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Hello God4
i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and different interpretation of the one bible we depend on and still make the claims we all have the same Holy Spirit teaching us all truth, with no respect of person!
First question I would like to ask you G4 is why you make a claim all catholics will go to hell because they are catholic even though they believe in Jesus , the trinity, love God, and accept the blood of Jesus one time or another to wash away thier sins???
Shalom G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello G4
I was reading and meditating as I was studying 1 and 2 Peters again, and as I was reading this it reminded me of this thread and how you witness to catholic here, so I am asking you what does this mean to you please????
1Pe:3:8: Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1Pe:3:9: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1Pe:3:10: For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
1Pe:3:11: Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
Thank you so very much for your responce on this!
Shalom G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Hello God4
i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and different interpretation of the one bible we depend on and still make the claims we all have the same Holy Spirit teaching us all truth, with no respect of person!
First question I would like to ask you G4 is why you make a claim all catholics will go to hell because they are catholic even though they believe in Jesus , the trinity, love God, and accept the blood of Jesus one time or another to wash away thier sins???
Shalom G4
Why there are so many different opinions amongst Christians is, Some have an open mind and a teachable spirit while others don't.
Some are more spiritually mature and get greater revelations of the word while the less mature don't.
Som have had wrong teachings while other have had good Bible Teachers.
The only way a person can escape hell, Is by being born again the Bible way, And catholics aren't born again the Bible way.
A Person cannot have the Holy Spirit of truth in them and believe the catholic teachings.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Hello G4
I was reading and meditating as I was studying 1 and 2 Peters again, and as I was reading this it reminded me of this thread and how you witness to catholic here, so I am asking you what does this mean to you please????
1Pe:3:8: Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1Pe:3:9: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1Pe:3:10: For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
1Pe:3:11: Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
Thank you so very much for your responce on this!
Shalom G4
If Jesus was on earth today, He would come against the catholic teachings, Just like He did against the religious people in His day.
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If you want to keep Catholics out of this thread, leave us out of the discussion, and stick to Protestant issues.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
If you want to keep Catholics out of this thread, leave us out of the discussion, and stick to Protestant issues.
PLEASE NOTE the tittle of this post, "Protestants post".
No wonder you don't understand the Bible, You can't even understand plain English.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Hello God4
i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and different interpretation of the one bible we depend on and still make the claims we all have the same Holy Spirit teaching us all truth, with no respect of person!
First question I would like to ask you G4 is why you make a claim all catholics will go to hell because they are catholic even though they believe in Jesus , the trinity, love God, and accept the blood of Jesus one time or another to wash away thier sins???
Shalom G4
Why there are so many different opinions amongst Christians is, Some have an open mind and a teachable spirit while others don't.
Some are more spiritually mature and get greater revelations of the word while the less mature don't.
Som have had wrong teachings while other have had good Bible Teachers.
The only way a person can escape hell, Is by being born again the Bible way, And catholics aren't born again the Bible way.
A Person cannot have the Holy Spirit of truth in them and believe the catholic teachings.
Don't you know there are bishops and protestant teachers, and pastor who have been teaching for over 50 years stil have another teaching and doctrines, and are filled with the Holy Spirit , and believe Jesus , and teach strictly on the bible alone with the bible as their final authority??
I was with a pentecostal church and the Pastor was against me because my teaching on grace and the good gospel the bible way.
Do you think it is basically about how we interpretate the bible with our own traditions and rituals we been brain wash in to mix the bible with our own opinions and lack of true bible precepts and principles???
Most non catholic churches teach more on a hell and brime stone doctrine and use manipulation and legalism to make us have different teachings.
For instance one church teach that if you don't tithes to get money from their members they put a condemnation on their membeers like God has cursed them and even use Malichi to back up their doctrine, with out looking at the truth the book was for the OT levi priest and people of that time not us!
Even some churches make water baptism a only way to get born again and saved and if you never was water baptized by their church you are also not saved like you claim against the catholic church.
Let me start with this for now so far G4!
shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by evangelist
Hello G4
I was reading and meditating as I was studying 1 and 2 Peters again, and as I was reading this it reminded me of this thread and how you witness to catholic here, so I am asking you what does this mean to you please????
1Pe:3:8: Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1Pe:3:9: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1Pe:3:10: For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:1Pe:3:11: Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
Thank you so very much for your responce on this!
Shalom G4
If Jesus was on earth today, He would come against the catholic teachings, Just like He did against the religious people in His day.
I could see your point in some ways , but you i believe Jesus would deal with pharisess and saducesses in a loving better way and this is why i ask you to tell me what those scripture is saying in your biblical interpretaion!
So again what does those scriptures mean above in 1 peter??
thank you G4!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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If you want to keep Catholics out of this thread, leave us out of the discussion, and stick to Protestant issues.
No! we have to give our views how we feel about you between us, because my views is different G4 and I think you know that by now!
You are welcome to come and join us, and would be a help when you can add from our side how we see things, even if you don't agree!
I love every catholic, and my motive is to see us in one love and that the catholic church have the best will of God for every member and the church itself.
i don't think G4 has that same motive, but each there own and this is why I want to get understanding in the way he thinks about the CC and the loving gospel from his side as a ordain pastor as he is I am concern, and again this is why I started this post directed personally to him as a brother in the Lord who loves G4 in one love and unity in Christ Jesus as one body in HIM!
One Love FAITH!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
If you want to keep Catholics out of this thread, leave us out of the discussion, and stick to Protestant issues.
PLEASE NOTE the tittle of this post, "Protestants post".
No wonder you don't understand the Bible, You can't even understand plain English.
G4 ! we can't just restrict Catholic not to join in, because with all respect this board is a Catholic board and they have all right more than us to join in, but it would be a help if they let us get a better understand among us, and maybe also sit back and wait until we get some important questions answered between us first and then it would be a blessing for them to help join in to give some conclusion on our differences.
So what do you think about that, because this is only my view in love and respect, as we trying to be a light to this world and example of the Christ in us and we in HIM??
Shalom Pastor G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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If we don't come together as one body in Christ how can we show others and Catholics the truth, the bible way G4??
M'r:3:24: And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
M'r:3:25: And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
M'r:3:26: And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
M'r:3:27: No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
M't:12:22: Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
M't:12:23: And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
M't:12:24: But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
M't:12:25: And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
M't:12:26: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
M't:12:27: And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
M't:12:28: But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
M't:12:29: Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
M't:12:30: He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
If we don't come together as one body in Christ how can we show others and Catholics the truth, the bible way G4??
Good Question Evan. This was one of the huge problems I constantly had to cope with as a non catholic. I'm looking forward to how you guys answer it.
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Originally posted by evangelist
If we don't come together as one body in Christ how can we show others and Catholics the truth, the bible way G4??
Good Question Evan. This was one of the huge problems I constantly had to cope with as a non catholic. I'm looking forward to how you guys answer it.
Thank you Mike and I hope we get some truth from the questions and more light on satan tool and works, and spirit of division in the body of Christ!
Stay tune Mike to see all the written evidence we need!
My observation so far is a great lack of love, but I could be wrong, that is why we need so more time on this thread and I hope we all be open to the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth and understandings in one love, or we get reproved!
1Co:13:1: Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co:13:2: And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.1Co:13:3: And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co:13:4: Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,1Co:13:5: Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;1Co:13:6: Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co:13:7: Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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God4Me, I am not Protestant and nor is my Church. So I am just saying that you would have a better meeting of the minds if the two of you discussed the differences between your own theologies and not just focus on Catholics.
The one unifying doctrine that is found in all of Protestantism is the belief that the Catholic Church is wrong. So granted, that is where you have common ground, but if you stick only with that, you will never find anything more.
Christianity is in tatters. I would not step one foot outside my Catholic Church if there is no evidence of any kind of unity out there. You two have major differences in your theologies - I would like to see you resolve them.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Good thread
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Thank you Mike and I hope we get some truth from the questions and more light on satan tool and works, and spirit of division in the body of Christ!
that is my hope too.
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My observation so far is a great lack of love, but I could be wrong, that is why we need so more time on this thread and I hope we all be open to the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth and understandings in one love, or we get reproved!
to be sure a lack of love is a great part of the problem. but a far bigger problem is the traditions and beliefs of people that refuse to be led by the holy spirit into truth. this too often prevents people from being able to accept that maybe something like the ancient church was correct after all. people tend to just want to fight and argue and dish out the same old conspiracies and propaganda. the real seeker has to consider the possibility that they may in fact be mis-informed. until a person can honestly see catholicism as an option they cannot truly be open to the holy spirit. if that door is shut then all the discussion is going to be lopsided as a mere defense rather than honest inquiry.
so hopefully this is already a part of your thought process as well as G4's.
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