Who born again christians are in Christ!

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Originally posted by jdubya

By requesting his inheritance, the prodigal son was in effect proclaiming that His father was dead. He clearly walked away from the father and the father respected his free will to do so.

These aren't just nice moral stories, these parables are teachings about the kingdom of God. There are several points to the parable, but the main one being that the father will take you back.

I can't be absolutely sure of this, but I have read somewhere (not youtube) that the Jews also used this parable, but in the end, the father would not take the son back.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

The lost son would not have entered his Father's estate. He had to return first.

If one of us is lost, Jesus will try to find us, but if we do not return to Him through repentance, we will be lost too.

No Heaven for those who remain lost.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

If a son or daughter disavows the family and goes away. They are the ones who have separated themselves from their family. Not the other way around.

God will always welcome back the sinner. But only if the sinner comes back. If the sinner stays away, then he or she is lost of their own free will.

God does not abandon us, we abandon Him.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I always knew that God would not forsake me.

When we sin, we leave God. If you finally accept that, then we are indeed making progress.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Man-made scales do not matter to God. It all depends on our culpability.

Quote evangelist:
That reminded me of Jas:2:9: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


If we know something is serious, and we know that God said NO, and we do it anyways, without being forced, then we have truly chosen sin over God and thus denied Christ.

Quote evaNGELIST: so you denied Christ until the next time you sin in denial?


There are many who commit what would be mortal sins, but because they do not know it, or in some way do not have a choice or free will for some reason, it is mitigated and not mortal to them.

God sees what is in the heart, not just the external deed that man sees. God is the only judge that counts.

Quote evangelist:
that is why all sins are the worst sins before God!


We have our whole lives to repent and come back to God. The trouble is that we don't know how long our lives will be. For this reason, when God calls, it is best to listen right away.

Quote Evangelist:
So we have our whole lives to get born again over and over again so we don't keep making God a hotel motel holiday inn God??

When any born again Christian stumbles, he or she will feel God's call to repentance. We have to deliberately ignore it in order to be lost. And even so, we have to ignore it all the way to our death. So long as we live, there is always hope.

God never abandons us. Never. God cannot abandon us because He loves us. No one goes to Hell because God gave up on them. They only go to Hell because they left God and refused to come home.

quote evangelist:
So when do you get disowned by God or become a reprobate when you passed the sin limits or when you renounce or rejected Jesus as your Father and freely wanted to be a stranger???

The problem is that there are people out there who think that saying "Lord, Lord" gets them saved. It doesn't. The Bible says that Jesus will reject those who said "Lord, Lord" and walked in power, but did not do the Will of the Father. We have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

Quote evangelist:
I we have to do all those things what is left up to Jesus to do for us or has done for us in His walk for us in our atonement??

Noun 1. atonement - compensation for a wrong; "we were unable to get satisfaction from the local store"
expiation, satisfaction
amends, damages, indemnification, redress, restitution, indemnity - a sum of money paid in compensation for loss or injury
2. atonement - the act of atoning for sin or wrongdoing (especially appeasing a deity)
expiation, propitiation
redemption, salvation - (theology) the act of delivering from sin or saving from evil
amends, reparation - something done or paid in expiation of a wrong; "how can I make amends"

Noun 1. reconciliation - the reestablishing of cordial relations
rapprochement
cooperation - joint operation or action; "their cooperation with us was essential for the success of our mission"
2. reconciliation - getting two things to correspond; "the reconciliation of his checkbook and the bank statement"
balancing
equalisation, equalization, leveling - the act of making equal or uniform



What is on our lips does not matter; but what is in our hearts, that matters.

Those with hearts full of adultery and greed and other sins, do not love God. If our hearts are full of love for Jesus, then there is no room for lust, greed, envy, etc. That does not mean that little temptations won't creep in, but if we are walking with Christ, even these can be shooed away.

Even little sins can become big sins if we are not careful. That is why Christians, from the beginning and even today in the Catholic Church, are told to avoid all sin, not just mortal sin. Even little sins add up and dull our sin sense.

Many today accept sin far too readily. That is very wrong and dangerous.

That is why some of the worst sinners I have ever seen were born again Christians. This should not be. We are supposed to be the examples for the rest. The beacons of light in a dark world. The proof that we can overcome.

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Man-made scales do not matter to God. It all depends on our culpability.

Quote evangelist:
That reminded me of Jas:2:9: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Irrelevant to the point. This passage was aimed at those who thought that just keeping the bare minimum of the Mosaic Law was enough to save them. WRONG. We are not saved by our works alone any more than we are saved by faith alone.

Further, we are not under the Mosaic Law. And while there is no such thing as a good sin, John makes it absolutely clear that some sins are more serious than others in terms of our salvation.

If we know something is serious, and we know that God said NO, and we do it anyways, without being forced, then we have truly chosen sin over God and thus denied Christ.

Quote evaNGELIST: so you denied Christ until the next time you sin in denial?

Nope. We deny Christ until we repent and come back to Christ.


There are many who commit what would be mortal sins, but because they do not know it, or in some way do not have a choice or free will for some reason, it is mitigated and not mortal to them.

God sees what is in the heart, not just the external deed that man sees. God is the only judge that counts.

Quote evangelist:
that is why all sins are the worst sins before God!

So you think that John was not inspired and should be removed from the Bible?

All sin is sin, but not all sin is mortal.

We have our whole lives to repent and come back to God. The trouble is that we don't know how long our lives will be. For this reason, when God calls, it is best to listen right away.

Quote Evangelist:
So we have our whole lives to get born again over and over again so we don't keep making God a hotel motel holiday inn God??

We can only be born again ONCE. No more. But repentance is alway open to us. And that is a good thing too, or else we would all be lost.

When any born again Christian stumbles, he or she will feel God's call to repentance. We have to deliberately ignore it in order to be lost. And even so, we have to ignore it all the way to our death. So long as we live, there is always hope.

God never abandons us. Never. God cannot abandon us because He loves us. No one goes to Hell because God gave up on them. They only go to Hell because they left God and refused to come home.

quote evangelist:
So when do you get disowned by God or become a reprobate when you passed the sin limits or when you renounce or rejected Jesus as your Father and freely wanted to be a stranger???

Sort of. God does not disown us, we disown Him when we say that we don't have to obey our Father and chose to do things that we know He has said no to. But in the end, if we have done this, then on Judgment Day we will be cast into the darkness. A reprobate cannot withstand the purity of Heaven.

Paul speaks of being castaway - reprobate in his epistle (1 Corinthians 9:27).

The problem is that there are people out there who think that saying "Lord, Lord" gets them saved. It doesn't. The Bible says that Jesus will reject those who said "Lord, Lord" and walked in power, but did not do the Will of the Father. We have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

Quote evangelist:
I we have to do all those things what is left up to Jesus to do for us or has done for us in His walk for us in our atonement??

You still don't get it. WE CAN'T do any of those things without Jesus. It is BECAUSE of Jesus that any of this is possible.

Noun 1. atonement - compensation for a wrong; "we were unable to get satisfaction from the local store"
expiation, satisfaction
amends, damages, indemnification, redress, restitution, indemnity - a sum of money paid in compensation for loss or injury

Right. Jesus paid the debt to sin. That is why under the OT, people had to be executed for serious sins while today we only have to repent of them. Wow, so much better. Or would you prefer it if we still had to be stoned for adultery, etc.?

2. atonement - the act of atoning for sin or wrongdoing (especially appeasing a deity)
expiation, propitiation
redemption, salvation - (theology) the act of delivering from sin or saving from evil
amends, reparation - something done or paid in expiation of a wrong; "how can I make amends"

We have been freed from the slavery of sin. We no longer belong to sin. Jesus paid our debt so that we are not longer bound to sin. So why live as if your debt has not been paid?

Noun 1. reconciliation - the reestablishing of cordial relations
rapprochement
cooperation - joint operation or action; "their cooperation with us was essential for the success of our mission"
2. reconciliation - getting two things to correspond; "the reconciliation of his checkbook and the bank statement"
balancing
equalisation, equalization, leveling - the act of making equal or uniform

Through Christ, the WORLD/all things have been been reconciled to God.

What is on our lips does not matter; but what is in our hearts, that matters.

Those with hearts full of adultery and greed and other sins, do not love God. If our hearts are full of love for Jesus, then there is no room for lust, greed, envy, etc. That does not mean that little temptations won't creep in, but if we are walking with Christ, even these can be shooed away.

Even little sins can become big sins if we are not careful. That is why Christians, from the beginning and even today in the Catholic Church, are told to avoid all sin, not just mortal sin. Even little sins add up and dull our sin sense.

Many today accept sin far too readily. That is very wrong and dangerous.

That is why some of the worst sinners I have ever seen were born again Christians. This should not be. We are supposed to be the examples for the rest. The beacons of light in a dark world. The proof that we can overcome.

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Yes , for me a person who is full of sins and hate , has no room or gives no room left for Jesus or their born again spirit so I would question if they were born again in the first place and where is Jesus in them when every mega cell or spirit of eveil took all the room for nothing else!
That would be 100% of evil and no room for
any good or Christ!
If 90 0r even 95% was evil the other 5% could be a weak mind to the born again 5% spirit of God in them which is enought to raise the dead, because even one drop of Jesus blood has saved this world of all sins!

one love

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Man-made scales do not matter to God. It all depends on our culpability.

Quote evangelist:
That reminded me of Jas:2:9: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Irrelevant to the point. This passage was aimed at those who thought that just keeping the bare minimum of the Mosaic Law was enough to save them. WRONG. We are not saved by our works alone any more than we are saved by faith alone.

Further, we are not under the Mosaic Law. And while there is no such thing as a good sin, John makes it absolutely clear that some sins are more serious than others in terms of our salvation.

If we know something is serious, and we know that God said NO, and we do it anyways, without being forced, then we have truly chosen sin over God and thus denied Christ.

Quote evaNGELIST: so you denied Christ until the next time you sin in denial?

Nope. We deny Christ until we repent and come back to Christ.


There are many who commit what would be mortal sins, but because they do not know it, or in some way do not have a choice or free will for some reason, it is mitigated and not mortal to them.

God sees what is in the heart, not just the external deed that man sees. God is the only judge that counts.

Quote evangelist:
that is why all sins are the worst sins before God!

So you think that John was not inspired and should be removed from the Bible?

All sin is sin, but not all sin is mortal.

We have our whole lives to repent and come back to God. The trouble is that we don't know how long our lives will be. For this reason, when God calls, it is best to listen right away.

Quote Evangelist:
So we have our whole lives to get born again over and over again so we don't keep making God a hotel motel holiday inn God??

We can only be born again ONCE. No more. But repentance is alway open to us. And that is a good thing too, or else we would all be lost.

When any born again Christian stumbles, he or she will feel God's call to repentance. We have to deliberately ignore it in order to be lost. And even so, we have to ignore it all the way to our death. So long as we live, there is always hope.

God never abandons us. Never. God cannot abandon us because He loves us. No one goes to Hell because God gave up on them. They only go to Hell because they left God and refused to come home.

quote evangelist:
So when do you get disowned by God or become a reprobate when you passed the sin limits or when you renounce or rejected Jesus as your Father and freely wanted to be a stranger???

Sort of. God does not disown us, we disown Him when we say that we don't have to obey our Father and chose to do things that we know He has said no to. But in the end, if we have done this, then on Judgment Day we will be cast into the darkness. A reprobate cannot withstand the purity of Heaven.

Paul speaks of being castaway - reprobate in his epistle (1 Corinthians 9:27).

The problem is that there are people out there who think that saying "Lord, Lord" gets them saved. It doesn't. The Bible says that Jesus will reject those who said "Lord, Lord" and walked in power, but did not do the Will of the Father. We have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

Quote evangelist:
I we have to do all those things what is left up to Jesus to do for us or has done for us in His walk for us in our atonement??

You still don't get it. WE CAN'T do any of those things without Jesus. It is BECAUSE of Jesus that any of this is possible.

Noun 1. atonement - compensation for a wrong; "we were unable to get satisfaction from the local store"
expiation, satisfaction
amends, damages, indemnification, redress, restitution, indemnity - a sum of money paid in compensation for loss or injury

Right. Jesus paid the debt to sin. That is why under the OT, people had to be executed for serious sins while today we only have to repent of them. Wow, so much better. Or would you prefer it if we still had to be stoned for adultery, etc.?

2. atonement - the act of atoning for sin or wrongdoing (especially appeasing a deity)
expiation, propitiation
redemption, salvation - (theology) the act of delivering from sin or saving from evil
amends, reparation - something done or paid in expiation of a wrong; "how can I make amends"

We have been freed from the slavery of sin. We no longer belong to sin. Jesus paid our debt so that we are not longer bound to sin. So why live as if your debt has not been paid?

Noun 1. reconciliation - the reestablishing of cordial relations
rapprochement
cooperation - joint operation or action; "their cooperation with us was essential for the success of our mission"
2. reconciliation - getting two things to correspond; "the reconciliation of his checkbook and the bank statement"
balancing
equalisation, equalization, leveling - the act of making equal or uniform

Through Christ, the WORLD/all things have been been reconciled to God.

What is on our lips does not matter; but what is in our hearts, that matters.

Those with hearts full of adultery and greed and other sins, do not love God. If our hearts are full of love for Jesus, then there is no room for lust, greed, envy, etc. That does not mean that little temptations won't creep in, but if we are walking with Christ, even these can be shooed away.

Even little sins can become big sins if we are not careful. That is why Christians, from the beginning and even today in the Catholic Church, are told to avoid all sin, not just mortal sin. Even little sins add up and dull our sin sense.

Many today accept sin far too readily. That is very wrong and dangerous.

That is why some of the worst sinners I have ever seen were born again Christians. This should not be. We are supposed to be the examples for the rest. The beacons of light in a dark world. The proof that we can overcome.

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Yes , for me a person who is full of sins and hate , has no room or gives no room left for Jesus or their born again spirit so I would question if they were born again in the first place and where is Jesus in them when every mega cell or spirit of eveil took all the room for nothing else!
That would be 100% of evil and no room for
any good or Christ!
If 90 0r even 95% was evil the other 5% could be a weak mind to the born again 5% spirit of God in them which is enought to raise the dead, because even one drop of Jesus blood has saved this world of all sins!

one love

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Nope. Jesus said that a born again believer who walks in all the power of God, raising the dead and casting out demons and speaking in tongues but does not do the Will of the Father, is reprobate and not welcome in Heaven.

If we are walking after the Spirit, we have all we need to have Zero sin in our hearts. And to be perfected, there must be 0% sin in our hearts - this may take our whole life, or perhaps sooner for those who would be saints.

There is no room for sin in any heart that wants to go to Heaven. Fortunately, Jesus gave us His Holy Spirit to help with this.

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