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Hello God4i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have never confessed to belonging to a sinner church. My Church is One, Holy and Apostolic.
I have confessed to being a sinner, but that is what the Bible tells me to do. Only an anti-Christ would tell me that I don't have to do what Christ commanded.
There is no other Church that Christ founded. Your church was not there. Neither was G4's church. The Baptists weren't there, nor the Lutherans. Just us Catholics.
Now either the Catholic Church was preserved, or Christ failed and we still need a Messiah.
So if you are not lieing by saying you confess of being a sinner, then why are you still confessing nothing worked and you are still a sinner??
peace
I am not lying. And who said nothing worked???
It always works.
When I confess my sins and repent, I am ALWAYS absolved of my sins and made perfect and righteous, just like the day I was born again.
And the more I do this, the easier it has become. I feel the Lord at work in me all the time.
Ephesians 4:11-13 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
If the saints aren't perfect, why would you think that you are?
This is a process.
You might want to read that whole chapter.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
This flesh and spirit belongs to us. You keep trying to make the flesh us and the spirit something else. Paul was not trying to save Baal, or any other demon. The spirit mentioned here is a reference to our born again spirit.
And when I confess my sins and repent I am PERFECTING HOLINESS in the fear of God. Just like Paul said.
Even if you were right and your spirit got tossed into a dark dank tomb and sealed up tight. Even you admit that your body and mind still need to be renewed. NOTHING imperfect enters Heaven, and at the Resurrection, we will be WITH our bodies, not just "perfect" spirits. If they are not perfected by then, they are NOT going to Heaven.
The only way to get your mind renewed is to DO what Paul and the others keep saying. REPENT. No repentance equals NO renewal.
It does not matter if you separate your spirit from your soul and body - all three parts go together or fall together.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I have never confessed to belonging to a sinner church. My Church is One, Holy and Apostolic.
I have confessed to being a sinner, but that is what the Bible tells me to do. Only an anti-Christ would tell me that I don't have to do what Christ commanded.
There is no other Church that Christ founded. Your church was not there. Neither was G4's church. The Baptists weren't there, nor the Lutherans. Just us Catholics.
Now either the Catholic Church was preserved, or Christ failed and we still need a Messiah.
So if you are not lieing by saying you confess of being a sinner, then why are you still confessing nothing worked and you are still a sinner??
peace
I am not lying. And who said nothing worked???
It always works.
When I confess my sins and repent, I am ALWAYS absolved of my sins and made perfect and righteous, just like the day I was born again.
And the more I do this, the easier it has become. I feel the Lord at work in me all the time.
Ephesians 4:11-13 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
If the saints aren't perfect, why would you think that you are?
This is a process.
You might want to read that whole chapter.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
This flesh and spirit belongs to us. You keep trying to make the flesh us and the spirit something else. Paul was not trying to save Baal, or any other demon. The spirit mentioned here is a reference to our born again spirit.
And when I confess my sins and repent I am PERFECTING HOLINESS in the fear of God. Just like Paul said.
Even if you were right and your spirit got tossed into a dark dank tomb and sealed up tight. Even you admit that your body and mind still need to be renewed. NOTHING imperfect enters Heaven, and at the Resurrection, we will be WITH our bodies, not just "perfect" spirits. If they are not perfected by then, they are NOT going to Heaven.
The only way to get your mind renewed is to DO what Paul and the others keep saying. REPENT. No repentance equals NO renewal.
It does not matter if you separate your spirit from your soul and body - all three parts go together or fall together.
So are all three part according to you a sinner?
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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If a person sins, the whole person is guilty.
It is possible to sin with your mind and not use your body, but the two are connected so it does not matter. But neither the body nor the mind can sin without any connection to their spirit. Their born again spirit may not actually do the sin, but it is still culpable.
Think about it. Before you were born again, if you sinned in the flesh, did your old spirit "do" anything that your new spirit does not do?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Hello BS
Don't you believe yet that the blood of Jesus is enough or does He need our help to get sins forgiven forever?
His blood is eternal and doesn't come void when you sin, as a son or daughter of Christ!
peace
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello G4
I wish you would come sometime more often to the thread I made to us :
God4me and Evangelist protestant thread, but for some reason you run from that thread and come more here and other places where you are not even invited and accepted!
I don't know why you don't want to talk to me as your spiritual brother in the Lord who is someone that is not a catholic and is unity with you as such in the Lord.
So sence you have ran off here more than where I ask you to come sometime for I can get some straight answers from you, I how I can get an answer from you here on this question even though the question doesn't really belong here.
G4 is this why you call the catholic church liars like pastor Steve does against false teachings and false doctrine at large and many of these lies are still being taught and followed by the Catholic church and the Catholics here on spero??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsITbx2J4yQ&feature=relmfu
On every one of his teaching he start off also with saying LIAR!
I just need to know is this the reason you say the CC is lieing and liars???
If that the case I will agree with you 100%, but if it out of hate , and prejudice I have to question your motive G4, and your love walk!
We should reprove and rebuke , even to the way of truth which might hurt many!
But the truth will set people and religious people free indeed!
Pastor Steve did an awesome job showing the 101 lies in the churchy today!
Shalom G4
Enjoy your blessings!
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello BS
Don't you believe yet that the blood of Jesus is enough or does He need our help to get sins forgiven forever?
His blood is eternal and doesn't come void when you sin, as a son or daughter of Christ!
peace
Christ blood is sufficient for every sin for all time, all we need to do is repent of our sins to receive forgiveness. This does not stop with being born again, it is ongoing. As often as we repent, God is quick to forgive us.
The Bible says this plain as day. Yet you keep denying it.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Hello BS
Don't you believe yet that the blood of Jesus is enough or does He need our help to get sins forgiven forever?
His blood is eternal and doesn't come void when you sin, as a son or daughter of Christ!
peace
Christ blood is sufficient for every sin for all time, all we need to do is repent of our sins to receive forgiveness. This does not stop with being born again, it is ongoing. As often as we repent, God is quick to forgive us.
The Bible says this plain as day. Yet you keep denying it.
Then why you are hoping God will do something He already done for all man kind 2000 years ago and only once?
If you know His blood is on going why are you trying to help the blood to be what it already is on going?
You admit you recieve that truth, so why you asking for another sacrafice from Jesus to get your new sins forgiven when you ask again and again??
if you believe Jesus is using another means or source to get those future sins forgiven outside the blood I can understand your plead, and begging and a hoping!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Where does it say in the Bible that all this was done 2000 years ago without any means of accessing it today?
Your absolute statement means that no one was saved after the first generation of Christians.
His death is complete, but the blood is alayw available to us. For every generation, for every nation, and for every sin.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Where does it say in the Bible that all this was done 2000 years ago without any means of accessing it today?
Your absolute statement means that no one was saved after the first generation of Christians.
His death is complete, but the blood is alayw available to us. For every generation, for every nation, and for every sin.
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YES! now you are getting close to the truth, and that is what the bible meant by saying so many times once and for ALL, meaning ALL TIMES and GENERATION! 
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Hello BS
Don't you believe yet that the blood of Jesus is enough or does He need our help to get sins forgiven forever?
His blood is eternal and doesn't come void when you sin, as a son or daughter of Christ!
peace
ET,
The Resurrected Christ instituted the Sacrament of Reconciliation with His Apostolic Church.
You need to believe that you can sin (and that all mortal sin can not and does not damn your soul) because you and all protesting denominations have no authority given to you - by Christ - to forgive sin.
Heretical man-made doctrine, established and systemized in the 1,500s, deformed the Word of God into the word of man, and this deformation continues today - and - into all future generations of the various protestisms.
Either you (and your theories developed in the 1,500s) are right.
Or, you are wrong.
Christ established One, unified Church. Not 30,000 separate and feuding denominations.
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Where does it say in the Bible that all this was done 2000 years ago without any means of accessing it today?
Your absolute statement means that no one was saved after the first generation of Christians.
His death is complete, but the blood is alayw available to us. For every generation, for every nation, and for every sin.
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YES! now you are getting close to the truth, and that is what the bible meant by saying so many times once and for ALL, meaning ALL TIMES and GENERATION!
one love
So why don't you believe that the Blood of Christ is available to us after we are born again? The Bible shows that it is.
The fact that a person can be born again almost 2000 years after Christ is proof that the blood is still available for me when I seek forgiveness for my sins, any time and every time.
And the Bible also shows conclusively that future sins are not forgiven. Repentance is the only way.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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And where ET, is it, that you are supplied His Blood?
We Catholics, receive His Blood, during Eucharist, as He instructed us to do, at His Last Supper.
We who are able, through Reconciliation with His Apostolic Church, are given His Blood and His Body.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 07/19/2012 13:45:37
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Where does it say in the Bible that all this was done 2000 years ago without any means of accessing it today?
Your absolute statement means that no one was saved after the first generation of Christians.
His death is complete, but the blood is alayw available to us. For every generation, for every nation, and for every sin.
^
YES! now you are getting close to the truth, and that is what the bible meant by saying so many times once and for ALL, meaning ALL TIMES and GENERATION!
one love
So why don't you believe that the Blood of Christ is available to us after we are born again? The Bible shows that it is.
The fact that a person can be born again almost 2000 years after Christ is proof that the blood is still available for me when I seek forgiveness for my sins, any time and every time.
And the Bible also shows conclusively that future sins are not forgiven. Repentance is the only way.
If allo future sins can't get forgiven then no one can get saved after Christ death 2000 years ago!
one love
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangeslist, read what I wrote and have been writing all along.
ALL Future sins CAN be forgiven. We just have to confess our sins and repent of them. Why is that such a difficult concept for you.
Repentance is only hard for the unbeliever because he doesn't believe there is a God to forgive him. What's your excuse?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I also find something else rather curious.
1 Corinthians 11:26-29 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Paul is writing to born again Christians. The Lord's supper was NEVER offered or given to unbelievers in the early Church. And yet, he asks those that are approaching to receive this Eucharist to examine themselves first lest they receive unworthily.
You believe that this is mere bread and grape juice. So it is even all the more curious that Paul says that born again Christians can be unworthy to receive bread and grape juice, and you somehow imagine that the Throne of God is what? Less important than this piece of bread and sip of grape juice?
Paul warns that it is possible for a born again Christian to be UNWORTHY to receive the Lord's Supper on earth and indicates that an unworthy born again Christian can be damned to Hell for this sacrilege, and "rejecting Jesus" was not even the topic of discussion for this letter. That was not what made anyone unworthy in this instance. (It would, but unbelievers don't do religious stuff anyways, so they don't bother with the Lord's Supper.)
How can a born again Christian who is unworthy to eat a piece of bread still be fit for the Kingdom of God?
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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