1 John1:9 is so misunderstood by many churches
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1Jo:1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
This is sins of many plural sins and again what happen if you forget a sin or two, even sins of things we should have done and didn't??
I think this sins is the sins against those we done wrong too like stole from , unforgiveness and lack of love and anger, gave stress and etc!
We don’t have to confess sin in order to be saved, to retain, or to maintain our salvation. If I believed that was so, I would kill every person who came forward for salvation. I might go to hell, but that’s the only way they would ever get to heaven. We need to confess it, not for the purpose of becoming born again, but because our flesh gets defiled. That gives Satan a legal right to function in our flesh (Rom. 6:16).
Confessing we have sinned means we are coming back into agreement with God and out of agreement with the devil. That stops Satan from dominating us through that sin and draws the forgiveness and purity, which is already in our born-again spirits, out into our flesh.
Our born-again spirits are already eternally redeemed (Heb. 9:12). The other two-thirds, your soul and body, have also been purchased by His blood, but their redemption has not yet taken place. However, God has made provision for this as well.
Romans 8:23 reads,
“And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”
Ephesians 1:14 says,
“Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
When redemption is complete in spirit, soul, and body, we will know Him as we are known (1 Cor. 13:12). But until then, we can experience a renewed mind through His Word. And although we are waiting for the redemption of our bodies, we can receive healing while we live in our mortal bodies. God has made provision for both the soul and the body even though their redemption has not yet been made manifest.
Unfortunately, most Christians are not taking advantage of these provisions. They have not renewed their minds, and they still don’t understand that we are also redeemed from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13). The average New Testament believer is still trying to get God to respond to them based on their performance. Why? Because they don’t know that the performance covenant of the Old Testament Law is over. We are now under the New Testament ministry of grace and faith (2 Cor. 3:7-8).
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 12/05/2011 09:52:01
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So the unforgiven and unrighteous are saved?
Because 1 John 1:9 says that the purpose of confessing our sins is so that we will be forgiven and our unrighteousness cleansed.
Ergo, if we don't confess our sins we are not forgiven and remain unrighteous.
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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So the unforgiven and unrighteous are saved?
Because 1 John 1:9 says that the purpose of confessing our sins is so that we will be forgiven and our unrighteousness cleansed.
Ergo, if we don't confess our sins we are not forgiven and remain unrighteous.
We need to confess it, not for the purpose of becoming born again, but because our flesh gets defiled. That gives Satan a legal right to function in our flesh (Rom. 6:16).
Confessing we have sinned means we are coming back into agreement with God and out of agreement with the devil. That stops Satan from dominating us through that sin and draws the forgiveness and purity, which is already in our born-again spirits, out into our flesh.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
Because alot of our religion brain washing and man made tradition and philosophy are blocking the truth!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
It has confused you, HASN'T IT.
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
It has confused you, HASN'T IT.
Nope! but religion and legalism to twist scriptures does bring confusions!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
rather, why is the plain text so confusing for bible literalists and bible only folk. it seems strange but the church that gets accused of not being biblical is and always has been the more biblical. they accuse us of tradition while completely avoiding the fact that they have their own traditions too, as seen above; a clear example of man getting in the way of scripture. my take is that the catholic, and orthodox for that matter have always been up front about the teaching authority of the church, ie. sacred tradition, and so there has been no need to weasel about and manipulate the way people like evangelist does.
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so evan and g4 when is the last time you confessed your sins? just curious? i'm really interested in this because it appears that evan is saying that we must confess our sins, not to be saved, but to free us from agreeing with satan, and return us to agreeing with god. (which sounds very must like a sacramental action to me)..
if our sin does cause us to agree with satan, and not agree with god, and confessing changes that, then that is a clear act of penance.. you are doing something, confessing, that sets right the sin you were doing, in this case to god. at least one thing is clear, you have stepped beyond your counter argument of christ paying for all that on the cross and i guess we no longer have to hear evangelicals who are afraid to confess, criticize this very biblical action. it looks like you can finally start accepting that action is required on your part, even if you still have whacky ideas about born again spirits opposed to the rest of our selves.
oh and while your pouting that old canard about religion and legalisms i suggest you consider your own religion and legalisms first, because in reality it is your plank that keeps getting in the way..
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Why is the plain text of scripture so confusing for some?
rather, why is the plain text so confusing for bible literalists and bible only folk. it seems strange but the church that gets accused of not being biblical is and always has been the more biblical. they accuse us of tradition while completely avoiding the fact that they have their own traditions too, as seen above; a clear example of man getting in the way of scripture. my take is that the catholic, and orthodox for that matter have always been up front about the teaching authority of the church, ie. sacred tradition, and so there has been no need to weasel about and manipulate the way people like evangelist does.
Mike you would make a better JW than a catholic, and JW claim to believe the bible more than a final authority only they need a magictrate watch tower which in your place is your CC society!
If you would mention more truth is coming from the Holy Spirit I might believe you are making progress , but the most is directed as your church as the new catholic holy Spirit!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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so evan and g4 when is the last time you confessed your sins? just curious? i'm really interested in this because it appears that evan is saying that we must confess our sins, not to be saved, but to free us from agreeing with satan, and return us to agreeing with god. (which sounds very must like a sacramental action to me)..
if our sin does cause us to agree with satan, and not agree with god, and confessing changes that, then that is a clear act of penance.. you are doing something, confessing, that sets right the sin you were doing, in this case to god. at least one thing is clear, you have stepped beyond your counter argument of christ paying for all that on the cross and i guess we no longer have to hear evangelicals who are afraid to confess, criticize this very biblical action. it looks like you can finally start accepting that action is required on your part, even if you still have whacky ideas about born again spirits opposed to the rest of our selves.
oh and while your pouting that old canard about religion and legalisms i suggest you consider your own religion and legalisms first, because in reality it is your plank that keeps getting in the way..
Sorry but I can't name all or every single sin I did or do bad one and the right sins I should have done to be able to confess them , so I have to be more than safe by being in Christ as justified , which mean as if I never sinned, so I am free!
But when I do remember a sin or two I feel sorry I did it and say to God help me to learn not to do that again, as a son of God or a child of God which I know even in my sins before God I am still a beloved, and knowing that alone is the greatest help to stop what I did wrong or inspires me to do what I should have do like bless someone, pray for my enemies and etc!
The good news is that I don't begg God to forgive me, or even ask Him too , I know He did that 2000 years ago!
I do tell the devil get out my life and command the devil to not get me to fall to his tricks and temptations!
I tell my mind to not yeild to my flesh, and try to get my mind and body to line up with my born again nature and with the Word of God, with the power of the Holy Spirit which give me grace to over come when I let the Holy Spirit give me wisdom and anointing to over come by the acknowledgement of God love towards me!
I say I don't want to make my Father God sad again, but I know He is always my DADDY when I fall into sins good or bad ones! wwwooowww!
we can receive healing while we live in our mortal bodies. God has made provision for both the soul and the body even though their redemption has not yet been made manifest.
Unfortunately, most Christians are not taking advantage of these provisions. They have not renewed their minds, and they still don’t understand that we are also redeemed from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13). The average New Testament believer is still trying to get God to respond to them based on their performance. Why? Because they don’t know that the performance covenant of the Old Testament Law is over. We are now under the New Testament ministry of grace and faith (2 Cor. 3:7-8).
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 12/06/2011 09:12:58
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So the unforgiven and unrighteous are saved?
Because 1 John 1:9 says that the purpose of confessing our sins is so that we will be forgiven and our unrighteousness cleansed.
Ergo, if we don't confess our sins we are not forgiven and remain unrighteous.
We need to confess it, not for the purpose of becoming born again, but because our flesh gets defiled. That gives Satan a legal right to function in our flesh (Rom. 6:16).
Confessing we have sinned means we are coming back into agreement with God and out of agreement with the devil. That stops Satan from dominating us through that sin and draws the forgiveness and purity, which is already in our born-again spirits, out into our flesh.
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I never said that the ongoing need to confess meant getting born again. I have always said that we can only be born again once.
And yes, coming back in to agreement with God is a good way to put it. That is practically the definition of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. To be reconciled with God, to be in agreement or conformity to Him.
If our flesh is defiled, then we cannot go to Heaven unless we are first reconciled back to God.
If Satan has legal right to our flesh, then he owns it and will have custody of our flesh when we die.
This is why Jesus said that if our hand causes us to sin then we should cut it off because it is better to enter Heaven maimed than to go to Hell whole.
Where our body goes on Judgment Day, we go too.
Our body is the seed that will become our glorified, resurrected Body. Resurrection does not mean creating a brand new body, but resurrecting our original body and transforming that body into its eternal form.
If you need help with this concept, consider that when they went to look for Jesus in the Tomb, they could not find Him. His flesh and blood body was not there because that flesh and blood body was resurrected.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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"The good news is that I don't begg God to forgive me, or even ask Him too , I know He did that 2000 years ago!"
You do not ever get on your knees and ask God to forgive you? Really?
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Protestants made a false doctrine then later on realized scripture opposes it so then they realize their mistake & then make up something else to try to explain away the mistake.
This is just a poor atempt to try to explain away 1 John 1:9
Then Protestants will try to brainwash people by feeding them a bunch of their propaganda before they get a Catholic understanding.
Protestants want to withold a Catholic understanding from people by any means possible.
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
Edited by michael on 12/06/2011 19:31:45
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Not all Protestants. But the further we get from the Reformation, the stranger things get.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Jesus asked us to pray this: "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."
God forgives our sins. That isn't a one-time process. We must always ask for forgiveness. Unless you don't sin, of course, then it's not an issue.
"Look on the bright side, if this is the best they've got around here, in six months we'll be running this planet." (Planet of the Apes)
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