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Hello God4i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Please also G4 listen to this teaching on the bible only teaching about the enemies of the cross by Andrew Wommack!
It reminded me of your post against the catholics.
please listen and tell me what you think of it ok??
I k´now catholics here said and will not listen to him teach on this but i hope you will as a real christian and pastor!
Please,please,please, listen to both of these and then commit on what he teaches on this from the bible with multitude of bible scriptures to back up the cross and the gospel which alot of pastors and churches reject!
http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1073
Offense Of The Cross
Enemies Of The Cross
Shalom
You have made Andrew Wommack into what Protestants acuse the pope to be evan.
Why are you trying to go through Andrew Wommack to get to God and are so blind to the fact that you are trying to go through Andrew Wommack [a man] to get to God?
You can not believe into the bible alone & Andrew Wommack [a man] at the same time. Ether you believe into one or the other.
The fact that you are referring others to & pushing Andrew Wommack [a man] it is clear what your choice is.
Is the catholic pope a teacher like Wommack or more a mediator in sacred things??
You do know there are different gifts in the bible which many have , read 1 Corinthians!
1Co:12:1: Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Co:12:2: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1Co:12:3: Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co:12:4: Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co:12:5: And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co:12:6: And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co:12:7: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co:12:8: For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;1Co:12:9: To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;1Co:12:10: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co:12:11: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1Co:12:12: For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Andrew Wommack works in those gifts I put in red and underline in bold!
If you have those gift it is not for yourself only but to be used to help others and others to recieve from them, that is love with faith Michael!
When I am on my job I talk about my boss alot also and how he taught me to do my work, but he is not my pope!
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Scripture alone is a Protestant belief.
Scripture alone means just that, alone, not scripture + Andrew Wommack (a man)
Ether Protestants believe in their belief or not.
The more & more & more you push Andrew Wommack (a man) the more & more & more you contradict the very foundation of the Protestantism’s belief in scripture alone.
Alone means alone.
No amount of calumny & false accusations about the Pope is going to change the fact of Protestants contradicting the very foundation of their belief in scripture alone when they themselves follow men.
The Catholic Church does not believe in scripture alone but in Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, & Sacred Magisterium all working together.
The bible is like a mirror we look at everyday and use as our final authority because we can't see ourselves or our hair, the back of us, so we depend alone for ourselves on that image in the mirror!
Teachers and evangelist are like people who look at others to tell some ways how you should see yourself without an mirror to be clean!
If you don't know that you should comb your hair, wash it and maybe brush the back of your hair, you would be a bad unclean witness to others, so that is why we need mirrors or a bible.
The real translation in understanding this is a mirror type analogy which you are really saying you reject!
2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
It is saying look into the mirror for thyself and approved unto God and men, a workman that needeth not to be ashame, or unclean, rightly seeing what inside the mirror the reflection of truth!
Now in James sometimes we need help from others to make us clean and give us a better make up or hair style and this verse would fit in what I am saying, and sometime I think the catholics are believing about thier oral translation and oral beliefs is having alway someone to dress you up and study for you without a mirror!
Even after I go to a barbar shop the bnarbar at the end of cutting my hair even let me see through a mirror the back of my head in what they have cut as the final judgement so is why we have the bible as our final authority for ourselves does that make more sence to you and how it is God best way for an believer??
here the scripture to use when not using a final authority or mirror and hoping that person is not lieing:
Jas:5:14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas:5:15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas:5:16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1073
Offense Of The Cross
Enemies Of The Cross
Have you listen to this yet??
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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You are mistaken lack of love, It is for the catholic doctines and the spirit behind the people who [Should know the truth by now] AS they have been shown, But still tell the catholic lies.
You are so right about people refusing to be led by the Holy Spirit, catholic refuse to be led by the Holy Spirit, If they would let the Holy Spirit guide them, They would know how evil the catholic doctrines are.
But to be lead by the Spirit, We need an open mind and a teachable Spirit,[Which catholics don't have, The reason for that is, They aren't allowed to believe anything other then the pope's porkies.
To may Ministers don't have an open mind or a teachable spirit, So they give their own opinions.
Thats why there is so much division in their beliefs.
Catholicism isn't an option. IT SI IF YOU WAN'T TO GO TO HELL.
o.k. so your not open to the leading of the holy spirit. that is your problem. your open to the conspiracies and propaganda of men but cannot really trust god. it's no wonder your so confused. anyway this only means your discussion with evan here will be nothing more than a charade.
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You are mistaken lack of love, It is for the catholic doctines and the spirit behind the people who [Should know the truth by now] AS they have been shown, But still tell the catholic lies.
You are so right about people refusing to be led by the Holy Spirit, catholic refuse to be led by the Holy Spirit, If they would let the Holy Spirit guide them, They would know how evil the catholic doctrines are.
But to be lead by the Spirit, We need an open mind and a teachable Spirit,[Which catholics don't have, The reason for that is, They aren't allowed to believe anything other then the pope's porkies.
To may Ministers don't have an open mind or a teachable spirit, So they give their own opinions.
Thats why there is so much division in their beliefs.
Catholicism isn't an option. IT SI IF YOU WAN'T TO GO TO HELL.
o.k. so your not open to the leading of the holy spirit. that is your problem. your open to the conspiracies and propaganda of men but cannot really trust god. it's no wonder your so confused. anyway this only means your discussion with evan here will be nothing more than a charade.
We need both and the bible as the final authority which G4 accepts not catholics, and this is why I made this thread for me and him because we believe the bible and Holy Spirit and count on both not our churchy or religion or some sacred magicterium, ot sacred politic traditions!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I wish that were true, Evangelist, but you have shown on this forum that whenever the Bible does not say what you want it to say, you revert to your true "god", Andrew Wommack.
You have quoted him at length, knowing that the rest of us do not consider him to be even slightly authoritative.
You treat Andrew Wommack at a level that no Catholic has ever treated any Pope or Bishop. You treat his words as if they were inspired. They are not.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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I wish that were true, Evangelist, but you have shown on this forum that whenever the Bible does not say what you want it to say, you revert to your true "god", Andrew Wommack.
You have quoted him at length, knowing that the rest of us do not consider him to be even slightly authoritative.
You treat Andrew Wommack at a level that no Catholic has ever treated any Pope or Bishop. You treat his words as if they were inspired. They are not.
His word are not like your pope so called infallible interpretaion of the bible, but I checked and did my home work to check the scriptures to see if he is right.
I do my own researching to prove truth, and use my born again spirit to bear record of the truth!
It is like I believed my math teachers and english teachers in school, or my foreman boss on my job to tell other what they taught me and refer other to them if I need too!
I have a friend who repairs my computer when it breaks down, and many people ask me also why I refer every one I know to this guy even though there are plenty of other computer shops to go too.
My friend is really a scholar in fixing anything on a computer, and whatever the problem is he fixes it and everyone is happy.
I have seen other go to other shops and come back to them mad and angry becausethe computer doesn|t still work, and most of the time even worst.
I can use this same example for medical doctors, but I refer people better to my doctor even though he is not the best doctor in the world. but the best I use because what he says worked for me and got me better than other doctors I went too.
People today are looking for results and what works for thier lives not a good speak and someone saying just be warm and filled hope you find a way!
Jas:2:15: If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas:2:16: And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
I told you before that because of Andrew teaching I learned to recieve my healing from HIV, even though I went to hundreds of healing services, heard hundred of other teach on healings and prosperity and etc but nothing happen , no power release only more condemnation on my lack of faith or because of some sin in my life!
I found the truth and the truth made me free through Andrew Wommack ministry and that my testimony and there is many more like mine, that admit that they thank God for Andrew teachings and the way God is using him world wide reaching now millions, with signs and wonders, yes Andrew helped my unbeliefs and many others.
http://www.awmi.net/extra/healing
M'r:16:17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
M'r:16:18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
And
You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
And
You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
You heard wrong completely and it is more clearly taught on the teaching I gave you enemies of the cross please listen!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by evangelist
Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
And
You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
You heard wrong completely and it is more clearly taught on the teaching I gave you enemies of the cross please listen!
Shalom
[1]Which one do you believe,[A] or [B]
AS I said, [B] is the right one.
[2]Are you saying the scriptures that I quoted are wrong??.
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Originally posted by God4me
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Originally posted by evangelist
Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
And
You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
You heard wrong completely and it is more clearly taught on the teaching I gave you enemies of the cross please listen!
Shalom
[1]Which one do you believe,[A] or [B]
AS I said, [B] is the right one.
[2]Are you saying the scriptures that I quoted are wrong??.
NO! they are in the bible and from the bible and I would deal with them when you first show a little love and meekness by first asking my question and do what I asked on this thread and other thread about listening to the enemies of the cross!
It is full of scriptures which he quotes, or should I just copy the scriptures he says and teach on and confront them to you one at a time because he quotes and has a specially revelation and gift on scriptures, not just a head knowledge, and that is why he can out quote so many other pastors because of revelation knowledge he has on scriptures, and that is few of a kind!
So please listen to that teaching, and then I will second deal with your scriptures you posted secondly loving Pastor G4!
Use one of the fruits of the bible spirit in galatians 5 when listening to the teaching and for you and me oK?
How does good conduct relate to meekness? James 3:13; I Peter 3:15-16.
Comment: Good conduct is not meekness, but we should show the attitude of meekness in good conduct, that is, in righteousness. Works done in righteousness are done with an attitude of meekness. Synonyms for meek are "gentle," "humble," "poor" and "lowly."
7. To whom should we show meekness? Galatians 6:1; II Timothy 2:24-25; Titus 3:1-2.
Comment: We should have a meek attitude to all others regardless of our relationship with them. Even when someone is antagonistic, meek correction and teaching will assist God in leading them to repentance. For prautes, the NKJV uses "gentleness" in Galatians and "humility" in II Timothy and Titus. Both of these are qualities of meekness. Meekness is the opposite of self-assertiveness and self-interest. It is evenness of mind—neither elated nor cast down—because a truly meek person is not occupied with self at all.
The focus of true meekness is not in our outward behavior only or in our relationships to other human beings. Neither is the focus on our natural disposition. Rather, it is an inwardly developed tender-heartedness, and the performing of it is first and chiefly toward God. It is the attitude in which we accept God's will toward us as good, and thus without disputing or resisting. Since true meekness is before God, we realize He permits and uses the insults and injuries that the world or others in the church may inflict for our chastening and purification.
my source:http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/249/Meekness.htm
Remember me and Andrew wommack are not catholoics so you don't have to hate us like you do catholics, satanists,Athiest and unbelievers!
I know Jesus gave us two major commands , but we don't go to hell for disobeying them either G4!
Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by evangelist
Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
And
You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
You heard wrong completely and it is more clearly taught on the teaching I gave you enemies of the cross please listen!
Shalom
[1]Which one do you believe,[A] or [B]
AS I said, [B] is the right one.
[2]Are you saying the scriptures that I quoted are wrong??.
NO! they are in the bible and from the bible and I would deal with them when you first show a little love and meekness by first asking my question and do what I asked on this thread and other thread about listening to the enemies of the cross!
It is full of scriptures which he quotes, or should I just copy the scriptures he says and teach on and confront them to you one at a time because he quotes and has a specially revelation and gift on scriptures, not just a head knowledge, and that is why he can out quote so many other pastors because of revelation knowledge he has on scriptures, and that is few of a kind!
So please listen to that teaching, and then I will second deal with your scriptures you posted secondly loving Pastor G4!
Use one of the fruits of the bible spirit in galatians 5 when listening to the teaching and for you and me oK?
How does good conduct relate to meekness? James 3:13; I Peter 3:15-16.
Comment: Good conduct is not meekness, but we should show the attitude of meekness in good conduct, that is, in righteousness. Works done in righteousness are done with an attitude of meekness. Synonyms for meek are "gentle," "humble," "poor" and "lowly."
7. To whom should we show meekness? Galatians 6:1; II Timothy 2:24-25; Titus 3:1-2.
Comment: We should have a meek attitude to all others regardless of our relationship with them. Even when someone is antagonistic, meek correction and teaching will assist God in leading them to repentance. For prautes, the NKJV uses "gentleness" in Galatians and "humility" in II Timothy and Titus. Both of these are qualities of meekness. Meekness is the opposite of self-assertiveness and self-interest. It is evenness of mind—neither elated nor cast down—because a truly meek person is not occupied with self at all.
The focus of true meekness is not in our outward behavior only or in our relationships to other human beings. Neither is the focus on our natural disposition. Rather, it is an inwardly developed tender-heartedness, and the performing of it is first and chiefly toward God. It is the attitude in which we accept God's will toward us as good, and thus without disputing or resisting. Since true meekness is before God, we realize He permits and uses the insults and injuries that the world or others in the church may inflict for our chastening and purification.
my source:http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/249/Meekness.htm
Remember me and Andrew wommack are not catholoics so you don't have to hate us like you do catholics, satanists,Athiest and unbelievers!
I know Jesus gave us two major commands , but we don't go to hell for disobeying them either G4!
Shalom
The fruit of,"Meekness" is,
"A Spiritual force that accept God's will and lets God have His way in our lives, It is, Letting God deal with us without us disputing or resisting".
So as I believe and accept the Biblical truths, I'm not resisting God.
Those who oppose me, And the scriptures I show, oppose God.
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http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1073
Offense Of The Cross
Enemies Of The Cross
Have you listen to this yet??
G4 Shalom
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Andre Wommack and myself teach the same about grace from the same bible and from the same final authority mirror as you, and there is still a difference, even though we have the same Father Jesus and Holy Spirit which teaches us all truth, and you still say we are lieing or in error even as non catholics, so what is wrong with this picture between us in one love???
You just can't say there is an error without dealing why with scriptures to back up your philosophy and belief system of love and meekness!
This is why I ask you in love to listen to those teaching which wommack did a awesome good teaching on this backed up with so many scriptures only.
Shalom G4
[1]So what you are saying is, You can live how you want to and God will still bless you.
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You don't have to be Holy to be used by God, Because it is all down to grace.
Check out these scriptures.
[1]For the blessings.
Ps 34: 9. Ps 84: 11. Matt 6: 33. Acts 20: 32.
[2]For the Anointing.
Joshua 3: 5. Matt 17: 19--21. 2 Tim 2: 19--22. 1 Tim 4: 14--15.
[2]I do give scriptures to back up what I say, AND I DON'T TWIST THEM.
I have heard Andrew say
[A]You can live as you want and God will still use you because it is all by grace.
And I have also heard him say,
[B]It is by faith and grace.
And our Holiness puts us in a position to receive and be Anointed.
[B]Is the right one.
You heard wrong completely and it is more clearly taught on the teaching I gave you enemies of the cross please listen!
Shalom
[1]Which one do you believe,[A] or [B]
AS I said, [B] is the right one.
[2]Are you saying the scriptures that I quoted are wrong??.
NO! they are in the bible and from the bible and I would deal with them when you first show a little love and meekness by first asking my question and do what I asked on this thread and other thread about listening to the enemies of the cross!
It is full of scriptures which he quotes, or should I just copy the scriptures he says and teach on and confront them to you one at a time because he quotes and has a specially revelation and gift on scriptures, not just a head knowledge, and that is why he can out quote so many other pastors because of revelation knowledge he has on scriptures, and that is few of a kind!
So please listen to that teaching, and then I will second deal with your scriptures you posted secondly loving Pastor G4!
Use one of the fruits of the bible spirit in galatians 5 when listening to the teaching and for you and me oK?
How does good conduct relate to meekness? James 3:13; I Peter 3:15-16.
Comment: Good conduct is not meekness, but we should show the attitude of meekness in good conduct, that is, in righteousness. Works done in righteousness are done with an attitude of meekness. Synonyms for meek are "gentle," "humble," "poor" and "lowly."
7. To whom should we show meekness? Galatians 6:1; II Timothy 2:24-25; Titus 3:1-2.
Comment: We should have a meek attitude to all others regardless of our relationship with them. Even when someone is antagonistic, meek correction and teaching will assist God in leading them to repentance. For prautes, the NKJV uses "gentleness" in Galatians and "humility" in II Timothy and Titus. Both of these are qualities of meekness. Meekness is the opposite of self-assertiveness and self-interest. It is evenness of mind—neither elated nor cast down—because a truly meek person is not occupied with self at all.
The focus of true meekness is not in our outward behavior only or in our relationships to other human beings. Neither is the focus on our natural disposition. Rather, it is an inwardly developed tender-heartedness, and the performing of it is first and chiefly toward God. It is the attitude in which we accept God's will toward us as good, and thus without disputing or resisting. Since true meekness is before God, we realize He permits and uses the insults and injuries that the world or others in the church may inflict for our chastening and purification.
my source:http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BS/k/249/Meekness.htm
Remember me and Andrew wommack are not catholoics so you don't have to hate us like you do catholics, satanists,Athiest and unbelievers!
I know Jesus gave us two major commands , but we don't go to hell for disobeying them either G4!
Shalom
The fruit of,"Meekness" is,
"A Spiritual force that accept God's will and lets God have His way in our lives, It is, Letting God deal with us without us disputing or resisting".
So as I believe and accept the Biblical truths, I'm not resisting God.
Those who oppose me, And the scriptures I show, oppose God.
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Wow! What a claim! You, the mouthipece of God? I always figured you had gradiosity, but you have exceeded all expectations of even the most narcissistic person! You demand an infallibility of thought & speech that no one - no individual pope or bishop - has ever sought to claim!
You are seriously disordered, G4.
Ad Maioram Dei Gloriam
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Hello Philial
Please forgive G4 for his bad witness to catholic and to you , If I could apologize for him I would, but God will show at the end who is false and not in real love!
Again the unity secret is love netween us, and the rest will come one day!
one love Phil
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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