The meaning of IT IS FINISHED!
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I have heard this teaching =IT is Finished by wommack so many times that I had to give God praise and thankgiving more than ever before.I must admit while discussing the finished work of the cross and death of Jesus and saying it is finished , that Sister FAITH was correct more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 12/26/2011 08:14:35
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
No, I don't play your zero-sum game with Sacred Scripture, where one verse wins and another verse looses.
St. John wrote what he wrote to Christ's Church. St. Paul wrote what he wrote, to Christ's Church. St. Peter wrote what he wrote, to Christ's Church.
Neither exclude nor cancel out, the other.
I can mention many other scriptures to back up this one but are you saying to start off this scriptures is not true, in what it is saying about the one sin of unbelief?
i think even FAITH would correct you on this one!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Sacred Scripture is the inerrant Word of God.
It is you who uses St. John to exclude and deny the words of St. Paul.
St. John writes of one mortal sin.
St. Paul writes an entire list of sins that can kill a soul.
God the Father writes an entire list as well.
For some reason, in your theology, St. John trumps St. Paul and God the Father.
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Originally posted by bwellmysoul
Sacred Scripture is the inerrant Word of God.
It is you who uses St. John to exclude and deny the words of St. Paul.
St. John writes of one mortal sin.
St. Paul writes an entire list of sins that can kill a soul.
God the Father writes an entire list as well.
For some reason, in your theology, St. John trumps St. Paul and God the Father.
I am not asking you about a sin that in a process kills, but the one which kills and there is no return!
renouncing Jesus is the only one even over any other sin a person can do!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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No.
St. Paul was not talking about sins that in the process of either their commission or omission, kill another human being.
St. Paul was listing sins that are mortal to the soul. Unrepented of, those mortal sins exclude Christians from the Kingdom of God.
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No.
St. Paul was not talking about sins that in the process of either their commission or omission, kill another human being.
St. Paul was listing sins that are mortal to the soul. Unrepented of, those mortal sins exclude Christians from the Kingdom of God.
You do know the kingdom of God can be in you?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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The Kingdom of God begins here on Earth through the Sacraments.
It is where Divinity touches humanity.
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Do you deny St. Paul's list of sins that are mortal to the soul?
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do you know the kingdom of God can be in you?
YES OR NO!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 08/04/2012 13:25:09
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Do you realize that is what Christ gave His Church:
through the Eucharist,
through Reconciliation,
through Baptism,
through Confirmation,
through Marriage,
through the ordained Priesthood,
and through the Annointing of the Sick?
And again, do you deny St.Paul's list of sins that are mortal to the soul?
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do you know the kingdom of God is in you?
YES OR NO!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Sorry for your confusion.
But, it is understandable. The various protestantisms gutted Christ's sanctifying grace from almost every sacrament that He instituted.
Sacraments in the Catholic Church are not empty symbols.
Each Sacrament in the Church are where Christ and the Holy Spirit enter into our very being.
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Hello BS
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do you know the kingdom of God is in you?
YES OR NO!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello BS
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do you know the kingdom of God is in you?
YES OR NO!
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The Church is the kingdom, Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to Peter in Matthew 16
[17] And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Through bigotry prejudices false assumptions & false premises Protestants are protesting a catholic church made up by Protestantism that does not actually exist.
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Originally posted by michael
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Hello BS
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do you know the kingdom of God is in you?
YES OR NO!
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The Church is the kingdom, Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to Peter in Matthew 16
[17] And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
[18] And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
So michael your answer in this is a big NO?
Also do you think you can see literally the Kingdom of God now and it is visible?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist,
Christ promised our receiving of Him and His sanctifying grace through His Sacraments.
The Trinity indwells humanity in Baptism, in Eucharist (Marriage Supper of the Lamb), in Confirmation with the Holy Spirit, in Reconciliation of our sins, in Matrimony, in Holy Orders, and in the Annointing of the Sick.
All done for the conversion of sinners. His sanctifying grace - made available to "tend and feed" His lambs and sheep.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 08/14/2012 13:11:49
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