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Hello God4i have started this thread for really you and me and other protestant to give questions and answers in why we have some many divisions and different denominations in our churches and different understanding in the erea of the gospel which is the good news and more... I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Evangelist,
It's not my theology.
It's the theology that Christ established in His Church through His Apostles.
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G4 is this why you call the catholic church liars like pastor Steve does against false teachings and false doctrine at large??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g635Gv-XsCM
On every one of his teaching he start off also with saying LIAR!
I just need to know is this the reason you say the CC is lieing and liars???
If that the case I will agree with you 100%, but if it out of hate , and prejudice I have to question your motive G4, and your love walk!
We should reprove and rebuke , even to the way of truth which might hurt many!
But the truth will set people and religious people free indeed!
Pastor Steve did an awesome job showing the 101 lies in the churchy today!
Shalom G4
I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/21/2012 06:40:55
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Evangelist, even if every doctrine was a lie and Jesus was a myth, that would not make an evangelist a liar for preaching what he believed to be true.
To be a liar one must say something that someone knows to be false. Few Catholics, if any, say anything pertaining to Church doctrine that they believe to be false. If they believed it was false, they would not say it. And if they were sure it was a lie, they would leave the Catholic Church.
So there no basis to call a Catholic a liar unless one knew that the Catholic was deliberately intending to deceive.
I have said this about the JW leaders because I know for a fact that they made things up. I have seen the evidence on paper that proves it. I do not accuse the missionaries that come to my door of telling lies because I do not have evidence that they are in cahoots with the leaders who made stuff up.
God4Me has been constantly bearing false witness, not only by calling Catholics liar and saying that all Catholics lie, but also in some of his other claims.
Don't go looking for common ground with him. His only saving grace at this point may be that he lacks the capacity to understand what he is doing and that God may be merciful in such a case. Otherwise, his only course of action is to repent.
Admonish him and pray for him.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Evangelist, even if every doctrine was a lie and Jesus was a myth, that would not make an evangelist a liar for preaching what he believed to be true.
To be a liar one must say something that someone knows to be false. Few Catholics, if any, say anything pertaining to Church doctrine that they believe to be false. If they believed it was false, they would not say it. And if they were sure it was a lie, they would leave the Catholic Church.
So there no basis to call a Catholic a liar unless one knew that the Catholic was deliberately intending to deceive.
I have said this about the JW leaders because I know for a fact that they made things up. I have seen the evidence on paper that proves it. I do not accuse the missionaries that come to my door of telling lies because I do not have evidence that they are in cahoots with the leaders who made stuff up.
God4Me has been constantly bearing false witness, not only by calling Catholics liar and saying that all Catholics lie, but also in some of his other claims.
Don't go looking for common ground with him. His only saving grace at this point may be that he lacks the capacity to understand what he is doing and that God may be merciful in such a case. Otherwise, his only course of action is to repent.
Admonish him and pray for him.
pastor Steve is calling also other churches and pastor, teachers and religions Liars , and even his baby old thinking and philosophy he taught in lack of knowledge and truth as a liar!
Look and hear how his programm begins the first 8 seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g635Gv-XsCM
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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AWESOME FOR LIARS!
101 lies in the churches and with Faith_ at_ large!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsAyY7ccNq0&feature=relmfu
At least Pastor Steve is being honest and corrective and is walking in a meek fruit of the spirits!WWWOOOOWW
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/23/2012 05:00:21
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/23/2012 05:02:37
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Is Pastor Steve "Pope"? The Bible says that I don't need "any" man teach me. It does make it clear that there are some with authority.
And experience shows me that for every wouldbe self appointed pastor who says this or that is a lie, there are a many other would be self appointed pastors saying the opposite.
There is only one Church that is the Pillar and Ground of Truth. I don't need any pastor tickling my ears to seduce me over to the wide path.
Pax et Bonum,
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Is Pastor Steve "Pope"? The Bible says that I don't need "any" man teach me. It does make it clear that there are some with authority.
And experience shows me that for every wouldbe self appointed pastor who says this or that is a lie, there are a many other would be self appointed pastors saying the opposite.
There is only one Church that is the Pillar and Ground of Truth. I don't need any pastor tickling my ears to seduce me over to the wide path.
I was just showing how he found out the thing he was teaching was at one time false and lies and ignorance also of truth! from that link!
i think along the same bases that is why G4 is calling the catholics liars, because of thier many error even though many has a good heart and mean well like Pator steve, but are and was decieved!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Fair enough. Many have discovered that what they thought was true was not.
But when the title of one those videos is that "Lie #2: Christians are just sinners saved by Grace", it kind of makes me wonder where that "lie" came from and what he thinks is the "truth" now.
I guess I will have to watch the video to find out, but no church that I ever heard of everthought that Christians were saved by Grace apart from Christ or faith.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
Fair enough. Many have discovered that what they thought was true was not.
But when the title of one those videos is that "Lie #2: Christians are just sinners saved by Grace", it kind of makes me wonder where that "lie" came from and what he thinks is the "truth" now.
I guess I will have to watch the video to find out, but no church that I ever heard of everthought that Christians were saved by Grace apart from Christ or faith.
Amen! Also yes you need both but the straight out lie as being saved by grace with faith and still call yourself a sinner and not a most beloved of God is a drop kick in Jesus face!
thanks for taking the time to listen to that short version on what steve is teaching and revealing!
I have a whole message from him on this which is on yout tube 45 minutes but I don't think your religious spirit would allow you to listen and watch, you would need to have the fruit of the spirit to do so i think!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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This isn't the first time you have posted these. I remember them from before.
And I noticed right off that he did not call any person a LIAR, he called doctrines that he believed to be untrue to be lies. That is a huge difference between what G4 is doing and what this pastor is doing.
G4 has repeatedly said that all Catholic's lie, and frequently has called members of this forum liars.
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"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Dr. McVey has lots of videos on things he used to consider to be true and now considers to be wrong. I admire his passion, and that he does not do anything to be mean or accusative. But I find that he really does not support his position well. He makes assumptions based on a preconceived notion without accepting the plain texts of the scriptures.
It would appear that this preconceived notion is actually new for him, but I have not found what spurred this idea in him. It is almost like when Martin Luther lost his struggle with sin he came up with an "epiphany" that told him he didn't have to bother anymore. But while the epiphany was based on the scriptures passage that says that the just shall live by faith, that was the extent of it, and even the passage did not support his conclusions.
I would like to know the turning point for Dr. McVey that caused him to change his mind on so many things. Not all his "lies" are found in all churches, and some I may agree with him as not being true, but there are others that concern me.
Pax et Bonum,
Faith_at_Large
"There are some in the Church, who not only do not do what is good, but even persecute it, and hate in others what they neglect to do themselves. The sin of these men is not that of infirmity or ignorance, but deliberate willful sin." — Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 540-604)
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Originally posted by Faith_at_Large
This isn't the first time you have posted these. I remember them from before.
And I noticed right off that he did not call any person a LIAR, he called doctrines that he believed to be untrue to be lies. That is a huge difference between what G4 is doing and what this pastor is doing.
G4 has repeatedly said that all Catholic's lie, and frequently has called members of this forum liars.
This is exactly my point I WANTED TO CONFRONT G4 with and why he is attacking people instead of the spirits behind the people or the false doctrine in the CC.
the bible does say this, and i wish G4 would understand this:
Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So yes there is many demonic doctrines and teachings in the church which we should rebuke or fight against these wickedness!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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five part interview with pastor McVey I found it to be awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rPO3e0gUtU
I even have his book the grace walk . and he is a very good writter!
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I may or may not believe coming forward is a necessary condition for salvation. But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
Edited by evangelist on 06/28/2012 00:50:49
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McVey is yet another Youtube "pope".
His schtick rests on the development of half-truths.
He's found a selling technique that will guarantee him multiple books and many paying audiences in the protestant world.
Edited by bwellmysoul on 06/28/2012 07:54:02
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