What is meant by saying we are made righteous?

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

The Bible says past sins are forgiven when we are born again. Very explicitly.

And the Bible says that future sins may be forgiven as often as we truly repent of them. Also very explicitly.

Please keep to the actual Gospel and not your new fangled version.

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Sorry , I am just a son of gOD AND A SAINT not a catholic who must repent yearly or dairly, or day after day to be forgiven over and over again my Jesus blood!

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Do you not realize that every sin that is repented of, no matter when, is covered by Christ's once for all sacrifice?

Quote Evangelist;
But you just stop there , that is not the complete gospel of Christ , because it is also for all people that sacrafice and the good news and the ice on the frosted cake is the one time is for ALL TIMES! wwwooowwww!
That is why all our future is repented and sacraficed by Jesus to forgiveness and redeemed aand never remembered as born again Christians, which is also why that make us Justified and righteous to the core for all TIMES!

I am a child of God and I am called to be a saint, not only in spirit, but also in Truth.

And the Bible says that past sins are forgiven, and that future sins can be forgiven as provided for in the scriptures.

This is true whether you are Catholic or not. The Bible says what it does no matter what spirit tells you otherwise.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

The problem is that you stop at one point and ignore whatever is in the Bible that you don't like.

You can't do that. The Bible IS the Inspired Word of God, it is foolish to edit out what you don't like.

We do have to repent of every serious sin. The Bible says so. Jesus even made provision for this. Just because it does not fit with your religious philosophy does not change it.

I am a child of God and I am IN Jesus Christ. And I am a sinner, anyone who says they are not is a liar and has no part in Christ. But unlike many out there, I do repent of my sins and know that I remain in Christ because of His Grace.

I am a daughter not a servant. Servants don't need to repent because they don't care about what their masters feel or if they have done any wrong. Daughters and sons do care. That is why we repent.

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If you say only after you have repented everytime you sinned , then you are going by a momentary redemption until the next time you sin and that is the exact same doctrine and belief system the Old covenant people had to live by , but not us NT covenant christion who have grace with faith knowing they who they are as eternal redeemed believers just because of thier born again spirit, and uncondition love toward them as sons and daughter by Christ perfection and Christ sinless spirit given to us as our Christ like born again new natute imputted to us when we recieved Christ by our confession of faith!

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Originally posted by evangelist

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

The problem is that you stop at one point and ignore whatever is in the Bible that you don't like.

You can't do that. The Bible IS the Inspired Word of God, it is foolish to edit out what you don't like.

We do have to repent of every serious sin. The Bible says so. Jesus even made provision for this. Just because it does not fit with your religious philosophy does not change it.

I am a child of God and I am IN Jesus Christ. And I am a sinner, anyone who says they are not is a liar and has no part in Christ. But unlike many out there, I do repent of my sins and know that I remain in Christ because of His Grace.

I am a daughter not a servant. Servants don't need to repent because they don't care about what their masters feel or if they have done any wrong. Daughters and sons do care. That is why we repent.

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First of all if you are still a sinner or see yourself as a sinner then you sinner can't be a servant or a daughter of the Lord!

We are what we do. If we sin at all, then we are sinners. Anyone who says that he isn't is a liar and therefore cannot be a child of God. The Bible says that so why do you say otherwise?

Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. The perfect and righteous do not need a saviour.

There is no luke warm believers in Christ Jesus, either you are what Christ died for you to be or you are not one of His and not in Christ Jesus, but might be in just religion like al muslims and JW are!

I agree. God spits out the Lukewarm. Hot or cold He will work with, but the lukewarm that don't LIVE the faith as if it were their own, are cast out.

I LIVE my Faith every day.

Also do you see yourself as a righteous , pure , holy redeemed , and have eternal redemption now in your spirit?

At this moment, pretty much. But none of us can see the future. And why speak of spirit as if that was all that mattered? If I walk after the flesh, my spirit goes with me after the flesh. And you know what that means - the Bible speaks to this.

If you say only after you have repented everytime you sinned , then you are going by a momentary redemption until the next time you sin

There is no such thing as momentary redemption. We have our whole lives to decide for Christ and we do this with every action we take. But we are not judged until after we die. I have been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, but my ticket is not cleared until after I die. I get to choose sin or Jesus with every breath I take, but after the last breath, my fate is sealed and there is no more choice.

... and that is the exact same doctrine and belief system the Old covenant people had to live by

No. Repentance under the New Covenant is NOTHING like the OT. Not even the sacrifices of bulls and goats could cleanse them of their sins. But for us, the blood of the Lamb is always there us and all we need to do is confess our sins and we are washed clean again.

, but not us NT covenant christion who have grace with faith knowing they who they are as eternal redeemed believers just because of thier born again spirit, and uncondition love toward them as sons and daughter by Christ perfection and Christ sinless spirit given to us as our Christ like born again new natute imputted to us when we recieved Christ by our confession of faith!

Nice thought, but the only "sinless" spirit we get from Christ is HIS Holy Spirit. But if we defile His Temple that is our flesh and blood body, then He may depart. According to the Bible, anyone who defiles this NEW Temple that is our flesh and blood body, God will destroy.

Also our action do play a vital part in our walk in Christ before people, because it can show from the external performnace that we are getting like our born again spirit everyday as we go futher into the Golry of God everyday but never arrive to redemption in our body and soul but we do get better trying to be straight and perfect like our born again spirit is now and for eternalty!

Up to a point, I agree. No one can save themselves by trying to keep all the commandments perfectly at every moment. James pointed out that this is impossible. But, we are redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb and by the Grace of Jesus Christ, we can keep all the Commandments, and if we stumble, He has made provision for that.

We don't keep the commandments to get saved, but the Father gave us commandments to keep us safe for our own benefit and the benefit of the world around us.

And, yes, we should set a good example for others. I heard at Mass the other day a question - if we were to be accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict us? There is no point for being a Christian at our baptism if this does not carry through the rest of our lives.

The only time our body and soul will be perfect like our born again spirit is after death or when the rapture has come and all those part will be transformed in a twickle of an eye!

No. It is possible to be perfect right now. And, our born again spirit is no better or worse than our born again body. We are renewed as a whole person, not in peices.

There are saints who were so holy in life that even after death, their bodies remain perfect and incorrupt. They are waiting for the resurrection but they were perfected in life.

By ourselves this is impossible, but with Christ all things are possible.

1Co:15:51: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co:15:52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co:15:53: For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co:15:54: So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Like I said, some Catholic saints have already put on incorruption.

And that passage refers to the end of time. The dead shall rise first, and we shall be caught up after to meet the Lord in the air.

This is the Second Coming. There will be no more after that. After this event comes Judgment Day.

So the bible is saying the truth that thi transformation will only take place when Jesus comes back to take care of our corrutible mind and bodies and not before then now while we are living on earth now!

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Originally posted by evangelist

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What is about being sacred??

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

I think that part of the problem is simply a misunderstanding.

Evangelist, this may come as a shock to you, but you are far more sin conscious than any Catholic. I say this because of the extraordinary lengths you have gone to create loopholes for yourself to avoid any connection to sin, even thought the Bible says that we will sin even though we shouldn't.

When I was born again, an indelible mark was put upon my soul that can never be removed. This mark means that I belong to God now. It also means that I am a Temple of the Lord, where the Holy Spirit dwells in me.

When I was born again, all my past sins were washed away, including the stain of Original Sin (which is not the only sin that affects us btw).

As a result of being in the New Covenant, I have all the grace and faith I need to endure to the end. Those who are not in the New Covenant do not have these advantages, but I do and so do you.

Anyone who commits a sin, is by definition a sinner. This is not a dirty word. Jesus did not come to save the righteous, but to redeem the sinners. He shed His own Blood so that we could all be redeemed.

I don't generally go around calling myself a sinner, I am a Christian first and foremost. I only raise it as an admission of what Jesus came to save, and that while He is at work in me, HE is not finished yet. You have acknowledged yourself, that while you think that your spirit is perfect, you admit that your flesh is not perfected yet. Until your flesh is perfect, Jesus is not finished with you either.

Because I am in the New Covenant, I don't have to go around worrying about sin. It isn't because sin is not an issue, but because Jesus gave me the means to overcome sin.

I don't fall out of the New Covenant every time I stumble. You get hung up on the fact that I say that Mortal Sin kills even the Born Again Christian. I am no the one who said it. Even the Catholic Church did not come up with this. They merely affirm what is taught clearly in the Bible.

Not all sin kills. Lesser sins are covered off just by our praying for one another. John said this. You may not like it, but that doesn't matter. It is true. John said it, I believe it. Not only that, I thank God that I don't have to go around remembering every single sin I may have committed, or paying close attention to what I do to see IF I committed a minor infraction.

Even the smallest sin could send someone to Hell, but Jesus made provision for that.

And what about the sins that kill? Even those can still be forgiven. John says that we cannot pray for others to be forgiven in this case. The individual who committed the sin needs to repent - Paul affirmed this in his writings too. Paul was not speaking about stealing a fig from the market, but spoke of serious sins such as fornication.

But even these are easy to take care of. Jesus made provision for us.

In the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which Jesus Christ personally instituted, we are washed clean again, as often as we need to. ANd while I have said many times that we must repent of every serious sin, in this sacrament if someone were to forget a sin, it is still forgiven - although mortal sins should still be confessed because it is good for the soul, even though they would still be forgiven. What we may not do is deliberately withold a sin.

The problem lies not with the sinning - we all sin in one way or another, except perhaps for the saints who have been perfected while still alive (they exist), but the refusal to repent of a sin.

When we sin, God calls us to repentance. This is the fear and trembling that Paul speaks of when we work out our salvation. It is not a problem. We sin, God calls us back, we repent and it is like it never happend. But when someone refuses to repent, they have held onto a sin and made it their master. We can only have one master.

Repentance is not just confessing your sin, but truly regretting it and amending one's ways - to avoid that sin in the future. This is walking after the Spirit. Ideally, it is best to avoid the sin in the first place and seek after God instead, but repenting of our failures is also a good start.

You keep trying to make sin not an issue and thus avoiding the need to repent. That is not Biblical. It is a deception.

Satan cannot snatch anyone from Christ's own Hand. Jesus is far too strong for that. But Satan does deceive. That is how he got Adam and Eve kicked out of Eden. There was no other way to accomplish that.

God wants everyone to go to Heaven. That is why He made it so easy for us. And it is very easy so long as we listen to what He told us.

We are to be doers of the Word, not just hearers only. This does not mean our spirit only. Jesus did not give instructions for our spirit. He gave instruction for each and every one of us as whole persons. Jesus did not say anything that was not to our benefit. Only a fool would ignore Him.

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Originally posted by bwellmysoul


Catholics don't renounce the work of the Holy Spirit in us, because of our failures.

We don't say, "well...he must never have been born again."

The Holy Spirit began a good work in us and when we repent of our sins, we move on toward greater increase and conversion.

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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large

Evangelist, I don't think you understand what "lukewarm" means.

Lukewarm does not mean someone who admits they are still a sinner when they sin. Lukewarm is a sinner who doesn't care even after having been born again.

Lukewarm is a person who despite all the graces given to them, continues to live his or her life as if nothing had changed.

This is who God spits out.

Those who love God and obey Him out of Love and repent when they stumble - that is the sign of a fervant faith.

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