is meant by the gospel!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/21/2012 14:37:56
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It's very attractive to everyone this belief that we can "keep on doing what what we're doing" and be "saved" and that there is no consequence for sin.
Evangelist, when you divorce yourself from His Church, you have to preach this falsification of His Gospel.
We are held personally responsible for our free will. And, for choosing our will over God's will.
We enslave ourselves.
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It's very attractive to everyone this belief that we can "keep on doing what what we're doing" and be "saved" and that there is no consequence for sin.
Evangelist, when you divorce yourself from His Church, you have to preach this falsification of His Gospel.
We are held personally responsible for our free will. And, for choosing our will over God's will.
We enslave ourselves.
When you get born again and saved you don't have the desire to do your dead nature sins and will to be the best sinner!
That is all explained in Romans 6!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Ugh, right.
His Church has 2,000 years of experience counseling His faithful on the tricky nature of concupiscence.
If it were as easy as you say it is (one shot deal and you're healed) then why exactly do you need your indwelling Holy Spirit?
Your head is so far buried, you won't even discuss sin.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/21/2012 16:30:40
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Evangelist, if you don't desire to do sins, you won't commit them.
Simple as that.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Evangelist, if you don't desire to do sins, you won't commit them.
Simple as that.
Sorry but I am still a human being!
A lion is still a lion no matter how it might be train and can turn once and a while and might eat you to death!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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A human being is made in the image and likeness of God. A lion is not.
And before the Fall, Adam and Eve were in God's Grace and had no sin.
Being born again washed away that original sin and made you just like Adam before his fall.
Its up to you to make a different choice than the one Adam made. Jesus gave you all the grace necessary to take a different path. And He is willing to help you out every step of the way. But you have to follow Him, not just say "I believe" its impossible. With Jesus, all things are possible.
I know a woman who used to be a hard core, butch lesbian for a long time and Jesus brought her out of her sin. She is now completely straight. She didn't think this was possible either, but with Jesus she did it.
I know a man who was gay and had a live-in gay lover. He didn't think he could give that up either. He was addicted to sexual immorality and was in so deep he couldn't see daylight, but Jesus brought him out of that too. He is now straight and dating a woman. He still has some temptations, but he finds that with Christ he is able to overcome them. He has left his world of sin behind him. He has put on his New Man and allowed his Old Man to be nailed to the cross.
If you are still struggling, let go. Trust Jesus. By yourself you cannot hope to overcome a lifetime of sin. But no one here is even suggesting that you try to do this by yourself. Let Jesus transform you. He really can do this.
Jesus can make a gay man straight. He can cure porn addicts, and drug addicts and help all sorts of sinners get right with the Father. Jesus is that powerful.
He doesn't just declare us righteous, Jesus scrubs us clean and dresses us up in clean garments and guides us every step of the way. But we have to let Him.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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A human being is made in the image and likeness of God. A lion is not.
And before the Fall, Adam and Eve were in God's Grace and had no sin.
Being born again washed away that original sin and made you just like Adam before his fall.
Its up to you to make a different choice than the one Adam made. Jesus gave you all the grace necessary to take a different path. And He is willing to help you out every step of the way. But you have to follow Him, not just say "I believe" its impossible. With Jesus, all things are possible.
I know a woman who used to be a hard core, butch lesbian for a long time and Jesus brought her out of her sin. She is now completely straight. She didn't think this was possible either, but with Jesus she did it.
I know a man who was gay and had a live-in gay lover. He didn't think he could give that up either. He was addicted to sexual immorality and was in so deep he couldn't see daylight, but Jesus brought him out of that too. He is now straight and dating a woman. He still has some temptations, but he finds that with Christ he is able to overcome them. He has left his world of sin behind him. He has put on his New Man and allowed his Old Man to be nailed to the cross.
If you are still struggling, let go. Trust Jesus. By yourself you cannot hope to overcome a lifetime of sin. But no one here is even suggesting that you try to do this by yourself. Let Jesus transform you. He really can do this.
Jesus can make a gay man straight. He can cure porn addicts, and drug addicts and help all sorts of sinners get right with the Father. Jesus is that powerful.
He doesn't just declare us righteous, Jesus scrubs us clean and dresses us up in clean garments and guides us every step of the way. But we have to let Him.
Yes Grace is some of what you are try<ing to say , but it is much more, and that is why you have a half truth and get cinfused and , also why satan can decieve you easier on your lack of knowledge , because of your ignorance of not having the whole truth amd nothing but the truth!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Read it again. Grace is has everything to do with what I am saying.
How can you tell me that I am the one who is confused when I am the one seeing GRACE in action and you are saying that it cannot do this?
Who are you to dictate what God can or cannot do?
Gay Men and women have gone straight in a world that says that this is not possible and you think SATAN did that? They attribute this to GOD.
You like to twist things around. The Bible says that in the end they will say wrong is right and right is wrong and this sounds a lot like what you are saying.
How can obeying God for any reason be wrong?
Who can saying we trust in Jesus while in the full enslavement by sin, be considered right?
I also know some Transgendered persons who also came back around. One through therapy, another credits God entirely, both are believers. The second left a world of unimaginable sin, and now lives after the spirit instead of the flesh.
They are proof that that with God, ALL things are possible.
These people are often condemned by worldly folks, including those that are still gay. I have even seen them attacked by gay Christians who tell them that they are wrong to even seek change and that it is not possible to change and that God does not even consider homosexuality to be wrong.
The proof is in the pudding. A Christian is to be a beacon of light in the world. We should always be able to spot a Christian even if they don't wear a sign or opening their mouth.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Jesus all things are possible.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
Edited by Faith_at_Large on 06/23/2012 09:58:11
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Read it again. Grace is has everything to do with what I am saying.
How can you tell me that I am the one who is confused when I am the one seeing GRACE in action and you are saying that it cannot do this?
Who are you to dictate what God can or cannot do?
Gay Men and women have gone straight in a world that says that this is not possible and you think SATAN did that? They attribute this to GOD.
You like to twist things around. The Bible says that in the end they will say wrong is right and right is wrong and this sounds a lot like what you are saying.
How can obeying God for any reason be wrong?
Who can saying we trust in Jesus while in the full enslavement by sin, be considered right?
I also know some Transgendered persons who also came back around. One through therapy, another credits God entirely, both are believers. The second left a world of unimaginable sin, and now lives after the spirit instead of the flesh.
They are proof that that with God, ALL things are possible.
These people are often condemned by worldly folks, including those that are still gay. I have even seen them attacked by gay Christians who tell them that they are wrong to even seek change and that it is not possible to change and that God does not even consider homosexuality to be wrong.
The proof is in the pudding. A Christian is to be a beacon of light in the world. We should always be able to spot a Christian even if they don't wear a sign or opening their mouth.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Jesus all things are possible.
Grace is not only a helper or power zo deal with something , but much more than those things!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I agree. It is much more. And yet, you seem to be reluctant to tap into all that power. You often deny that Grace can transform even your flesh and blood body. Why?
A power that can cure you of AIDS can wipe all sin your heart. But you need to accept it, and let it.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I agree. It is much more. And yet, you seem to be reluctant to tap into all that power. You often deny that Grace can transform even your flesh and blood body. Why?
A power that can cure you of AIDS can wipe all sin your heart. But you need to accept it, and let it.
I teach grace , so why would I deny the power of it and how can give us power to win any battles?
Grace can also be seen on us and in our actions and performance, which is an activated anointed power towards us, but still mush , more and I can't see why so many churchy reject the fulness of it!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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