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What does the Bible say about Purgatory?"Answer: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Purgatory is “a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Bottom line, if sin is not in your heart, you can't sin. It is impossible to sin unless sin first takes root in your heart.
As you said, no one sins by accident. You have to want to do it, and this desire comes from your heart.
The heart is the source. One's mind may come up with reasons why not, or try to rationalize a way to give in to what the heart wants. But it is the heart that sins even before the flesh responds.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
wouldn't it be easy by the heart seeing things done than by the external physical trying to make something possible??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 01/14/2012 08:57:26
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Bottom line, if sin is not in your heart, you can't sin. It is impossible to sin unless sin first takes root in your heart.
As you said, no one sins by accident. You have to want to do it, and this desire comes from your heart.
The heart is the source. One's mind may come up with reasons why not, or try to rationalize a way to give in to what the heart wants. But it is the heart that sins even before the flesh responds.
We still are not perfect and we still have a fallen nature and our minds and bodies are not redeemed yet like our born again spirits , but you are right about our mind and body sins!
But I never got a straight answer from how does a born again spirit sin when it is spiritual and has nothing to do with our five sinses and our realm of the carnal world we are walking in the flesh and mind in so what up with that??
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
wouldn't it be easy by the heart seeing things done than by the external physical trying to make something possible??
one love
I am not sure what you mean by that.
But, what you do with your mouth and body is a natural extension of what is in your heart.
If your heart is full of the Love of Christ, then good things flow forth = these are the fruits.
Fruit can be good or bad, depending upon what is in your heart.
A Christian who has embraced Jesus fully will show good fruit, even when God is the only one who sees it.
Someone who has not put on their New Man, but still clings to their Old Man, will show poor fruit.
But whether or not men can see the fruit, God goes by what is in our heart. The fruit is not possible without first originating from within.
And, those that do not produce good fruit, whether or not others can see it, will be cut down and cast into the fire. The Bible says this too.
You cannot separate your fruit from what is in your heart.
If Christ's seed is in any born again Christian, and that Christian has the fertile soil necessary for that seed to grow, then good fruit will come forth.
Read the Parable of the Sower again (Matthew 13). Not all who accept Christ will be saved. The seed must be nurtured and tended to, otherwise it whithers and dies.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
wouldn't it be easy by the heart seeing things done than by the external physical trying to make something possible??
one love
I am not sure what you mean by that.
But, what you do with your mouth and body is a natural extension of what is in your heart.
If your heart is full of the Love of Christ, then good things flow forth = these are the fruits.
Fruit can be good or bad, depending upon what is in your heart.
A Christian who has embraced Jesus fully will show good fruit, even when God is the only one who sees it.
Someone who has not put on their New Man, but still clings to their Old Man, will show poor fruit.
But whether or not men can see the fruit, God goes by what is in our heart. The fruit is not possible without first originating from within.
And, those that do not produce good fruit, whether or not others can see it, will be cut down and cast into the fire. The Bible says this too.
You cannot separate your fruit from what is in your heart.
If Christ's seed is in any born again Christian, and that Christian has the fertile soil necessary for that seed to grow, then good fruit will come forth.
Read the Parable of the Sower again (Matthew 13). Not all who accept Christ will be saved. The seed must be nurtured and tended to, otherwise it whithers and dies.
So when a tree is cut off what happen to the seed or the roots??
You said and agree with me that God see the heart and that ius enough for God, so God also seen our seeds before the earth was created, and that is why He knows already who is in the book of life and who was not written in that book!
So when we still have that seed of Christ in us , for God that is what saved us, and redeemed us not the fruit or the tree itself but the ground which is alone on Jesus and the roots planted on the truth gospel of Christ alone!
That is why I ask you how can your seed or born again spirit sin???
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Bottom line, if sin is not in your heart, you can't sin. It is impossible to sin unless sin first takes root in your heart.
As you said, no one sins by accident. You have to want to do it, and this desire comes from your heart.
The heart is the source. One's mind may come up with reasons why not, or try to rationalize a way to give in to what the heart wants. But it is the heart that sins even before the flesh responds.
We still are not perfect and we still have a fallen nature and our minds and bodies are not redeemed yet like our born again spirits , but you are right about our mind and body sins!
But I never got a straight answer from how does a born again spirit sin when it is spiritual and has nothing to do with our five sinses and our realm of the carnal world we are walking in the flesh and mind in so what up with that??
one love
I gave you a straight answer. Your body, including its five senses, is just a shell that is incapable of anything good or bad without your spirit.
Your spirit is the only thing that can sin. It sins using your body to commit sin, but your body cannot sin without your spirit animating it to sin.
Remember, the Angels which are PURE SPIRIT and completely without flesh were able to sin, so how is it that you are confused about this?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
wouldn't it be easy by the heart seeing things done than by the external physical trying to make something possible??
one love
I am not sure what you mean by that.
But, what you do with your mouth and body is a natural extension of what is in your heart.
If your heart is full of the Love of Christ, then good things flow forth = these are the fruits.
Fruit can be good or bad, depending upon what is in your heart.
A Christian who has embraced Jesus fully will show good fruit, even when God is the only one who sees it.
Someone who has not put on their New Man, but still clings to their Old Man, will show poor fruit.
But whether or not men can see the fruit, God goes by what is in our heart. The fruit is not possible without first originating from within.
And, those that do not produce good fruit, whether or not others can see it, will be cut down and cast into the fire. The Bible says this too.
You cannot separate your fruit from what is in your heart.
If Christ's seed is in any born again Christian, and that Christian has the fertile soil necessary for that seed to grow, then good fruit will come forth.
Read the Parable of the Sower again (Matthew 13). Not all who accept Christ will be saved. The seed must be nurtured and tended to, otherwise it whithers and dies.
So when a tree is cut off what happen to the seed or the roots??
What does that have to do with anything?
We are branches that are grafted in, and we can be cut off and tossed into the fire. If our fruit is not good, that will be burned too. Forget about talk of seeds - you are mixing your analogies - Christ seed would have departed from us before we were cut off.
Since we are not from the original root, but merely grafted in, the root remains and those that remain true to God remain grafted in.
You said and agree with me that God see the heart and that ius enough for God, so God also seen our seeds before the earth was created, and that is why He knows already who is in the book of life and who was not written in that book!
He also knows whose names will be blotted out. He knows our final destination because He is outside of time. So from His perspective, we are already damned or saved. But we still have to live out our lives. He knows whether we will endure to the end, or choose sin instead. We don't know this anymore than we know that we will continue to believe in Him. The Parable of the Sower shows this.
So when we still have that seed of Christ in us , for God that is what saved us, and redeemed us not the fruit or the tree itself but the ground which is alone on Jesus and the roots planted on the truth gospel of Christ alone!
Those other things are analogies. But yes, even what they represent is not what is saved. God saves individuals. So it matters for each individual if we remain grafted in or cut off.
It is the individual who is saved, not his works - not even his good works. Works are neither saved nor damned, they are just part of what makes us who we are.
The Gospel provides the knowledge of what we need to be saved. But it is not a magic spell, we have to actually participate or we are no better than those who say they do not believe.
That is why I ask you how can your seed or born again spirit sin???
one love
You are mixing your analogies. The seed of Christ cannot sin, but we can. And our born again spirit is the only part of us that can sin. Just as it is only the not born again spirits of others that sin.
Without your spirit, your body is just a shell.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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The second reading today at Mass had perfect timing for this discussion:
1 Corinthians 6:13-20 13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Your body belongs to God. Your flesh and blood body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Your body will be raised up on the last day, just as Christ's own flesh and blood body was also raised up.
Paul is making it very clear that it is wrong to engage in sin with your body, especially sexual sin. And he makes it very clear that this is a sin and that we are sinning, and therefore SINNERS, when we do this.
We are not to allow our own bodies to be defiled.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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A while back you, Evangelist, raised an interesting analogy about God giving us a million dollars in a bank account. A free gift.
Today, I was listening to a Catholic Apologist who used a very similar analogy. I would like to present the basic concept to you.
Jesus died on the Cross and in doing so He deposited an unlimited amount of credit into the world's account. This credit is available to every one and is sufficient to pay our debt to sin.
This credit is unlimited, so it does not matter how much we sinned or how seriously. It is there for the asking.
Now, not everyone is saved, so not all have taken advantage of this wonderful free gift.
The Bible says we get remission for our sins through repentance and baptism. Initially, when we are born again, all past sins are forgiven. The Bible says this plainly so stop trying to make it say something different.
But, the unlimited credits are still available as we need them.
After being born again, all past debts to sin have been paid. They will never become unpaid. They are covered, paid, forgotten forever, even if we reject Jesus later.
But each time we sin after coming to Christ, we incur new debt. This is reality and the scriptures do not say otherwise. What they do say is that we can make a withdrawal from that unlimited bank account again and again, as often as we need to.
This we do by repenting of our sins and being reconciled to Christ. The Bible shows this.
The account is unlimited, but we still need to access it. If we don't access it, then it is not applied to our new debt.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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It reminds me of marriage. The marriage ceremony does not mean the marriage happened & is over & done with. Marriage is a life long thing.
Our reward in heaven is the beatific vision, if Protestants are not interested in the beatific vision now & are trying to get around it & habitual grace what are they seeking & going to be left with?
The reason you do works under grace is to be filled with God’s sanctifying grace.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Bottom line, if sin is not in your heart, you can't sin. It is impossible to sin unless sin first takes root in your heart.
As you said, no one sins by accident. You have to want to do it, and this desire comes from your heart.
The heart is the source. One's mind may come up with reasons why not, or try to rationalize a way to give in to what the heart wants. But it is the heart that sins even before the flesh responds.
We still are not perfect and we still have a fallen nature and our minds and bodies are not redeemed yet like our born again spirits , but you are right about our mind and body sins!
But I never got a straight answer from how does a born again spirit sin when it is spiritual and has nothing to do with our five sinses and our realm of the carnal world we are walking in the flesh and mind in so what up with that??
one love
I gave you a straight answer. Your body, including its five senses, is just a shell that is incapable of anything good or bad without your spirit.
Your spirit is the only thing that can sin. It sins using your body to commit sin, but your body cannot sin without your spirit animating it to sin.
Remember, the Angels which are PURE SPIRIT and completely without flesh were able to sin, so how is it that you are confused about this?
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So are you saying the angels in heaven which are there now do sin, are you saying that???
If your body is the one doing the sins with your mind , then the obvious cause or root of sinning can only be by your mind and done the action with your body!
If you are saying after the mind and body does a sin , then the spirit of Christ in us is also effected, which you are saying when we do sin Jesus is effected with that sin, and He need to get clean again and that is a straight out error and a lie from from the pits of hell!
Another words you are saying when we sin Jesus need to repent as well and need Jesus also needs to go to a catholic purgatory according to your standards!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Yes. Amen Brother.
God judges by what is in the heart, not by the external.
This is what Jesus was telling us in Matthew 5.
Under the OT, a man had to physically have sex with a woman who was not his wife (or a married woman) in order to be considered guilty of adultery.
Under the NT, if a man even looks upon another woman with lust in his heart, he is guilty of the sin of adultery and will be judged accordingly.
This is what the Bible say.
In Matthew 5, Jesus was comparing the New Covenant that was coming to the Old Covenant that was passing away.
There is a big difference between the Letter of the Law and the Spirit of the Law.
We are bound to the Spirit of the Law that is written upon our hearts. No more loopholes or excuses.
All that came before was preparation for what was to come.
Now it has come.
By ourselves it would be impossible, but with Christ, all things are possible.
wouldn't it be easy by the heart seeing things done than by the external physical trying to make something possible??
one love
I am not sure what you mean by that.
But, what you do with your mouth and body is a natural extension of what is in your heart.
If your heart is full of the Love of Christ, then good things flow forth = these are the fruits.
Fruit can be good or bad, depending upon what is in your heart.
A Christian who has embraced Jesus fully will show good fruit, even when God is the only one who sees it.
Someone who has not put on their New Man, but still clings to their Old Man, will show poor fruit.
But whether or not men can see the fruit, God goes by what is in our heart. The fruit is not possible without first originating from within.
And, those that do not produce good fruit, whether or not others can see it, will be cut down and cast into the fire. The Bible says this too.
You cannot separate your fruit from what is in your heart.
If Christ's seed is in any born again Christian, and that Christian has the fertile soil necessary for that seed to grow, then good fruit will come forth.
Read the Parable of the Sower again (Matthew 13). Not all who accept Christ will be saved. The seed must be nurtured and tended to, otherwise it whithers and dies.
So when a tree is cut off what happen to the seed or the roots??
What does that have to do with anything?
We are branches that are grafted in, and we can be cut off and tossed into the fire. If our fruit is not good, that will be burned too. Forget about talk of seeds - you are mixing your analogies - Christ seed would have departed from us before we were cut off.
Since we are not from the original root, but merely grafted in, the root remains and those that remain true to God remain grafted in.
You said and agree with me that God see the heart and that ius enough for God, so God also seen our seeds before the earth was created, and that is why He knows already who is in the book of life and who was not written in that book!
He also knows whose names will be blotted out. He knows our final destination because He is outside of time. So from His perspective, we are already damned or saved. But we still have to live out our lives. He knows whether we will endure to the end, or choose sin instead. We don't know this anymore than we know that we will continue to believe in Him. The Parable of the Sower shows this.
So when we still have that seed of Christ in us , for God that is what saved us, and redeemed us not the fruit or the tree itself but the ground which is alone on Jesus and the roots planted on the truth gospel of Christ alone!
Those other things are analogies. But yes, even what they represent is not what is saved. God saves individuals. So it matters for each individual if we remain grafted in or cut off.
It is the individual who is saved, not his works - not even his good works. Works are neither saved nor damned, they are just part of what makes us who we are.
The Gospel provides the knowledge of what we need to be saved. But it is not a magic spell, we have to actually participate or we are no better than those who say they do not believe.
That is why I ask you how can your seed or born again spirit sin???
one love
You are mixing your analogies. The seed of Christ cannot sin, but we can. And our born again spirit is the only part of us that can sin. Just as it is only the not born again spirits of others that sin.
Without your spirit, your body is just a shell.
Then in a nut shell your catholic philosophy voids these scriptures:
2Co:5:14: For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Co:5:15: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2Co:5:16: Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co:5:17: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co:5:18: And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co:5:19: To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co:5:20: Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co:5:21: For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Also tell me what is meant by a new creature!
My understanding is that it a creature which never exited before, like having a new car which can also can fly like a jet plane!
This verse is saying like in a science fiction film a human been transformed into another creature no more a human, but maybe some new monster creature like an alien, only by us we became the new creature not aS some monster or alien , but became the creature instantly as Christ Himself in our born again spirits!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
The second reading today at Mass had perfect timing for this discussion:
1 Corinthians 6:13-20 13Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Your body belongs to God. Your flesh and blood body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit. Your body will be raised up on the last day, just as Christ's own flesh and blood body was also raised up.
Paul is making it very clear that it is wrong to engage in sin with your body, especially sexual sin. And he makes it very clear that this is a sin and that we are sinning, and therefore SINNERS, when we do this.
We are not to allow our own bodies to be defiled.
The bible teaches that the sin began in your mind and you can commit that sin without your body with your mind, and that is why you need to understand what Paul wrote in Roman 12 1,2 which you avoid to the max!
There is a big reason why Pazl didn't say be renewed in your body or temple, he made it clear and to the point where the sins start from, and how to even stop it, and it not with your natural spirit!
Yes, your born again spirit never want to sin, because it is the same spirit of Christ which is always against any sins and is always holy and pure, justified, and if you can get your mind to line up with your born again spirit it would be two against one and your body lose!
The Holy Spirit is also the power to help give you the drive and force to over come any sins and anointing to break any yokes!
I know it sound to simple to believe and that is why you might have a issue with this simple good gospel of truth and of Christ!
Sorry this is not a catholic theology it is biblical!
1Jo:3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
When you understand what it means to be born of God it will stop your catholic pit stop purgatory philosophy!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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