The meaning of a christian been justified, holy !
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Dear Loved Ones of the Lord,As we continue our journey through the Book of Romans Chapters 5-6, please notice the words found in Romans 5:1."Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ."Justified. What a fascinating word. It is more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/27/2011 08:08:48
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I don't listen to heretics. Why do you keep presenting them?
Because I have seen other people online listen to him when I post his link!
Just look at how many people look at my threads!
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There are people who will gladly follow Satan. That does not mean that you should seek to find sources inspired by him to present.
The Bible says that we should not follow those who preach a different gospel. Wommack definitely preaches another gospel and it is wrong for you to promote that.
Of course, I understand that he tickles your ears with his "too good to be true" gospel. The carnal mind will always seek the easy answer. Especially one that will let him do what God does not allow.
When something is too good to be true, it usually is. This means that it is not true.
The Good News is wonderful. Much better than what Wommack teaches.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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And the JWs have an altered version of the scriptures. Deliberately modified texts to make it fit their theology.
They do not have the Bible as their final authority because their leaders have modified the Bible, and enforce a strict policy of not allowing them to check other sources to see if what they know is true.
The very fact that they believe that Jesus is a separate god from the Father is evidence enough that they have a problem and this is what removes them from even being Christian.
They do not believe in the Jesus that you know. They are no better off than the Muslims. Muslims also believe that Jesus is separate from God the Father. The only difference is that instead of being another god, they believe Jesus was only a prophet.
JWs are nice people. I have never met one that I didn't think was a decent human being. They live their lives according to what they believe, but is that enough?
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I am born again. I was made justified, holy and perfect when I was born again, just like all Christians.
The Catholic Church recognizes your baptism because it is in keeping with what Christ taught. You are the one who rejects my baptism because of your man-made traditions.
How long do you remamin justified and holy in your CC doctrine and belief till the next time you sin a big sin?? (LOL).
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I don't listen to heretics. Why do you keep presenting them?
Because I have seen other people online listen to him when I post his link!
Just look at how many people look at my threads!
one love
There are people who will gladly follow Satan. That does not mean that you should seek to find sources inspired by him to present.
The Bible says that we should not follow those who preach a different gospel. Wommack definitely preaches another gospel and it is wrong for you to promote that.
Of course, I understand that he tickles your ears with his "too good to be true" gospel. The carnal mind will always seek the easy answer. Especially one that will let him do what God does not allow.
When something is too good to be true, it usually is. This means that it is not true.
The Good News is wonderful. Much better than what Wommack teaches.
Are you admitting that the good news is to good and to easy, and simple as we preach and how you see it??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I am born again. I was made justified, holy and perfect when I was born again, just like all Christians.
The Catholic Church recognizes your baptism because it is in keeping with what Christ taught. You are the one who rejects my baptism because of your man-made traditions.
How long do you remamin justified and holy in your CC doctrine and belief till the next time you sin a big sin??(LOL).
one love
Well, according to the Bible that is true, but we are not judged until the end. So long as we walk after the spirit, we are holy and justified. And we can return to being that as often as we repent.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I don't listen to heretics. Why do you keep presenting them?
Because I have seen other people online listen to him when I post his link!
Just look at how many people look at my threads!
one love
There are people who will gladly follow Satan. That does not mean that you should seek to find sources inspired by him to present.
The Bible says that we should not follow those who preach a different gospel. Wommack definitely preaches another gospel and it is wrong for you to promote that.
Of course, I understand that he tickles your ears with his "too good to be true" gospel. The carnal mind will always seek the easy answer. Especially one that will let him do what God does not allow.
When something is too good to be true, it usually is. This means that it is not true.
The Good News is wonderful. Much better than what Wommack teaches.
Are you admitting that the good news is to good and to easy, and simple as we preach and how you see it??
one love
Reading is not your strong suit? The Good News of Christ is wonderful, and it is easy and His Burden light - but not non-existant. And it is not "too easy" or as simple as you present.
It is a serious error to teach that sin is no longer an issue. That is simply not true according to the Bible.
The correct way of teaching the Christian Gospel is to say that we have been freed from the slavery of sin, but this does us no good if we return to it. Peter says that it will be worse for us than if we had never known Christ.
The Good News is amazing, but you have turned it into cheap grace.
Do you not understand what grace is? It is the means by which we are able to please God. It provides us with the strength and will to obey Him. When anyone choses to commit sin they are rejecting that grace.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
And the JWs have an altered version of the scriptures. Deliberately modified texts to make it fit their theology.
They do not have the Bible as their final authority because their leaders have modified the Bible, and enforce a strict policy of not allowing them to check other sources to see if what they know is true.
The very fact that they believe that Jesus is a separate god from the Father is evidence enough that they have a problem and this is what removes them from even being Christian.
They do not believe in the Jesus that you know. They are no better off than the Muslims. Muslims also believe that Jesus is separate from God the Father. The only difference is that instead of being another god, they believe Jesus was only a prophet.
JWs are nice people. I have never met one that I didn't think was a decent human being. They live their lives according to what they believe, but is that enough?
When you back them in a corner with truth , watch out demons will manifest from the JW and mormons!
You will know them by their fruits the bible says and has a true point!
they do have some better moral than alot of CC and christians at large!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNufEoTYEJY&feature=related
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have backed them into a corner with the Truth but no demons manifested. They are ignorant because they have been spoonfed their religion by leaders who have created their religion as a business. Their leaders will pay for what they have done.
I have faced the demonic more from so-called born again Christians who are rebellious against authority. These have caused greater problems and manifestations of evil. The devil has more fun with the rebellious than with the merely deceived. Although both are at risk.
God can call back the deceived, but the rebellious won't listen.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I am born again. I was made justified, holy and perfect when I was born again, just like all Christians.
The Catholic Church recognizes your baptism because it is in keeping with what Christ taught. You are the one who rejects my baptism because of your man-made traditions.
How long do you remamin justified and holy in your CC doctrine and belief till the next time you sin a big sin??(LOL).
one love
Well, according to the Bible that is true, but we are not judged until the end. So long as we walk after the spirit, we are holy and justified. And we can return to being that as often as we repent.
So let me get you clearly , are you saying the next time we do sins , we get unjustified, and unholy,so jesus eternal redemption is shut down until we repent and then get turn on again??
You are already judging your self when you say if we walk in the flesh as have sinned!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 09/05/2011 01:49:31
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I told you that we are not judged until we die. Nothing is truly lost until then. But if we die before repenting of serious sins, then yes we will be damned.
The Bible warns against walking in the flesh. This is a constant teaching. Why do you deny it?
Godly sorrow brings us to repentence so if we are walking with Christ and stumble, He will call us back and we will return to Him and be saved. BUT, if we are just paying lipservice and do not listen to Him, then we will be lost.
The Bible shows this very clearly. You would have to be blind to not see it. And if some "revelation knowledge" tells you something different, then run to a priest for an exorcism because a spirit of error is deceiving you.
Deeper knowledge does not mean different knowledge or worse, contradictory knowledge. When I go deeper, I get richer, fuller explanation, not an entirely different meaning.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I have backed them into a corner with the Truth but no demons manifested. They are ignorant because they have been spoonfed their religion by leaders who have created their religion as a business. Their leaders will pay for what they have done.
I have faced the demonic more from so-called born again Christians who are rebellious against authority. These have caused greater problems and manifestations of evil. The devil has more fun with the rebellious than with the merely deceived. Although both are at risk.
God can call back the deceived, but the rebellious won't listen.
That is why Islam don't accept Jesus and rebell against Him!
that a the best example!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
I told you that we are not judged until we die. Nothing is truly lost until then. But if we die before repenting of serious sins, then yes we will be damned.
The Bible warns against walking in the flesh. This is a constant teaching. Why do you deny it?
Godly sorrow brings us to repentence so if we are walking with Christ and stumble, He will call us back and we will return to Him and be saved. BUT, if we are just paying lipservice and do not listen to Him, then we will be lost.
The Bible shows this very clearly. You would have to be blind to not see it. And if some "revelation knowledge" tells you something different, then run to a priest for an exorcism because a spirit of error is deceiving you.
Deeper knowledge does not mean different knowledge or worse, contradictory knowledge. When I go deeper, I get richer, fuller explanation, not an entirely different meaning.
So afain let me get this right God now judge according to the human level of grades of sins??
I know in man eyes there is levels of bog and small sin But I am talking about all Holy and all pure God judgement on sins or any evil or any wrong doings!
remember as you answe no unclean things enezer heaven not even the tiny sins!
Is all sins sin to God yes or no??
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist, if you are going to deny what John wrote under inspiration then what makes you think that you have a shot at Heaven?
Nothing impure enters Heaven. NO chance and no slipping in under the hem of Christ's garments.
Only mortal sins send us to Hell. Non-Mortal sins WOULD send us to Hell except for one thing - we can pray for one another and John wrote that this would be acceptible to God and thus these could be saved.
This is all possible because of what Christ did for us, but what Jesus did not do was give us a get out of Hell free card. He paid our debt to sin, and gave us all that we need to be saved. But if you are going to split the Bible into little pieces in order to get out of following Jesus, then it won't do you any good.
God does not judge by human standard. He also does not divide His Word into optional and irrelevant. The Word of God stands in full.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Evangelist, if you are going to deny what John wrote under inspiration then what makes you think that you have a shot at Heaven?
Nothing impure enters Heaven. NO chance and no slipping in under the hem of Christ's garments.
Only mortal sins send us to Hell. Non-Mortal sins WOULD send us to Hell except for one thing - we can pray for one another and John wrote that this would be acceptible to God and thus these could be saved.
This is all possible because of what Christ did for us, but what Jesus did not do was give us a get out of Hell free card. He paid our debt to sin, and gave us all that we need to be saved. But if you are going to split the Bible into little pieces in order to get out of following Jesus, then it won't do you any good.
God does not judge by human standard. He also does not divide His Word into optional and irrelevant. The Word of God stands in full.
what is left after nothing ?
I hope you don't say only little things or big things!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Nothing.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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